Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 835 times:
Fellow Non-Ave Members;
As you all know, the rhetoric concerning the current nightmare that is threatening to blow up the Middle East has reached ridiculous proportions. I say that, fully aware that I have been a participant in this rhetoric. We are all well aware where each of us stands on this tragedy, and many of us, in a great state of emotion, have gone overboard sometimes-myself included-in expressing our strongly held beliefs on this issue.
A lot of you may think of me what you will, but as I've said before, I think I am an honorable person, and I think the majority of you-no matter where you stand on this divisive issue-are honorable as well. Therefore, I am proposing an immediate "Cease-fire," and an immediate moratorium on this explosive issue, for an indefinite period of time. If you feel you MUST post on this issue, so be it. But I'm asking that all of us, if we can, try to take the level of animosity down a few notches on the forum.
For those of us who are at absolutely diametrically opposed positions on this issue, and even on others, maybe it's a good idea if we simply ignore each other for a while, or try to find subjects less divisive that we can maybe find some common interest of common ground on.
This doesn't mean that we can never revisit this subject, but right now, with the whole Middle East on the verge of catastrophe, it does us little good to vent, when none of us can do a whole hell of a lot about it. Let's let that parties try to settle the issues. I hope to God they can, or else, it could turn 100 times worse.
No name calling on this post; no finger-pointing. Just an earnest and sincere effort to help calm things down a bit. I beseech all those who agree with me on this issue, and all those who don't, to join me in this effort. I have forwarded my thoughts to Johan, and I look forward to hearing your replies. Peace. Alpha 1
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6203 posts, RR: 43 Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 786 times:
I agree. The name calling has gone too far. Both "sides" of this issue, and many others, fail to understand that a coin has two sides. Neither is the only correct one.
What is it with all the "is there a possibilty airline X will.." threads? The answer it'll is possible.
Qatar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 755 times:
I agree with you Alpha 1, I have contacted Johan recently on the same subject. I think this has gone to far with both sides trying to prove they are right and the other is wrong, at the end the discussion turns into a discussion of hate/religion/race etc. and both sides are to blame for this.
A 'Cease-Fire' is an excellent sollution. And the members who stick to this 'Cease-Fire' will show that they are mature and honorable members.
Overlord From Portugal, joined Jul 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 730 times:
I don't post on here as much as you guys, but I also think this is a good idea. Obviously, a few voices of intolerance haven't gotten the word, so maybe by putting this thread back on the top for a few minutes, some people-EmriatesLover, Scotty, ADG-will get a clue.
Now, why doesn't every one just shut up about this subject for a few months?????
Stratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1011 posts, RR: 6 Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 647 times:
Ok guys, here is my opinion on that matter:
I think the non-av forum is at a crucial point just as the ME and the world is.
It is true that emotions are getting high and therefore name calling ocurred quite frequently. Also we all know that most likely we cannot change the situation (at least not by argueing on here).
As much as I´d like to see a cease-fire, on here and in all ongoing conflicts in the world, I do not think it would be all for the best.
Frankly, by doing so we all would finally admit that even we fail to find enough common ground on which a solution could be based. And bear in mind that we are a quite small number of people.
After all, these forums are for talking and debating. ALL we do on here is talking and debating about topics that bear a certain kind of interest to us. We do not have to participate if we do not want to or do not feel like it.
If you think that a voluntarily ban on a topic which is happening before our eyes and highly crucial to a number of people in first place and could become important to all of us later (terror, gas prices, ...) is the right thing, I will respect your decision, but I do not promise that I will stay away from posting anything related to the ME.
But since I probably will not have the time to post much in the next few days...
Alpha1, even though we have clashed a number of times due to our very diverse views I do appreciate your move but I can´t help but feeling it´s a little like closing ones eys in face of a problem.
I know that giving in can be a very wise decision but here we are not giving in to each other but we do let the problem win.
Jessman From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1506 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 646 times:
I have not yet posted a topic on this subject; and I have no plans to do so. I will, on the other hand, reply to already posted topics if I so please. On a related note I find it mildly amusing that the flaming has already started in this thread. Just like in Israel, as soon as a ceasefire is proposed some idiot has to go and kill someone . I wonder who will be the first deletion (suicide bomber, if you will ) from here on out.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20859 posts, RR: 55 Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 633 times:
The topic surely can´t be avoided entirely. But how about the challenge of not dragging the bloodshed in here?
Everybody knows there are different opinions on the matter, coming from different backgrounds and experiences. A minimal amount of consideration and respect would help a lot in keeping it civil, even if the topic is as sad and as controversial as this one.
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7791 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 631 times:
As far as i'm concerned, i think alpha 1's idea is a great one. If we all agree to stop the flame wars regarding political/religious posts, then why can't we improve the quality of the non-av forum?
ADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 608 times:
Overlord,
some people-EmriatesLover, Scotty, ADG-will get a clue.
I suspect this is what Alpha1 was referring to when he spoke about name calling. You have of course named only people on "one side" of the issue which infers that we are in the wrong. Unfortunately, it would appear that his words were lost on you.
Interesting that 777236ER wants to keep fanning the flames.
and you think you are not? Your post was far more inflamatory than 777's although I disagree with what he said.
I agree with Alpha1 and have on a number of occasions suggested that this topic it to emotional to be discussed here, I have made a point of not starting discussions on this topic (apart from one a very long time ago). And whilst I will respond to others if I feel the situation warrants it, generally when invited to do so by someone mentioning my name.... I will not start any threads.
I think if the few that actually start the threads stop doing so, the whole furor will die down. A suggestion: If you MUST post, lets just have one thread at a time?
Jaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 604 times:
I never reply to threads involving Israeli, Palestinian or any other thread that could cause a lot of trouble and arguments. It's best if these threads weren't around.
Jaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 601 times:
Saddam Hussein Will Go!
Saddam Ups Cash To Families Of Suicide Bombers
The Palastinians Terrorists Using Churches To Hide
Does Paletine Exist? What Is Israel?
Israel Ignores Bush Demands
My Solution To The Middle East
Bush's Opinions Of Arafat
Israeli Troops Fire Tear Gas At Blind Children
Those are the topics that need to stop I think. Johan has put at the top of the forum: Use extreme caution with political/religious topics.
Those topics are all political and the amount of those needs to go down if the forum is going to become a nice place once again. Why don't we leave the discussing to all these threads have to go, but there are to many, and threads like 'My Solution To The Middle East' are not going to get anyone anywhere.
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