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The Wilkins Ice Shelf (Antarctica) Collapsing!  
User currently offlineAverageUser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

The Wilkins Ice Shelf in Antarctica has now lost the final wedge of ice that kept a large part of it from floating into the Ocean.

The general map:

The latest development:

For comparison, here's the same area in 1992:



The wedge to Charcot Island was healthy then.


More: http://www.esa.int/esaEO/SEMWZS5DHNF_index_0.html

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20204 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

It's all natural. It's all a solar cycle. Global warming is a Liberal myth.

*hums it to himself like a mantra*


User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2154 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
It's all natural. It's all a solar cycle.

Why does that sound so dumb to you? It's a legitimate possibility.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2150 times:
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Quoting A346Dude (Reply 2):
Why does that sound so dumb to you? It's a legitimate possibility.

So is Global Warming. But get one 32F day in April and some people see it as proof that Global Warming is a myth.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21495 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting A346Dude (Reply 2):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
It's all natural. It's all a solar cycle.

Why does that sound so dumb to you? It's a legitimate possibility.

So far scientists have determined that the variation in solar output can't account for the observed climate change without considering greenhouse gas emissions. That ruling is (like all scientific analysis) open for potential corrections. But the likelihood of greenhouse gases somehow turning out to be completely irrelevant and harmless after all seems exceedingly minute given the evidence to the contrary.

If we're looking at initial precursors of a large-scale collapse of the antarctic ice shields, this can get quite nasty in its consequences for all coastal nations.


User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
Quoting A346Dude (Reply 2):
Why does that sound so dumb to you? It's a legitimate possibility.

So is Global Warming. But get one 32F day in April and some people see it as proof that Global Warming is a myth

And some people think that because a chunk of Ice falls off in the Arctic or Antarctic caps that means the planet has a fever. Check out cryosphere.com and you will see that the satellites shows the Antarctic has been running above the thirty year average since they started monitoring



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2132 times:
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 5):
cryosphere.com

That some kind of water filtration website.



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2128 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
So far scientists have determined that the variation in solar output can't account for the observed climate change without considering greenhouse gas emissions

 redflag   redflag   redflag 

What observed climate change. If you are talking about temps then the observed temps have not warmed since 1998. And yes there are many scientists who do put solar output in sync with solar activity. Just like with the solar minimum that is currently going on has probably caused the temps to actulaly lower the last few years. But do not let the fact that the planet has not warmed in ten years get in the way of your global warming religion



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2125 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 6):
Quoting Windy95 (Reply 5):
cryosphere.com

That some kind of water filtration website.

Being from Illinois you should know that it is the University of Southern Illinois website.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2121 times:
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 7):
But do not let the fact that the planet has not warmed in ten years get in the way of your global warming religion

So..it not a "natural cycle"? If it was it would have kept warming up..



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 8):
Being from Illinois you should know that it is the University of Southern Illinois website.

They sell water filtration systems now? I suggest you go to the link you provided. Maybe you are wrong and misspelled it.



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg

According to today's update the Antarctic is running above normal for this time of year by almost 1,000,000 sq Km. The end is near for the antarctic  Sad



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

And the Arctic peaked out just short of it's average by a couple of hundred thousand Kilometers so right now the combined caps are running abover average with there combined total. The end is near. Head to the hills and sell your oceanfront property.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2094 times:
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 12):
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg



Quoting Windy95 (Reply 11):
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg

So it wasn't cryosphere.com !!



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2094 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 10):
They sell water filtration systems now

Speaking of water and the fear that the melting Antarctic will drown us all out.

Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

Quote:

But if there is one scientist who knows more about sea levels than anyone else in the world it is the Swedish geologist and physicist Nils-Axel Mörner, formerly chairman of the INQUA International Commission on Sea Level Change. And the uncompromising verdict of Dr Mörner, who for 35 years has been using every known scientific method to study sea levels all over the globe, is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2088 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 13):
So it wasn't cryosphere.com !!

Sorry  Smile I was shooting from the hip.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2089 times:
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 14):
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

Hey it was in the Bible. Ask Noah. It must be true.



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
Quoting Windy95 (Reply 14):
Rise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told'

Hey it was in the Bible. Ask Noah. It must be true.

God must of released a huge amount of CO2 to cause that amount of Climate change. I do not think Detroit was around at that time.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 17):
God must of released a huge amount of CO2 to cause that amount of Climate change. I do not think Detroit was around at that time.

What % of CO2 is because of cars? and what % is from other sources?

Lets see who googles faster.. 1..2..3.. go...



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User currently offlineWindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2746 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2054 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 18):
What % of CO2 is because of cars? and what % is from other sources?

Lets see who googles faster.. 1..2..3.. go...

A very small, tiny little one. And that answer without Yahoo my preferred search engine



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2054 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
It's all natural. It's all a solar cycle. Global warming is a Liberal myth.

You should be pining for a way to get that ice to CA to solve some of your water problems. Not too many years ago some middle eastern nations were tyring to cook up a way to do just that.


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2031 times:
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Quoting Windy95 (Reply 19):
A very small, tiny little one. And that answer without Yahoo my preferred search engine

Cars are they tiny bit or "other sources" are the tiny part?



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2028 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 18):
What % of CO2 is because of cars? and what % is from other sources?

Forget CO2. What about the other greenhouse gases, like methane and particularly water vapor, which are significantly larger constituents of the atmosphere.

Sorry, what am I saying? We all know that CO2 alone is the sole driver of temperature on this planet.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineAircatalonia From Spain, joined Nov 2007, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2025 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
It's all a solar cycle

A solar cycle? Well we are at a solar minimum right now. Wait until we hit the next maximum in 5 years  Wink


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6646 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
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Quoting A346Dude (Reply 22):
Sorry, what am I saying? We all know that CO2 alone is the sole driver of temperature on this planet.  

Well Windy95 seems to think so. And he blames God for it.



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25 Klaus : The Antarctic has been warming through the past century; Are you or are you No climatologist is saying that. CO2 as one of the major factors is just t
26 Windy95 : And the 3% of 0.038% of the atmosphere CO2 that we have re-admitted to the atmosphere is just so much more of a factor than the sun, wator vapor and
27 DocLightning : Because this has NEVER happened before and because the sun is actually in a cooling phase right now.
28 DXing : ? According to whom?
29 Windy95 : What has never happened before?. And the planet has been cooling the last few years along with the oceans.The ice caps being at their norms. What is
30 A346Dude : I see, so the Antarctic ice shelves have been perfectly static since the Earth formed 4.3 billion years ago until the last decade or two. Makes sense
31 FLY2HMO : While global warming is happening, the retarded myth lies in the fact that its NOT human caused, pollution has little to nothing to do with it. and i
32 Baroque : Why are you being obtuse Mt99, he obviously meant the Disney on Ice link from cryophere.com?
33 Windy95 : Care to actually debate the fact that the Artic Caps are currently at or above their average? " target=_blank>http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph...
34 Baroque : At or above their average what? The proportion of two year + ice is at record lows meaning that the proportion of one year ice is at a record percent
35 Windy95 : At or above the average since monitoring started.Do we need to go back over the last thirty plus years since the Satellites have been monitoring to s
36 Captaink : Climate change/Global Warming is real. Just because we have a very cold winter, doesn't indicate otherwise. The earths average temperature has risen s
37 Windy95 : proof. link.
38 PlymSpotter : They haven't, they have been shrinking for the last 10/11,000 years or so. The planet is still adjusting as it comes out of the last Ice Age, both ic
39 AverageUser : I come from an area where glacial rebound is very pronounced, but I was not able to find anything much in numerical values regarding Spain. What I fo
40 Post contains links Don81603 : Long before man appeared on the planet, the polar regions were tropical areas (the discovery of dinosaur fossils as evidence) and the equatorial area
41 DfwRevolution : Any good scientist knows that anomalies can occur in a data sample, but those anomalies cannot simply be ignored because they are inconvenient. In my
42 Klaus : The climate has always exhibited oscillations arount its larger trends. Thus far there is no indication that the recent trend is reversing, unfortuna
43 Post contains images PlymSpotter : My apologies if I wasted any of your time looking, the flag is not representative of my location I'm afraid (long story, but basically it got stuck a
44 Windy95 : You mean a ten year period where temps have not followed CO2 rise is not a trend Exactly what we say but in the opposite direction. Cherry picking te
45 Klaus : Well, that you are absolutely certain with no remaining doubt at all pretty much says it all. How could reality dare to interfere with absolute belief
46 DfwRevolution : Frankly, windy95 could say the same of you. You have approached every topic I have read about this subject with the same absolute confidence. As I an
47 Windy95 : Once again what reality? What spiral-ling temps? What empirical evidence? Where is the out of control storms? Where are the rising Oceans? You have y
48 Klaus : If you actually look at my posts, you will find that that is actually not the case. I have consistently explained that scientific research does not a
49 Klaus : This is not theoretical. Exxon, for instance, has officially admitted systematic funding of climate change denial propaganda and later denounced thes
50 Post contains links and images Captaink : I think everyone has seen this graph before. Well it shows that the average global temperature has been increasing steadily for the past 100 years or
51 Post contains links and images AverageUser : My grandmother lived in Vaasa which is in the "hot" 10-12 mm/yr zone above. The site of the city/town and its harbour has been changed at least once
52 PlymSpotter : Very impressive, that the sea level can change so much within living memory is interesting and worrying; a similar rate of downshift could be catastr
53 Baroque : It is. What irritates me is the kerfuffle about atolls. Atolls developed during major sea level rise and the reefs appear to be able to make about a
54 Post contains links Windy95 : Report: Antarctic Ice Growing, Not Shrinking Ice is expanding in much of Antarctica, contrary to the widespread public belief that global warming is m
55 Baroque : Actually the expectation was that an increase in temperatures would produce an increase in the rate of accretiion of ice to the shield glaciers. So fa
56 Captaink : Hence the term climate change. The biggest mistake of scientists was the use the term global warming as it was the first effect noted, now everyone i
57 PlymSpotter : Exactly, a coral is not a stationary object, and neither are beaches. One of the 'most worrying' results of climate change in the South West of Engla
58 Baroque : The sands of the Gulf should not suffer much compaction. A clean sand might run about 30% porosity and at a depth of 2 km or so should still be about
59 Klaus : As far as I'm aware the most severe problem would be an increased risk of flooding in London through the Thames being pushed back.
60 PlymSpotter : Very interesting explanation, thank you! London isn't really worried about in the South West, even though half of London seem to descend down here ea
61 Post contains links Baroque : It will also be wetter more frequently in the Norfolk broads and the chances of the Fen district getting flooded go up. The amount of land below the
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