Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Tony Blair Criticises Pope  
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6055696.ece

Tony Blair has publically criticised the Pope for his stance on homosexuality, saying he is out of touch with modern Catholics.

Regardless of what the Pope thinks, I find it amazing that Tony Blair converted to Catholicism only recently yet sees fit to criticise the pope in public. Seems somewhat disrespectful and silly, given that the church and the Pope's views on the matter should have been very well known to him before he joined them, not to mention the concept of Papal infallability etc.


✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
21 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1527 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
I find it amazing that Tony Blair converted to Catholicism only recently yet sees fit to criticise the pope in public

Good grief. Of course there are bound to be problems when two sets of infallibilities cross.  angel 


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1509 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
I find it amazing that Tony Blair converted to Catholicism only recently yet sees fit to criticise the pope in public

Rumour has it that when His Tonyness paid his weekly visits to the Queen to advise her on parliamentary matters (the Prime Minister of England is a servant of the Queen and not, as many people believe, the Head of State), towards the end the Queen had to wait for him and then lick his shoes.

 bouncy 

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Seems somewhat disrespectful and silly

That is Blair in a nutshell!



MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1488 times:



Quoting BCAL (Reply 3):
That is Blair in a nutshell!

It sure is, but he's not even Prime Minister anymore - it really is time he went away and stopped interfering.



✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20238 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1445 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):

Regardless of what the Pope thinks, I find it amazing that Tony Blair converted to Catholicism only recently yet sees fit to criticise the pope in public.

Heaven forbid that someone actually stand up to the Pope. If I declared myself God's gift to man, you'd all laugh at me. But when the Pope says the same thing he gets listened to.

Pope or no pope, he's got two balls, same as I do. And unlike him, I use mine. And I reserve the right to disagree most strenuously with him when he says things that cause harm. His dogmatic rejection of condoms, the most effective HIV-prevention strategy known, his dogmatic rejection of homosexuality that has hurt so many kids...

Did you know that 30% of teenage suicides are LGBT youth? If 3% of the population is LGBT then that makes LGBT kids TEN TIMES more likely to commit suicide.

Yet if the family is either accepting or celebratory of their kid's sexuality, then the risk reduces to the same as it does for a heterosexual kid.

If the Pope would like to discuss family values, then I'd like him to visit us at the Society for Adolescent Medicine. We have some concerns we'd like to address with him.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1431 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Heaven forbid that someone actually stand up to the Pope. If I declared myself God's gift to man, you'd all laugh at me. But when the Pope says the same thing he gets listened to.

Yes, but don't you think it's rather stupid becoming a Catholic late in life in full knowledge of everything involved and then start criticising?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Pope or no pope, he's got two balls, same as I do. And unlike him, I use mine. And I reserve the right to disagree most strenuously with him when he says things that cause harm. His dogmatic rejection of condoms, the most effective HIV-prevention strategy known, his dogmatic rejection of homosexuality that has hurt so many kids...

Sure, but if you converted to Catholicism and then did so then I would consider you rather foolish, as that is precisely what Mr Blair has done.



✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20238 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1431 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 5):

Yes, but don't you think it's rather stupid becoming a Catholic late in life in full knowledge of everything involved and then start criticising?

Yeah, I don't get why he converted. Except maybe to make a point.


User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1426 times:

Tony Blair Criticises Pope

Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):

That's like the pot calling the kettle black ain't it.

I'd like to hear the pope respond with 'and its not hypocritical to turn around and be the Middle East Peace envoy after you bloody well started the war..!??'


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1426 times:



Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 7):
I'd like to hear the pope respond with 'and its not hypocritical to turn around and be the Middle East Peace envoy after you bloody well started the war..!??'

Even worse, it would be like the Pope joining Mr Blair's party (if he were still in government) and then criticising him openly.



✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1419 times:



Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 7):
I'd like to hear the pope respond with 'and its not hypocritical to turn around and be the Middle East Peace envoy after you bloody well started the war..!??'

 checkmark  I think we could manage a whole thread Virgin744 on whether it was worse to do the ME peace envoy bit or to complain about infallibility. To save the trouble, I will declare it a draw in advance.:D Although for simplicity I claim some points for the infallible bit!!  angel 


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1262 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Pope or no pope, he's got two balls, same as I do. And unlike him, I use mine. And I reserve the right to disagree most strenuously with him when he says things that cause harm. His dogmatic rejection of condoms, the most effective HIV-prevention strategy known, his dogmatic rejection of homosexuality that has hurt so many kids...

It takes a catholic to understand the root of what the Pope is referring to here. I believe you are jewish and hence don't fully understand.

The Pope is, as all other Popes, trying to raise people above their base needs. To separate them from their animal needs to a more civilised existence based on love and restraint. I know how you see it, as I do sometimes. I take lots of people home and it ain't always with long term love and marriage in mind.  Wink

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 5):
Yes, but don't you think it's rather stupid becoming a Catholic late in life in full knowledge of everything involved and then start criticising?

I believe Blair did this to make himself more attractive to the catholic states of Poland, Ireland, Italy, France, Spain, Portugal etc. He wants to be president of Europe someday and doesn't want his old religion standing in the way. Being Catholic gives him a lot of kudos with many populations.

What he said to the Pope is disgraceful and I would have excommunicated him on the spot. Tony-boy's only been a Catholic for a day and knows jack all  Yeah sure


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11687 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

Blair thinks that he is God - so of course it's well within his right to criticise the Pope who is evidently beneath him.  Yeah sure


...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

Papal infallibility was only invented in the mid to late 1800s anyway, so one could argue that it isn't essential to Catholicism.


Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 757 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1241 times:



Quoting BCAL (Reply 2):
the Prime Minister of England

Oh really, what happened to Scotland, Wales and that lil place on top of Ireland? LOL


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

If he wants to critisise the Pope SO WHAT !! I dont like Mr Blair or the current Pope. If the Catholic church eliminated all the Homosexuals out of the church ie: Priests then they would loose over a quarter of their Priests.

33 years on this earth and I have seen my fair share of double life leaders and hippocrites. So called devout Catholics who are married Men , up standing figures in their communities and then going to mass on Sundays. Then they go screw around with other Men.

Its always the ones who stand up and shout about loose women and Gays that are the biggest hippocrites of all. Either that or they are so ugly that they cant get laid themselves and want to ruin it for everyone else.


User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2747 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1218 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Thread starter):
Regardless of what the Pope thinks, I find it amazing that Tony Blair converted to Catholicism only recently yet sees fit to criticise the pope in public. Seems somewhat disrespectful and silly, given that the church and the Pope's views on the matter should have been very well known to him before he joined them, not to mention the concept of Papal infallability etc.

agree with you on this

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Heaven forbid that someone actually stand up to the Pope. If I declared myself God's gift to man, you'd all laugh at me. But when the Pope says the same thing he gets listened to.

But why become one when you know the rules coming in? I understand your position on religion and the church which is why you do not belong. For you to join and then criticize would be hypocrtitical.



OMG-Obama Must Go
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 857 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

.

Didn´t Blair converted because his wife is a catholic?

Dont get me started on Der Papa Ratzinger, please...

//Mike  Angry



Airbus SAS - Love them both
User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1179 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Didn´t Blair converted because his wife is a catholic?

But they've been married for a very long time, and he only converted in the last few years.



✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1163 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 17):
But they've been married for a very long time, and he only converted in the last few years.

That's because he no longer has political aspirations, having achieved the top job in the UK. So his religious views are no longer an anchor.

Amazing how political ambitions make a person compromise on their core beliefs.



My other home is a Piper Cherokee 180C
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1156 times:



Quoting Solnabo (Reply 16):
Dont get me started on Der Papa Ratzinger, please...

LOL... I have no respect for him at all. I had alot of respect for John Paul and always watched his Easter messages on TV. This year I didnt even bother. One girl at work was always devout and went to mass and you couldnt even say a joke around her. In the last two years she has totally given up. Even brought in a Pork dinner on Good Friday. Even I had fish lol... Alot of people are becoming distant from the Catholic church and I have yet to meet one person here in Ireland that actually likes the new Pope. John Paul always gained respect here in Ireland.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 10):
catholic states of Poland, Ireland

By the way Ireland is no longer a Catholic state . That died years ago.


User currently offlineTRVYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1374 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1120 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Even brought in a Pork dinner on Good Friday.

I thought pork was forbidden for you due to your better half. Eating pork on Good Friday is not heroic, there is no hard and fast rule in Christianity. The rules are there and may sound tough, it is optional,recommended, but no one is enforcing it and shouldn't be enforced/judged by humans IMO.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27245 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1031 times:



Quoting TRVYYZ (Reply 20):
I thought pork was forbidden for you due to your better half. Eating pork on Good Friday is not heroic

Maybe you misunderstood the post. It was my collegue who took in the Pork and not me. I have not eaten Pork for over a year now. Thats not for any religious personal views , its out of respect for my partner and his religion.


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
How Will You Remember Tony Blair? posted Tue Jun 12 2007 04:23:11 by Mbj-11
Tony Blair Meets Catherine Tate! posted Wed Jun 6 2007 13:44:04 by Cumulus
Schroeder On Tony Blair posted Sun May 27 2007 01:31:23 by LHStarAlliance
Who Will Replace Tony Blair? posted Fri Apr 20 2007 16:06:20 by Ferengi80
Where Did It Go Wrong For Tony Blair? posted Tue Jan 23 2007 13:43:57 by CaptLockheed
Tony Blair Questioned By Police posted Thu Dec 14 2006 14:51:48 by BilgeRat
Tony W Blair posted Sun Sep 17 2006 12:17:04 by Braybuddy
Should Tony Blair Go Now? posted Tue Sep 5 2006 20:23:56 by 9VSPO
Question About Tony Blair posted Sat Jul 29 2006 19:40:42 by Wobbles
Tony Blair Not Get A Motorcade? posted Fri Jul 28 2006 16:31:27 by RJpieces