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Apple Gets Shaken - By "Baby Shaker" App  
User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5608 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 5 months 16 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

So Apple recently placed an app in its AppStore called "Baby Shaker" where you basically shake the iPhone/iPod to get he baby to stop crying (or whatever, I haven't seen it). Since you are basically shaking to kill the baby a huge uproar occurred and Apple has since removed the app and is now in the process of apologizing to everyone for allowing it on.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/16371...ker_app_approved_then_removed.html

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Developed by Sikalosoft, Baby Shaker features a crude drawing of a baby, and the object of the game is to stop the baby from crying by shaking the iPhone until red X's appear over the baby's eyes. The description of Baby Shaker read: "On a plane, on the bus, in a theater. Babies are everywhere you don't want them to be! They're always distracting you from preparing for that big presentation at work with their incessant crying. Before Baby Shaker there was nothing you could do about it."

So this begs two questions:
1.) What are the rules for getting an app accepted that allowed this thing to be "OK" while rejecting apps that seem harmless (a recent reject was one that allowed you to send fake high denomination bills to friends that had yours or anyone's face in it
http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=25759 ).

2.) If it is "OK" to kill hookers, civilians, your own troops, kids, whole families, and anyone else in video games, why is this such a big deal? Is it just a bunch of weepy people?

Tugg


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User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 2164 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
Is it just a bunch of weepy people?

I don't think so. Yes there is a lot of tasteless crap out there, but there are limits. Once in a while we still have to say "no, that is neither humourous nor acceptable."

Baby shaking isn't funny in anyone's mind I don't think. Reminds me of the whole Louise Woodword case.



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 2148 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
to get he baby to stop crying (or whatever, I haven't seen it).

You have to shake it until it's dead. See the red crosses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F8uHBI3_HI

This game is absolutely unacceptable and I don't understand why it got the permission by Apple to be sold in their shop.

Axel



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User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21464 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 2120 times:

Utterly disgusting. There's no valid excuse for it having been admitted in the first place.

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4892 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

It's one thing for idiots to make such a game but seriously who downloads this crap?

YOWza



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
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But it's ok to steal cars and murder bystanders on video?

Why is one persons standard about homicide portrayal less important than anothers.


I'm offended...a bit horrified....but who is really surprised? Everything else has been tolerated, even encouraged. We're letting 10 year olds play violent and bloody video games that de-sensitize them to the concept of death.

I'm just surprised by the number of people taking offense.



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3083 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Forget Apple letting this one slip, who the hell would create such a game?


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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5608 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2012 times:



Quoting Offloaded (Reply 1):
Baby shaking isn't funny in anyone's mind I don't think

And killing random people is? Woo hoo! Lets create a Columbine game, I'll be Eric, you can be Dylan.....
Seriously, why is THIS not OK but everyother killing game just fine to be sold?


Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 2):
You have to shake it until it's dead. See the red crosses.

Yes, I know, that's why I posted the quote with that in it. I was trying to stay as neutral possible in my statement.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 4):
It's one thing for idiots to make such a game but seriously who downloads this crap?

 checkmark  Exactly, that's the key question.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
But it's ok to steal cars and murder bystanders on video?

Why is one persons standard about homicide portrayal less important than anothers.


I'm offended...a bit horrified....but who is really surprised? Everything else has been tolerated, even encouraged. We're letting 10 year olds play violent and bloody video games that de-sensitize them to the concept of death.

I'm just surprised by the number of people taking offense.

 checkmark 
You can also set people on fire in some of the games and watch them run around until they die. Quite entertaining, if you are into baby shaking that is....

Quote:
www.kongregate.com/games/dabontv/light-people-on-fire
You're on fire and bursting with exitement! Time to share your experience with everyone. Run around lighting people on fire and scoring points!

Tugg



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

I was expecting to see animations of blood, gore, and guts getting spilled all over. And all it does is put red x's over a DRAWING of a baby. Seriously? Whoop-de-doo

Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
Is it just a bunch of weepy people?

It's the pussification of America at it's finest.

I've seen, and played, worse, waaaay worse. And no, I don't feel inclined to go murder people in real life. Get a grip people.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1898 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 8):

Take it you've never actually seen a dead baby.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1854 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 9):
Take it you've never actually seen a dead baby.

No and that is not even remotely close to what this game is showing.


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1985 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1845 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 7):
And killing random people is? Woo hoo! Lets create a Columbine game, I'll be Eric, you can be Dylan.....
Seriously, why is THIS not OK but everyother killing game just fine to be sold?


I think it comes down to the reality of the story. With a Columbine game, (or other school shooting) people would get upset because it reminds them of the tragic stories. Lots of infants have been shaken to death too so people are a little sensitive to that.

Gang games are different people dream of living the "XXX" life style just like Van Diesel or James Bond and lets face it... If a gang member dies then so be it, it is not as sad to most people than say if a Child dies or some school children.

Do I think it is bad taste? Yes. But do I think there should be an uprage about it? No. Why the big deal? One or two people designed it, another small few approved it. It is not like the entire company is saying it is ok to shake babies to death. People need to understand that during their life they will see things that they may not like. You have to have the ability to ignore it and not getting worked up.



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User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Another thing that people worry about unnecessarily. if you don't like it don't buy it, and guaranteed that apple will remove any applications that don't sell from their store.
Apple applications don't kill real babies, they won't even convince anyone to start shaking their baby. The kind of people that shake babies to the extent of injury/death will do it regardless of any application on sale, and probably don't even own the compatible products for the offending app.

Just more crap for the bourgeois middle class to start worrying about and feigning offense to, because they have nothing in their lives worth worrying about - because they can afford food/medical care/a few other luxuries to make life nice. They feel the urge to blame everything and anything except themselves for the problems they think exist in society.

This goes firmly in the "Don't care - it makes no difference to anybody's life" category....


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21464 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1741 times:



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 12):
Another thing that people worry about unnecessarily. if you don't like it don't buy it, and guaranteed that apple will remove any applications that don't sell from their store.

You'd lose that bet. Apple even supports free applications as well as extremely specialized ones which only very few people will ever need. Not moving large numbers of copies is not among the reasons for deletion from the App Store.

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 12):
Just more crap for the bourgeois middle class to start worrying about and feigning offense to

"Feigning"? Intentionally harming children – even more so harming babies – is a strong taboo for very good reasons.

People who think that killing babies is an appropriate or even just tolerable topic for a "fun" game should probably look for therapy.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1735 times:

I have no problem with Apple removing it, it's their store and they have a reputation to maintain after all. It's probably a good thing anyways. . . pretty disturbing stuff.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1731 times:



Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
But it's ok to steal cars and murder bystanders on video?

My roommate has that game, and I have to admit that after watching it several times, I don't understand the appeal of it at all.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Some one let that one through and my bet is "that some one" is no longer in that position.

There have been about 800.000 downloads of the SDK for building apps for the iPhone and iPod touch and 35,000 apps have been rushed through the process. Some later got pulled which isn't that surprising.


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1674 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
If it is "OK" to kill hookers, civilians, your own troops, kids, whole families, and anyone else in video games, why is this such a big deal? Is it just a bunch of weepy people?

Welcome to the age of excessive political correctness, Tugg!



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1640 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
People who think that killing babies is an appropriate or even just tolerable topic for a "fun" game should probably look for therapy.

Oh really? What about those that just by seeing a pair of Xs superimposed on top of a drawing of a baby somehow picture the game as messy, grueling, disgusting and disturbing bloodbath? Where did THEY come up with those images/ideas? Is it really that hard to separate fiction from reality?

And quite frankly, I don't see how shaking a phone is any fun at all.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 17):
Welcome to the age of excessive political correctness, Tugg!

Amen brotha  bored 

Quoting Mir (Reply 15):

My roommate has that game, and I have to admit that after watching it several times, I don't understand the appeal of it at all.

Me neither. I will admit to playing much more gruesome games, but Grand Theft Auto is just retarded as a game. There's no point to it. Funny because those that I know who play it don't have an IQ to brag about either.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1627 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 18):
What about those that just by seeing a pair of Xs superimposed on top of a drawing of a baby somehow picture the game as messy, grueling, disgusting and disturbing bloodbath? Where did THEY come up with those images/ideas?

I don't think it's so much that as that the point of the game is to shake a "baby" to make it be quiet.

-Mir



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User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21464 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1620 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 18):
Oh really? What about those that just by seeing a pair of Xs superimposed on top of a drawing of a baby somehow picture the game as messy, grueling, disgusting and disturbing bloodbath? Where did THEY come up with those images/ideas? Is it really that hard to separate fiction from reality?

The obviously intended association is that babies are getting killed, and as crudely designed as that "game" is, that intention is unmistakable. And yes, it's still worlds apart from battle simulations, as disgusting as those can be on their own.


User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1599 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
People who think that killing babies is an appropriate or even just tolerable topic for a "fun" game should probably look for therapy.

I don't like it for a game so i didn't download it - it's as easy as that. Meanwhile another child dies from injuries sustained from being beaten by some complete asshole - regardless of your meaningless indignation...

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Intentionally harming children – even more so harming babies – is a strong taboo for very good reasons.

We all know full well that with or without that application violence against infants/children goes on, and that no matter what we do there'll still be Trailer park trash with mullets, wife beater singlets and membership to the NRA who think it's acceptable to throw their baby across the mobile home. And it isn't just those rednecks, there's a percentage of society that finds violence acceptable.

Taboo or not, It's a futile argument - Human beings are a species inherently capable of murder and the most vicious crimes imaginable however much you want to wrap it up in cotton wool - it's in our DNA. The Human race as we are now has been around for 130,000 years, and it's been an issue ever since. Like I say - all the indignation you like can't do anything to change that fact. We all know that deep down inside, but making a "moral stand" makes us feel better about ourselves and makes the fact it still goes on easier to stomach.


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21464 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1595 times:



Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 21):
I don't like it for a game so i didn't download it - it's as easy as that. Meanwhile another child dies from injuries sustained from being beaten by some complete asshole - regardless of your meaningless indignation...

Since my and most other people's "indignation" adds to the pressure to remove this inexcusable kind of App from the Store, it is in fact anything but "meaningless".

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 21):
Taboo or not, It's a futile argument - Human beings are a species inherently capable of murder and the most vicious crimes imaginable however much you want to wrap it up in cotton wool - it's in our DNA.

Your mistake is that you think that things which "are in our DNA" couldn't be modified in any way. That is obviously false as any organized society proves, especially societies under the rule of laws based on fundamental ethics.

That not every last transgression can be prevented is obvious. That a very large majority of transgressions can be prevented is the whole point. And banning violent excesses – especially ones against children – is most definitely worthwile. Taboos modify behaviour. And the lack of taboos has corresponding consequences – sometimes good and sometimes bad ones.

Or do you just shrug your shoulders when you see someone in need because your help still wouldn't immediately cure all the world's ills in one stroke? I'd hope not.


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