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F1 2009: Spanish Grand Prix!  
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
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Thought these couple of quotes from "Chairman" Bernie would be an interesting way to kick off the new thread.....

Quote:
Speaking to The Times newspaper, Ecclestone said he won't let Mosley "destroy" Ferrari.

"I won't let it happen," Ecclestone told the newspaper.

I especially liked this part...

Quote:
"The trouble with Luca is that you shouldn't let Max ever be in a position where he can start a debate or an argument. He's reasonably clever and you won't win.

"Even if you do win, it's like you being in the audience and me being there with the microphone. You say something smart and I don't give you the microphone --- it's as easy as that."

More on the cars and drivers soon!!

Cheers


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

One could construe the chairman's comments as proof that Ferrari receive special assistance.  stirthepot 

User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3083 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Thread starter):

I can't wait to see these two clowns out of the picture.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineRockson From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3044 times:

This will be my first live grand prix. Having followed Formula One for twelve years or so, I'm really excited about this!

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

I have just checked the weather for Barcelona this weekend, and according to weather.com there is a 60% chance for rain on both Saturday and Sunday!


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3003 times:



Quoting Rockson (Reply 3):
This will be my first live grand prix. Having followed Formula One for twelve years or so, I'm really excited about this!

Don't forget your ear plugs.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2989 times:
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While bitching about Max & Bernie, did anyone notice this B__S___ has been quietly written back into the 2010 Sporting regs....

Quote:
6.1 The Formula One World Championship driver's title will be awarded to the driver who has been classified first in the greatest number of races..

I am sure there is an agenda here to destroy F1

Cheers



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2988 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
Don't forget your ear plugs.

You pu$$y! Big grin

Serious though,
a friend of mine was in the US watching a CART race, and he thought before the race that he doesn't need any ear plugs. He want to hear the sound while he has the chance to.

He was standing on a bridge (Laguna Seca) and he saw the cars coming, and then BANG!!!!!! when they passed under him. He went and got ear plugs and left them in his ears for the rest of the race.  Wink

One day I hope to experience the sound myself.

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2978 times:

Quoting Sudden (Reply 7):
a friend of mine was in the US watching a CART race, and he thought before the race that he doesn't need any ear plugs. He want to hear the sound while he has the chance to.

I've been to 4 F1 races, 1 Champcar race and I go every year to Le Mans.

I heard some cars like the Mazda 787B that has the most high-pitched sound you could ever hear.

I heard F1's V10s and V12s in the 1990s. They are astonishingly loud.

But I've never had any ear protection. It's so good to ear these engines!!! After the race, my ears are whistling, but I don't really mind. It's not that I go every week-end to a F1 race. If I were working in a F1 team, I would of course wear ear plugs because you would really end up deaf.

[Edited 2009-05-06 05:01:08]


"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2975 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
One could construe the chairman's comments as proof that Ferrari receive special assistance. stirthepot

And/or that one or other had tried to destroy other teams???  stirthepot   stirthepot 


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2968 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 6):
While bitching about Max & Bernie, did anyone notice this B__S___ has been quietly written back into the 2010 Sporting regs....

It was always on the cards for 2010. It was only given a reprieve in 2009 because the teams kicked up a stink about it for this year as it was dropped on them at the last minute and they weren't consulted about it.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2966 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 10):
the teams kicked up a stink about it

And apparently still are, it is one of the agenda items at a FOTA meeting in London today.

Cheers



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/75074

Mosely's son found dead in his home.

Treated as Non Suspicious.

RIP.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2947 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
Mosely's son found dead in his home.

May he rest in peace.



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2946 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):

I've been to 4 F1 races, 1 Champcar race and I go every year to Le Mans.

I heard some cars like the Mazda 787B that has the most high-pitched sound you could ever hear.

I heard F1's V10s and V12s in the 1990s. They are astonishingly loud.

But I've never had any ear protection. It's so good to ear these engines!!! After the race, my ears are whistling, but I don't really mind. It's not that I go every week-end to a F1 race. If I were working in a F1 team, I would of course wear ear plugs because you would really end up deaf.

I've also been to every sort of racing event you can imagine, from IRL to CART back in the day to ALMS to F1 to stock cars, and I've also never used ear plugs. Maybe I'll have reduced hearing when I'm older, but for now it's important that I get the full visceral experience of the cars because sound is such an important part of it. Graham, you've probably noticed that the ACO has implemented reduced noise restrictions on the Le Mans cars, which is a huge shame because when I was at Sebring for the 12 hours the cars which used to sound so good are now nearly silenced, like the Acura LMP2 car.

As for the loudest thing I've ever heard on a track- 3 moments come to mind. The most painful moment was at Sebring in 1999. I was there for my first 12 hours, and there was a car entered called a Mazda-Kudzu DLY. It had a 4 rotor, normally aspirated Mazda engine similar to the 787B which won Le Mans in 1991. It had the highest pitch and sharpest engine note I've heard before or since, and standing right on the fence at the pit out with the Mazda accelerating hard about 10 feet away from me made me think my ears were going to bleed, literally. It was actually painful.
The second experience was at an FIA GT race at Homestead in 1998. Entered in that race was a Panoz GTR coupe, with a thumping Ford-based V8 engine. The car had more bass thump than noise, but when it would come past, you'd feel the vibration in your body. It felt like you were being shaken to pieces by the blasting noise of that thing, it was very cool.
Finally, during one of my trips to Montreal for the F1 race over the last 10 years I walked along the back straight until I got to the point just beyond the walkover bridge right before they start braking for the chicane that brings them onto the front straight. Leaning against the fence there and having the cars come past at about 200 mph, THAT was loud. This was also during the V10 era, I think in 2004, so the cars were revving to about 20,000 RPM with free flowing V10s. No choice but to plug up my ears with my fingers and enjoy the show.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2942 times:



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 14):
Graham, you've probably noticed that the ACO has implemented reduced noise restrictions on the Le Mans cars,

Yes, I heard of it. The sound should not exceed 112 dbA when measured 15 meters/yards from the track.

This is because more and more houses are being built around the track and the noise is getting annoying for the residents.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 14):
nd standing right on the fence at the pit out with the Mazda accelerating hard about 10 feet away from me made me think my ears were going to bleed, literally. It was actually painful.

I had the same feeling when hearing the Mazda 787B in 1991. It was truly amazing.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 14):
The car had more bass thump than noise, but when it would come past, you'd feel the vibration in your body.

Same here! I had this strange feeling in Le Mans when the Panoz was passing on the straight line from the Dunlop chicane to the Tertre Rouge chicane. I could feel my guts vibrating! Amazing!



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2903 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 15):
This is because more and more houses are being built around the track and the noise is getting annoying for the residents.

This is just like people who buy or build houses next to existing airports and then complain about the noise!


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2892 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 16):
This is just like people who buy or build houses next to existing airports and then complain about the noise!

Exactly. They know, when buying or building a house, that they will be bothered by the noise. So either they accept it and don't complain or they find an accomodation somewhere else.



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2880 times:

Ferrari, as well as other teams, have brought significant updates to Spain. That's not really any news,
but that Kimi's car has been going through a diet programme is new though
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9308.html

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17056 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

They dont expect any rain now: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9307.html


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2852 times:



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
One could construe the chairman's comments as proof that Ferrari receive special assistance.

No, he only rightfully sees that if Ferrari leaves, F1 is virtually dead.

Quoting Sudden (Reply 18):
Ferrari, as well as other teams, have brought significant updates to Spain. That's not really any news,
but that Kimi's car has been going through a diet programme is new though

If Ferrari would be competitive before mid-season again, that would be a major surprise though.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

I will be at the Monaco GP of course but dammit the tickets are not cheap, at least not the good seats not even on the Saturday. I will probably end up on the Rocher with my folding chair, my umbrella and my picnic. I know where the best views are but have to get there early.

I am not too crazy about the Spanish Grand Prix but I hope both my McLaren drivers will do well.  airplane 

I will leave it for Hammy to win in Monaco.  cheerful   angel   cheerful 



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User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2841 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
I am not too crazy about the Spanish Grand Prix

Me neither. I don't like the track.

Quoting NA (Reply 20):
If Ferrari would be competitive before mid-season again, that would be a major surprise though

I second that, but Ferrari have the $$$ and the staff, so who knows what will happen. But to catch up with Brawn will be a tough task.

I really hope Buemi will do good again. He has outpaced his experienced team mate by far. I think he should get more credit and exposure then he gets cause the focus is mainly on Brawn/Button/Barichello. They deserve it, but still, Buemi has done great so far!

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2720 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2834 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):
But I've never had any ear protection. It's so good to ear these engines!!! After the race, my ears are whistling, but I don't really mind.



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 14):
Maybe I'll have reduced hearing when I'm older, but for now it's important that I get the full visceral experience of the cars because sound is such an important part of it.

"Eh... speak up please, I can't hear you."

Get used to saying that, because I can tell you from experience that you WILL damage your hearing and later in life you'll wish you hadn't. I used to freelance (photography) for Autosport and spent many weekends photographing at North American race tracks. From F1 to Indy, Cart, NASCAR and even IHRA drags. The sound is indeed a rush, but I learned too late that it has a price.

Please, use either ear plugs or even better, acoustic headphones to attenuate the sound to non-damaging levels.

But enjoy the racing, no matter what.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2820 times:



Quoting Photopilot (Reply 23):
"Eh... speak up please, I can't hear you."

Quite. Obviously some folk around here have never used a two stroke chain saw! I wish I had paid more attention to the racket when young, but ear muffs on a hot day seemed so inconvenient. Now if only I could see a bit better, what was that the Pope said?


25 Sudden : As much as I feel for you, you really made me laugh. Chain saw vs race cars, tough call! I have had surgery to both my ears as I didn't use ear plugs
26 Baroque : Oh well effect as intended. Tell you what though, now we have electric chain saws, they are so much quieter and intensely satisfying to use. If your
27 MadameConcorde : There must be a P2P channel. If anybody knows of one I am interested too. If I find anything I will post it. I want Hammy to win in Spain. I must be
28 Sudden : My red cars!? Hm, for all I care they can borrow your electrical chain saw and cut them to pieces. May be an idea for a movie "The Ferrari Chain Saw
29 Baroque : I suppose a chain saw would go quite well on CFRP, just as long as the "P" does not melt. The CF bit might even act as a lubricant!! You bring one ro
30 MadameConcorde : Please explain me what KERS does. Thanks a lot. Ferrari and McLaren are using it this weekend. Cannot find a P2P channel to watch the free trials live
31 Post contains links Sudden : http://www.inthenews.co.uk/sports/sp...%80%93-kers-explained-$1284913.htm There you go. Also watch the video! Aim for the sky! Sudden
32 MadameConcorde : Great find. Thank you. I looked at it and watched the video. Congrats to the engineers for developing such sophisticated new techniques. Why are only
33 Post contains links Bill142 : You shouldn't have attached an exhaust that was going to be so loud to that rotary engine. try www.rojadirecta.com
34 Post contains links MadameConcorde : " target=_blank>www.rojadirecta.com Thanks a lot for this! I am watching. It works very well. http://www.rojadirecta.com/canal/sporttv_13.htm Good pi
35 Sudden : Well, it has turned out that KERS is another fars made by FIA, and the advantage of using it is not that big. You will have an extra 40 kg of weight.
36 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Thank you for explaining. There is no point that they have it if it puts extra waight on the cars without being really making much improvement. Maybe
37 Bill142 : But somehow the FIA deems it worthy as it supposedly improves the show. I can see how the whole idea of KERS and the resulting push to pass type effe
38 MadameConcorde : Hammy did not push too much this morning. I hope he will do better. Maybe he just wanted to study the track and take an easy ride. I do not think this
39 Bill142 : Practice isn't about seeing who can set the fastest time. It's about comparing your car against the track, and finding the optimum set up to suit it.
40 StealthZ : KERS can be used to improve the show in a "push to pass" scenario but was primarily promoted so F1 could be seen as developing new technologies, this
41 GrahamHill : Same for me. As I said, I don't go every week-end to races. Since I live in Ireland, I go only once a year, and that's Le Mans. You say that you spen
42 MadameConcorde : Yes please use earplugs. I like being as close to the track as possible and it gets unbearable at times. I love going to races but I would not wreck
43 GrahamHill : At the moment, I'm going only to Le Mans and to be honest with you, I am not bothered at all by diesel-powered cars . They are so silent that you can
44 Post contains links MadameConcorde : I have been to Le Mans heaps off times in the old days when I was in High School. I would not even have thought about ear plugs back then. F1 is diffe
45 Sudden : Which was used in F1 as well to allow more RPM during a pass for ex. A boost button basically. Aim for the sky! Sudden
46 GrahamHill : That's true. I've been to Spa in 1997 and I was at the Bus Stop Chicane, so quite close to the track. It was terribly loud!
47 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Second session is live right now http://www.rojadirecta.com/canal/sporttv_13.htm
48 Post contains links B747forever : First practice results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/808/6623/
49 MadameConcorde : Now that the practice is over I am free to go with my day. More tomorrow. I will be watching. I like Kazuki Nakajima. He is getting better with each r
50 NA : 2nd practice results: both the ugly Williams in front, then the ugly Renault of Alonso ahead of the ugly anonymous Barichello car. Yawn. Pretty ugly r
51 GrahamHill : What an ugly day!
52 Sudden : Let me add that I find you all very ugly as well. Aim for the sky! Ugly Sudden
53 NA : Come on, don´t be so ugly!
54 Post contains links BlueElephant : Hamilton has commented that he doesn't think McLaren has made any progress...But something interesting caught my eye... http://www.planetf1.com/story/
55 Post contains links B747forever : Second practice results: http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/808/6624/
56 Bill142 : Maybe Heikki can see the potential rather than the straight off effect.
57 StealthZ : It would not be the first time that improvements in a car have brought two drivers closer together rather than make the faster driver even faster. Th
58 Bill142 : or HK really is the better driver.
59 StealthZ : Perhaps not!
60 MadameConcorde : I do not see that the McLarrens are as good as last year. Hammy and Heikki are trying hard but somehow the cars are not responding. I would be curious
61 Sudden : LOL! Now you will make lots of friends. LH only has experience with driving a competitive car in F1, so to now have to face the fact that he is not d
62 Post contains links MadameConcorde : This is the direct link for this morning's practice. Comments in Portuguese. http://www.rojadirecta.com/justin/sixhdtv
63 Na : Wow, what a change: third practice sees both Ferraris in front, Massa ahead of Raikkönen. Only Button comes near. The McLarens are doing ok, but the
64 Boeing74741R : Seconded. I wonder how he would feel if he was driving a Force India car, would he be moaning then?
65 MadameConcorde : I was happy to see the "old guys" with the "old cars" pushing up front. Hammy did not do so bad, the same with Heikki. I look forward to seeing the q
66 Sudden : Who do you miss the most, the friend or the cable TV? Aim for the sky! Sudden
67 MadameConcorde : I will be fine as long as I find a link on the web to watch the events not counting Monaco. Go Hammmy!!!!
68 Sudden : Ferrari did it again with Raikkönen this time! Didn't they learn anything when keeping Massa in the pits? Aim for the sky! Sudden
69 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I have no way of watching the qualifying. All the internet channels are locked or broadcasting football. Very frustrating.   This is working now but
70 Bill142 : Button snags pole. Vettel 2nd, Barichello 3rd. More to come.
71 MadameConcorde : Hammy 14 and Heikki 18. Talk about a race for McLaren.... I have no idea why they finished so far away in the back... mooo...
72 Baroque : If they are still like this for Monaco, do you and Sudden want me to come over and "assist" them with my (electric - don't want too much noise do we?
73 Sudden : Seeing where Massa ended up, it looks like you have already been cutting off some pieces from his car = lighter. Aim for the sky! Sudden
74 MadameConcorde : I think you came up with a good idea. I will have to take my own chain saw to the GP. Chain saw the cars... not the drivers! If the McLarens don't do
75 Post contains links B747forever : I am really happy to see Massa up in 4th, but I hope he isnt on a too light load at the start. Here is what the field will look like tomorrow: http://
76 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : 14 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:20.991 1:20.805 12 15 12 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:21.033 1:21.067 15 16 4 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:21.29
77 Baroque : Would you not go a bit faster with a chain saw threatening your gluteus maximus?
78 Post contains links B747forever : Here are the race weights: http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9334.html 1. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 646kg 2. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 65
79 Baroque : Heavy McLarens - again?/ Has anyone ever figured out much from the weights in terms of how they ended up? I vaguely tried but gave up. With a few exc
80 Waterpolodan : It's definitely not the engines that are the problem, Brawn GP seem to be doing just fine with the Mercedes V8s... Not that it has any bearing on the
81 Sudden : Ferrari has indeed made a major step forward, but seeing how they handle things during quali, this can well be the reason why they lost either champi
82 Bill142 : Everyone below 10th has a declared weight. I would assume that the weight listed is a combination of the cars weight as it was when it was eliminated
83 Cpd : Another terrible qualifying session for McLaren. Nice to see one of the red cars doing a bit better. I'll be hoping for another Brawn GP 1-2 finish.
84 ScrubbsYWG : Have you seen the new update to the BMW? wow. that is an UGLY car now. But to be honest, i am fully used to the looks of the new cars now. Well, i th
85 StealthZ : Well it seems the above wording from the 2010 F1 Sporting regulations 30-04-2009 has been replaced already in the 2010 F1 Sporting Regulations 06-05-
86 EZEIZA : Wow, I know I'm very late into the thread! I didn't watch the Quali, but I have to say I am pleased with Massa, an interesting 4th place considering h
87 Bill142 : Just bounce her on your knee and encourage her to support McLaren Seems the FIA have done a lot of changing to the regs without any consultation of l
88 Sudden : Full grown man and no feel for responsibility. What should we do with you!? Just bounce her to your second half. Always worked for me, honestly, yeah
89 MadameConcorde : Too many changes. I wonder how it would be if we still had last season's cars. I hope there will be an internet channel broadcasting the race today.
90 Post contains links Bill142 : Also try www.justin.tv
91 Aircatalonia : I woke up today to the noise of the Formula 2 engines. And I live 15km from the circut! Boy, what a noisy sport! I am no fan of races but I will watch
92 EZEIZA : :D Ok, she gives me a tough time at night but do you really think I should toruture her? Actually, the race is about to start and the baby is sleepin
93 MadameConcorde : Holy cow! Did you see this accident? Trulli Sutil Buemi and Bourdais...[Edited 2009-05-10 05:09:14]
94 MadameConcorde : Massa is awfully fast... I hope he will not make any mistake before the end of the race and he can make the podium. This is quite a crazy race! Hammy'
95 MadameConcorde : Almost done... After 55 of 66 laps Position Country Driver Team 1 Great Britain J Button Brawn 2 Brazil R Barrichello Brawn 3 Australia M Webber Red B
96 MIAspotter : Gosh I am really starting to dislike the Brawn GP guys, I live in BCN and I am glad I did not wasted 170Euros for a ticket. And Ferrari is a right me
97 MadameConcorde : All done. Next stop: Monaco... After 66 of 66 laps JENSON BUTTON WINS THE SPANISH GRAND PRIX Position Country Driver Team 1 Great Britain J Button Bra
98 StealthZ : Is that for a General admission ticket or Grand Stand and is it for the whole weekend or just Sunday?
99 MadameConcorde : From the BBC site: 1455: Lewis Hamilton is not a happy bunny. Not a happy bunny at all. "Look, of course, as it stands I don't have a car to win the C
100 MIAspotter : It was General Admission for the 3 days, no assigned seat, I went there 2 years ago and it was good. MIAspotter.
101 StealthZ : Thanks, just interested in comparison. AGP was AUD$175 for 4 days so a bit more than half the price of Spain. Cheers
102 KiwiRob : Yet again it was the bloke on pole who won, how many times has this happened this season? Nothing has really changed in F1 over last year, the only di
103 MIAspotter : Cool, I saw tickets for Monza for 130 Euros, again 3 days general admission. MIAspotter.
104 Tsv : Now he knows how Andretti felt in 1979 and how Scheckter (and Villeneuve) felt in 1980.
105 EZEIZA : A pretty boring race, with no real surprises, but I have to say how pissed I am at Ferrari. Who was the genius that calculated Massa's second fuel sto
106 Waterpolodan : You have a couple things happening in the IRL that allow for closer racing that would never occur in F1. For one, the cars are all exactly the same,
107 Sudden : Now you will most likely have some people breathing down your neck because of that comment. Aim for the sky! Sudden
108 Na : I agree, I´m pissed about Ferrari´s Team management as well. The number of grave and stupid mistakes they made this season would be a disgrace for
109 Waterpolodan : Don't think there's really any question of that, though, as we've seen Indy/CART drivers come to F1 many times over the years, and in the past couple
110 Scbriml : 4th? He finished 6th!
111 LTU932 : I've been reading in the press and Massa said that it wasn't the fuel calculations, but rather a problem during fueling that forced them to go easy i
112 B747forever : Congrats to Button, but Rubens should have won this. Cleary it was some kind of team order to change Rubens strategy. Seems this guy will never get a
113 EZEIZA : I know, I meant that 4th place, as it should have ended had the team not screwed up, would have been a good result I call BS on that. The team made a
114 KiwiRob : I wouldn't go quite that far, what I think would be a good idea is a standard chassis but with teams being able to do there own aero, namely wings fr
115 Post contains links MadameConcorde : The big trouble with the Monaco GP is that the tickets are really expansive not only on race day but also on the other days. . They charge way too mu
116 Post contains links Scbriml : No it wasn't , see Ross Brawn's post-race interview. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8042805.stm He said that the 3-stop strat
117 Springbok747 : What a stupid, boring race. This is becoming like the Ferrari-years where it would be just another Ferrari/Schumacher victory, except this time around
118 B747forever : How big was the gap between Rubens and Button just before the first guy pitted? I think it was only a few seconds if I remember correctly and if it w
119 MadameConcorde : I hope things will start to change after the Large Hadron Collider starts working again. I must be patient. The scientists at CERN said they would ha
120 B747forever : September will be too late for Ferrari/McLaren to win any of the championships. Ask them if they can fix it for the next race already
121 Scbriml : Brawn confirmed that both drivers were originally on a 3-stop strategy. Button pitted first from 2nd place. Barrichello was fuelled more heavily and
122 LTU932 : Agreed. As I said before, this was just an excuse by Felipe Massa. I mean, how the hell is it possible that they didn't load enough fuel to last them
123 ScrubbsYWG : aero on a race car is much more complicated than just front and rear wings. As we have seen this year(or so a lot of people claim) things like diffus
124 Bill142 : I'm amazed that Ferrari are actually making so many strategic mistakes. These kind of things are what you expect to see from teams who aren't used to
125 Baroque : Could be part of cutting back on costs do you think? Must admit, those exchanges were pretty incredible. It appeared to come as a shock to Massa too.
126 Sudden : You could always help them with some "cutting" otherwise. Massa's Shell card didn't have enough points to cover for this race, so he had to settle fo
127 GrahamHill : Since I just moved in last week, I still don't have the TV in my new place so I could not watch the GP . I can see from the results that McLaren and F
128 Post contains links Scbriml : To correct myself, as per this BBC article, it was in fact Barrichello's 3rd stint on the option tyre which was the slow one that allowed Button to g
129 B747forever : Well he was on the harder tire on the 3rd stint which obviously made it hard for Rubens to do anything. Also he ended up almost 10sec after Button wh
130 Baroque : You would have thought that the team that would be least prepared would be the Brawn while the F and Ms should have breezed through an easy winter. T
131 Waterpolodan : I know, that's why I said it would never happen Just explaining why it is that the IRL races tend to be closer-run affairs than F1 events. No, he was
132 Baroque : He said that his tyres seem off for both of the last two stints. Could be. I guess that Brawn will know, and probably nobody else will ever really kn
133 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Now this is the information for parking your own private yacht during the Monaco GP some spaces provide race track visibility. See the last page of t
134 GrahamHill : Goodness me!
135 B747forever : " target=_blank>http://www.port-monaco.com/images/st...t.pdf Just crazy! Well if you are rich, why not?
136 Sudden : Taking in to consideration that I have 2, I better get a discount! Aim for the sky! Sudden
137 MadameConcorde : Serious... What are your bets for Monaco? Other than Hammy (of course) who do you think can win the race? Will the Brawns win again? :- Does Ferrari s
138 Post contains links and images GrahamHill : The Fiszman cartoon on the Spanish GP: After an awful season start, Ferrari is looking for quick solutions to improve the car Pit crew - So? Massa - W
139 Baroque : Continuity forecasting suggests the Head Cheese should win? No slots to put money in, that is probably where they went wrong with Massa's fuel?
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