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User currently offlinePropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 604 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1535 times:

The California Highway Patrol has launched a new division called the Speeder Strike Enforcement Division in California. The SSED's goal is to combat speeders breaking the speed limit and imposing a huge fine for those exceeding the speed limit 10 miles per hour over the posted speed limit. For those of you who speed over 75mph in a 65mph freeway, your guaranteed a ticket. So be careful, because I fully support the CHP, today is Friday 04-24-09, the SSED will be launched with multiple air patrols, aircraft, and many patrol units in all parts of Southern California. This is the 7th week of the SSED unit, phase 7 launching the SSED on Fridays and ends 12a.m. Monday morning. There are several sectors involved, so slow down, because there are no warnings, not only has California invented this division, but the NHP Nevada Highway Patrol and as well as Utah, Oregon, Washington, and Arizona Highway State Troopers are adapting to the CHP SSED. You cant get away, so keep your speed no faster than 75mph. Dont think you can get away, because before you notice flashing strobes, its already too late, and before you even get a hint of a CHP vehicle anywhere, its already too late, the CHP SSED use some of the best LIDAR, and laser speed guns like never before. They are state of the art, so be aware, slow down and they will crack down for the next 72 hours and soon the state legislators will pass this law and eventually in a year or two, it will be mandated into Federal Law.

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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4435 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1483 times:
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Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
so keep your speed no faster than 75mph.

Or 85 in NV.

Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
LIDAR, and laser speed guns like never before.

A decent radar detector would help as well.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Man this is bull. It is a legit cat and mouse game on the roads. Speeding in itself is not unsafe, but being stupid about it is. If you drive too fast and cause an accident then you should have the book thrown at you, but I find it hard to believe that the state has nothing better to use their resources for than catching speeders.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1471 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
but I find it hard to believe that the state has nothing better to use their resources for than catching speeders.

Are you kidding? This is probably one of their greatest sources of income.


To be honest, I am all for it. They are called speed limits not speed suggestions. Are you really getting there any faster?


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1467 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
This is probably one of their greatest sources of income.

Oh yeah. That is the one thing that really irks me. The speed trap town. Get an interstate built through your little town and you have an instant cash cow. That's why I do whatever I can to avoid driving I170 around Lambert.

On a more basic level, do the police exist to make a profit?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
They are called speed limits not speed suggestions.

But they are set really low in many places. People know this and they speed. And if everyone else speeds, it is safer for you to speed as well.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
Are you really getting there any faster?

Going across town with a lot of stoplights not really. And I don't speed as much there. But on a three hour interstate trip you bet it does. On a 220 mile trip, going 75 vs 65 saves 24 minutes.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1433 times:



Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
The California Highway Patrol has launched a new division called the Speeder Strike Enforcement Division in California.

I googled this. Got no results, other than being redirected back to this very thread. Source?

Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
Arizona Highway State Troopers

Oh great. Just what I wanted to hear.  banghead 

I guess this explains the outrageous police presence I've seen lately. I fail to see how they are being put to good use chasing down "speeders", many of which are merely a few mph over posted, not being aggressive, using their blinkers appropriately etc.

But no, I guess chasing down child molesters, drug dealers, rapists, et al, is not important anymore.  Yeah sure

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
Are you really getting there any faster?

On long and sometimes not so long distances, yes.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
On a more basic level, do the police exist to make a profit?

Not so much, but the f'in speed cameras do, but for the private company that runs them, not for the county or state. Redflex (the largest speed cam operator based in SDL) gets paid for every speeder that goes through regardless if the court issues the fine or not.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
And if everyone else speeds, it is safer for you to speed as well.

 checkmark  Which is a very simple concept many people, even knowing in fact that it is safer, love to be stubborn about.  banghead 


User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1430 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
And if everyone else speeds, it is safer for you to speed as well.

... says the Lemming and jumps off the cliff.

A set Speed Limit is binding thing. Especially excessive speeding is not only dangerous but also a nuisance for those other drivers around (during heavy traffic).

I once got pulled over by some state trooper for doing 67 mph in a 65 mph zone. After convincing the officer that not only my car, but also my GPS had been showing 65 mph plus telling him that I had seen numerous drivers having pulled over for the last couple of miles and after some chat, I went off w/o any ticket.
-HT



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1426 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 6):
... says the Lemming and jumps off the cliff.

but the smart Lemming takes his parachute with him, or in this case, a radar detector.  Wink


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1418 times:



Quoting HT (Reply 6):
... says the Lemming and jumps off the cliff.

Study after study has shown that speed differential is more of a factor in accidents than speed as an absolute. It is a kinda funny comment coming from a German.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3772 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1399 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Study after study has shown that speed differential is more of a factor in accidents than speed as an absolute.

Which is why the state wants you and everyone else to stick to the speed limit. The fact that the speed limit is lower than the top speed of your car is because there will be other vehicles on the road that might not be able to keep up with you (campers, buses, certain trucks, etc).

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineJohns624 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1382 times:



Quoting Propilot83 (Thread starter):
soon the state legislators will pass this law and eventually in a year or two, it will be mandated into Federal Law.

Pass what law? Speeding is already illegal. Mandate WHAT into federal law? You're not making any sense. Your whole post sounds like one of those fake internet emails.


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1359 times:



Quoting Johns624 (Reply 10):
Your whole post sounds like one of those fake internet emails.

And there's no mention of SSED anywhere on a google search.  scratchchin 


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1353 times:

Enhanced enforcement of traffic laws usually has another objective. Especially on Interstates and State Hwy's.

Its a good way to excuse the pull over and check for os warrants , drugs, guns and illegal aliens. We have been having a similar campaign here in Az ... I support it 100%. I was pulled over weeks ago towing my boat ... the HPO told me I was speeding + 5 but that they are "mainly looking for drugs and so on". He did a quick search of my truck and let me go !



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9546 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

I admit I don't always stick to the speed limits but I've grown up enough to understand that it's not my God-given right.

Quoting Doona (Reply 9):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Study after study has shown that speed differential is more of a factor in accidents than speed as an absolute.

Which is why the state wants you and everyone else to stick to the speed limit

 checkmark  Where there's a speed differential, why on earth should should the finger be pointed at those obeying the law? If anyone thinks a speed limit is ridiculously slow then they have every right to complain about it. They don't, however, have the right simply to decide that it doesn't apply to them and that "everyone else is wrong". Since when was everyone else supposed to break the law just to reduce the speed differential caused by those driving faster than they're allowed to?

Quoting Johns624 (Reply 10):
Pass what law? Speeding is already illegal. Mandate WHAT into federal law?

Yes, but now those evil LEOs have actually got the nerve to try harder to enforce it. What's the world coming to?  biggrin 


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1311 times:



Quoting Doona (Reply 9):
other vehicles on the road that might not be able to keep up with you (campers, buses, certain trucks, etc).

They already have a separate speed limit in my state, but they almost never stick to it.

Quoting David L (Reply 13):
Since when was everyone else supposed to break the law just to reduce the speed differential caused by those driving faster than they're allowed to?

Because it is safer. If everyone else is already speeding when I get on the highway, what does one do. Go the speed limit and risk becoming a hood ornament, or go with the flow. Luckily cops understand this and will rarely pull over and ticket someone not driving excessively fast.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1304 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 8):
Study after study has shown that speed differential is more of a factor in accidents than speed as an absolute. It is a kinda funny comment coming from a German.

I fully agree that differences in speed are a major factor when it comes to a) accidents on oneway streets (like motorways) and b) the efficiency one can get from so-and-so many lanes.


However, when driving in Germany one expects that there will be drivers running fast (not "speeding", as this would require a speed limit be present, which OTOH is present on many streches of Germany's {i]Autobahn[/i]), whereas in the U.S. (and also in the U.K.) almost all vehicles run st the same speed (which makes driving for me much more relaxed).
-HT



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User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1302 times:



Quoting David L (Reply 13):
Since when was everyone else supposed to break the law just to reduce the speed differential caused by those driving faster than they're allowed to?



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
. If everyone else is already speeding when I get on the highway, what does one do. Go the speed limit and risk becoming a hood ornament, or go with the flow.

I think you two are talking about two entirely different scenarios:

Case I: The speed limit is 60, and all the cars on the road are traveling in the 55-65 range. You try to drive at 75-80. This seems to be what David L is imagining (correct me if I am mistaken). In this case, I think it's okay to speed but realize you're walking into a ticket. Speeding in this case often involves changing lanes frequently to dodge traffic, and may be very unsafe. Especially in a city.

Case II: The speed limit is 60, and all the cars on the road are traveling in the 75-80 range. This seems to be what BMI727 is talking about (again, feel free to correct me). In this case, I think you'd be stupid to go at the speed limit. Yeah, it may be technically illegal but you'd hold up traffic and if the road is dry, traffic is light/moderate, and things are going along swimmingly, there's no need to piss people off. Speed up.

I try to drive 9 mph over the limit, which is the maximum speed at which local police departments in Georgia cannot pull you over (or so I've heard). Of course, my speedometer isn't so accurate, so I'd bet I usually do 5-8 over the posted limit.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15841 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1294 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 16):

You about have it right. And when I speed I never do anything stupid. I don't swerve across lanes and weave between traffic. I wear my seatbelt. I rarely ever eat, drink, or talk on my phone when I am driving and never do so when I drive fast or on a crowded highway. Cops know this, and you are far less likely to get pulled over if you aren't driving like an idiot in addition to speeding.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1292 times:



Quoting N867DA (Reply 16):
it may be technically illegal

With huge emphasis on technically. Many states (I know for sure in AZ, TX and CA) have a regulation saying that the speed limit is whatever is posted, or a speed that matches the flow of traffic. And yes you can get pulled over for going too slow. Happened to a friend of mine. Traffic was doing 80mph and she was doing 55 (in a 60  Yeah sure )


User currently offlinePropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

For those of you who googled this CHP SSED, you wont find it online or anywhere else. This is supposed to be a surprise for the motorists. One of the CHP officers in charge of Rancho Cucamonga Station No. 855 notified me about it. Also what I meant about state legislators mandating this into federal law, sorry for the confusion, I meant that eventually if the program of the SSED succeeds, then state legislators and eventually the Congress will enhance the program, officers of the CHP and state troopers will get a huge raise, motorists will slow down, and once this SSED law is passed by state legislators it might not make it to Congress if half of the 50 states do not propose this type of program for there state. If 26+ states agree to the SSED, then the CBO that is the Congressional Budget Office will authorize the necessary budget proposals and funds to fund the entire program and President Obama will sign it into law. This is real guys, believe it or not..........

User currently offlineFlybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1168 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 7):
but the smart Lemming takes his parachute with him, or in this case, a radar detector

Sorry but radar detectors don't work with lasers. Laser detectors don't really work, because once they go off you've already been tagged. 2 summers ago my friend got pulled over while we were on our motorcycles. At the point the cop tagged us, my friend was going 3 mph faster than I was, and got the ticket. (I was within the cop's personal 15 mph over limit). He told us that lasers are more accurate than radar, and that detectors are useless against them. Laser jammers are illegal in CA, and that when caught you could face jail time. The cop was kinda cool, he let us play with the laser, and we were tagging cars and finding out the distances of different buildings. Basically I'm rambling, but I'm pretty sure they'll be using lasers and there's nothing you can do but slow down to not get a ticket. Argh there go my speeding days.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1161 times:



Quoting FlybaurLAX (Reply 20):

Sorry but radar detectors don't work with lasers. Laser detectors don't really work, because once they go off you've already been tagged.

I'm well aware of that. But, there's many disadvantages to laser (line of sight limitations, refraction, dull car paint reduces range, impractical to use from a moving vehicle, etc), some of which work in your favor. Still, Ka and K band radars will remain dominant for quite some time.


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9546 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1159 times:



Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
Because it is safer. If everyone else is already speeding when I get on the highway, what does one do. Go the speed limit and risk becoming a hood ornament,

Are most drivers over there seriously that bad? Do they not have the ability to avoid slamming into the back of someone driving 10 or 20 mph slower than them in the inside lane(s)? I drove a few hours a day in NJ and NY for a few weeks several years ago and never experienced anything close to that. Sure, there was a significant number speeding but it was never even close to being "dangerous" to stick near the speed limit (which, being a foreign visitor, I felt obliged to do). If people want to get past, they can use the outside lane(s). Anyone sticking to the speed limit and blocking the outside lane is guilty of blocking the lane, not of driving "dangerously" close to the speed limit. It might be annoying if you can't get past but it takes sheer incompetence to plough into the back of someone as a result.

The bottom line is that if there's a danger caused by significant speed differentials, it is 100% the fault of those breaking the speed limit and not being able to deal with what's ahead of them so it seems to me that clamping down on speeders is a no-brainer. People driving at 10mph might be an extreme nuisance but they're only a danger to people who have a lot more learning to do.

If you're driving too fast to avoid hitting a slower moving vehicle in front of you than you have no chance whatsoever of avoiding a stationary obstacle, such as a jack-knifed truck. It's pure idiocy and perhaps further driver education would be a good idea.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 16):
I try to drive 9 mph over the limit, which is the maximum speed at which local police departments in Georgia cannot pull you over (or so I've heard). Of course, my speedometer isn't so accurate, so I'd bet I usually do 5-8 over the posted limit.

 thumbsup  I tend to aim for about +10% on the speedometer, so about 5% in reality. However, if I get pulled over, I'm not going to start ranting about the "injustice" of it all and that I was actually doing the world a favour by speeding.

Quoting N867DA (Reply 16):
In this case, I think it's okay to speed but realize you're walking into a ticket.

I don't have a problem with that, It's the weak attempts to argue that it's "safer" that irk me.  Smile


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1136 times:



Quoting AGM100 (Reply 12):
Enhanced enforcement of traffic laws usually has another objective. Especially on Interstates and State Hwy's.

Its a good way to excuse the pull over and check for os warrants , drugs, guns and illegal aliens. We have been having a similar campaign here in Az ... I support it 100%. I was pulled over weeks ago towing my boat ... the HPO told me I was speeding + 5 but that they are "mainly looking for drugs and so on". He did a quick search of my truck and let me go !

I actually find this more objectionable. If you are speeding, fine, get pulled over and get fined. To pull over in order to search someones vehicle or check out who they are is just flat wrong and against everything our laws are intended for. It is essentially unreasonable to search, or to request to search, someones car just because they were speeding.

And Yes, I am a true Conservative when it comes to application of the law. Speeding? Fine, pull me over and issue me a ticket. Search me? No. Detain me get your court order and waste my and your time and find nothing and stop doing this to people. Do more to me,"punish" me, for "defying" a "request"? We gee, anyone who thinks that is OK is weak minded, people that want something for nothing and that allow these kind of things to carry on.

I just recently happened to see part of "V for Vandetta" (an overly verbose and not so successful film) and this quote caught my ear:

Quote:
And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission. How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well certainly there are those more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the ...[authorities]... He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.

Now I am not saying that the USA is anything terrible or the authorities are corrupt or bad but that we the people have a responsibility to keep ourselves honest and to use laws as they are intended and meant to be used.

OK, rant over.

Tugg



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User currently offlineSNA752 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1122 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
hey are called speed limits not speed suggestions

In California, they're suggestions. It's called the California Basic Speed Law. You can't argue it above 65 mph though (70 in some places). C.V.C. Section 22350.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 12):
I was pulled over weeks ago towing my boat ... the HPO told me I was speeding + 5 but that they are "mainly looking for drugs and so on".



Quoting Tugger (Reply 23):
Search me? No.

It is illegal for them to search you. If they have probable cause, they can search you and don't have to ask. If they do not have probable cause, they CANNOT search you without your consent. Under no circumstances will I ever let an officer search my car if he requests. I'm not trafficking illegal substances or anything, just that nothing good can come out of it. If you say 'no' - they cannot punish you for it either- that's harassment. Also important is the "plain view" rule, but that's for another day... both are 4th Amendment topics...

If you have any questions about the above mentioned topics, PM me. If I can't answer them, my law professors will be able to.



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25 Post contains links Don81603 : How NOT to get out of a speeding ticket. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn6wYa0SaFk
26 FLY2HMO : Wow that was hilarious. But even more impressive, the cop NEVER lost his temper. I'm pretty cool-headed myself, but this cop puts me to shame. They s
27 Johns624 : None of this makes any sense. Officers will get a huge raise for what? Are you saying that it's going to be a Constitutional Amendment? I believe tha
28 Post contains links Tugger : This sounds awfully similar to this old Snopes issue: http://www.snopes.com/politics/traffic/speeding.asp My guess is that there is new life for this
29 J.mo : A CHP buddy said he has not heard of it. He did say though that he has pulled over 28 speeders today. 24 of which were going 100+. He works the Inters
30 SNA752 : LOL that's awesome. Does he just write them tickets for 99 or does he impound their cars? AFAIK in CA, if you are driving 100+, you are subject to ge
31 Lincoln : +1 for the "incoherent/makes no sense/lacks enough detail to be verified/no CA LEO I've talked to has heard of it/think it's a bad attempt at an urban
32 J.mo : He said it depends. I guess he has some leeway. JM
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