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Men's Suits: What Are Your Favorites?  
User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9262 times:

Hi All,
I've been seeing a lot of good deals lately on clothes and wanted to ask the board: What is your favorite men's suit?

I've managed to score a few good suits from Hickey Freeman, Joseph Abboud, Hugo Boss, and Jack Victor at insane discounts because they are supposedly out of season or the odd one left over. (Two of them were only $140, the others $250)

Compared to my usual Macy's Lauren or Jones New York, you can tell the cut and material of these suits are somewhat better. But is it really worth the price? I wouldn't even think of buying those suits at their regular prices.

Being a rather cheap you know what, I usually cringe at paying extra for these sort of things. But I am slowly starting to see that buying them on sale is worth it even if they are a $100 more.

I never buy premium brands, the only exception is Johnston and Murphy shoes because they last much longer than the typical pair of Dockers I used to buy.

What do you all think?

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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9241 times:

Quoting Sv7887 (Thread starter):
Joseph Abboud, Hugo Boss

Hugo Boss for $250?!?! DAMN! Love the cut of those suits! Where did you score these? I've got to invest in a new suit!

[Edited 2009-05-06 22:32:50]


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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9179 times:

Depending on what you do for a living a good suit is a good investment, and as long as you err on the conservative side will look good for a long time. Given that your shape doesn't change dramatically. Men's suits seem to be one of the few male articles of clothing that there is considerable choice and variation in. And they are easy to shop at a price point. If you can get a higher end suit on the cheap then go for it. Especially if it is made better, cut better, tailored better, etc....


I hardly ever get dressed up, I have a suit jacket (I think it is from Oscar De Laurenta's lower end line), but it doesn't fit anymore. I've dropped a few pounds and an inch or two so it sorta floats on me now. It was an end of season special and I think it originally retailed around $250-300.



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

I buy all my suits from Hickey Freeman and the quality is top-notch. It's really important how the suit is fitted, and be prepared to pay for expert fitting.

The suits I have worn include Hickey Freeman, Zegna, Boss, Kilgour and they were 'custom' made (actually factory assembled from existing sizes). I used to buy from Barney's downtown, but switched to Saks after they closed the WFC location.

The next level up is Brioni (and Armani) though you can go all the way up to $15K with the new brand at Saks (I forget who).

The thing about a suit is a) buy the style that suits you best and b) remember it's just a uniform, albeit an expensive one. Even though it's a tie-less world out there today, I won't walk around without a tie as I don't want to be mistaken for Mr. Ahmadinejad.

Earlier in my career I use to wear San Remo 9Italian) which is stylish and good value. Ralph Lauren makes good suits too but then he's just another guy from Brooklyn who made it to the Hamptons.

The guide:

Boss - Think 'The Matrix'.
Kors, etc: Stylish but outdated in one year.
Zegna and Brioni: CEO faves.
Hickey Freeman: Conservative and Elegant - lasts forever - great fabrics
Armani; For slimmer frames, Hedgehogs, Enterpreneurs and Posers.
Kilgour, Gieves: For the natty dresser; will make your American Boss unhappy and you'll get transferred to London EC1. Wear only with cuff links and T&A shirts.


One last time: You can make a great suit look really bad if it isn't fitted properly.


Cheers


User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9138 times:

If you need a great suit, try Caraceni, Ralph Lauren Purple Label, and the lower end of the Brioni line.
If your a sharp shopper, you can likely pick any of the above up for about $3,000.00.

For popular wear, you can still get a decent Hugo Boss for $700---but you better have the body to wear it--or it looks ridiculous.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9133 times:



Quoting AznMadSci (Reply 1):
Hugo Boss for $250?!?! DAMN! Love the cut of those suits! Where did you score these? I've got to invest in a new suit!

Macy's has some really good sales this time of year. The salesguy there told me they have a "Consolidation Sale" where they bring all their older stock out from their warehouses.

The Boss suit was a fluke. Macy's had a mix and match sale, where they had mismatched jackets and pants from various suits for $50 each. I was able to match up the jacket and pant perfectly. I only paid $115 in total. Actually you can score those Boss suits for around $300-400 when they have big sales.

I didn't even know what Hickey Freeman was until I walked into the Saks Fifth Avenue Outlet. They had a ton of suits in the corner that were marked 80-90% off, so I got the suit for $258, it was normally $1,100.

Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 4):
If you need a great suit, try Caraceni, Ralph Lauren Purple Label, and the lower end of the Brioni line.
If your a sharp shopper, you can likely pick any of the above up for about $3,000.00.

$3,000?! Wow!! I'm not at that income bracket yet, but are they really that much better?


User currently offlineQantasistheway From Australia, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9128 times:

I like suits by Pal Zileri the best. He has some amazing suits however they are very expensive. If you know where to look though, you can get a good deal on them. Also Zegna suits are very nice as well as Boss, however only if you have the right figure.

A great place to buy suits is an outlet village in Italy called Serevalle. It's between Milan and Genoa and has some great shops. Their sales in June are also great and I'm looking forward to going this Summer!


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9123 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 5):
Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 4):
If you need a great suit, try Caraceni, Ralph Lauren Purple Label, and the lower end of the Brioni line.
If your a sharp shopper, you can likely pick any of the above up for about $3,000.00.

$3,000?! Wow!! I'm not at that income bracket yet, but are they really that much better?

If I am dropping $3000+ I better be getting a pretty much bespoke suit and not something off of the rack.



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User currently offlineTylerDurden From United States of America, joined May 2008, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9121 times:



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 5):
$3,000?! Wow!! I'm not at that income bracket yet, but are they really that much better?

For the ego, yes. For the wallet, no.
I'm in the unenviable position of having to purchase a couple each year to wear in court or when meeting high profile clients. They don't get a lot of wear.

Better? I'm hard pressed to see the difference between a $600 suit or a $3,000 one---except in the finishing work and the fit. But I know other's can---hence, I'll continue to buy them (in very limited numbers!) to keep up with client's expectations....

Don't even get me started on shoes or watches!


User currently offlineOkees From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 424 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9117 times:

This thread reminds me of Barney from How I met your mother. Suit up!

Only have 1 suit, and I think its time for a new one. My navy blue graduation suit is a bit outdated, and, small. Love suits though.

okees



mobs jakis
User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9117 times:



Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 8):
I'm in the unenviable position of having to purchase a couple each year to wear in court or when meeting high profile clients. They don't get a lot of wear.

You could wear a suit more then once.  Wink



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9114 times:



Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 8):
watches!

I completely get the expensive watch thing. A good timepiece should last a lifetime. Though I suppose a Timex should too.

Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 8):
I'm hard pressed to see the difference between a $600 suit or a $3,000 one---except in the finishing work and the fit. But I know other's can---hence, I'll continue to buy them (in very limited numbers!) to keep up with client's expectations....

I'd certainly agree with you on that. A $500-$750 suit plus some money spent on tailoring seems like more than enough for us mere mortals.



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User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9110 times:

Best suit I ever bought (and still have) is an Alfani Red Tag charcoal gray suit from Macy's! That suit is so well cut that I feel like a movie star every time I wear it  biggrin  and the damage? $125

I love it so much that I'm looking to get a tailor cut me another suit using that one.

Who needs Hugo Boss or Ralph Lauren! I originally bought a Hugo Boss and returned it only to find the Alfani 2 weeks later at over half the price.


User currently offlineSv7887 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1025 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9106 times:



Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 8):
Better? I'm hard pressed to see the difference between a $600 suit or a $3,000 one---except in the finishing work and the fit. But I know other's can---hence, I'll continue to buy them (in very limited numbers!) to keep up with client's expectations....

This is something one of my friends told me regarding my job search essentially that "You have to look the part." and that my mode of dress just wasn't up to par for the jobs I was applying to.

I noticed a subtle change in how prospective employers have reacted to me when I'm dressed in a nice well fitted suit. I guess these things do matter.

Quoting TylerDurden (Reply 8):
Don't even get me started on shoes or watches!

Haha, I just discovered the value of Johnston and Murphy shoes. I got sick of buying a new pair of Dockers every year. I still have first pair of my Johnston and Murphy's, and it's 5 yrs old. It was funny, when I bought them, the guy at the store gave me a lecture on how to take care of them. He was really into it, like it was a prized possession of his lol.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9060 times:

My favorite when I was wearing suits was H Freemen (http://www.hfreemanco.com/ or Google H Freeman Suits). Both H and Hickey were started in the 1800s, but are not related to each other. H Freemen is a 5 make and Hickey Freeman hickeyfreeman.com) is a 6 make. The difference is (or used to be) defined by the tailors. Each level has various required steps in tailoring and a 6 is a step up from a 5 - but not a huge step.

The H Freeman (like Hickey) has a floating (not fused) front on the coat and various other features, like hand set collars & armholes. These tailoring features are part of what makes a suit or sport coat wear well. The other part is the quality of the cloth. There is no use paying for top tailoring if you are using a cheap fabric. It's also important to know that on the old scale of 100 being tops any fabric rated 80 or above should have a decent tailor working on it.

If treated properly a good suit should give you years of service. Only dry clean it once a season unless it gets dirty and make sure you take it somewhere who will know how to give it a soft press. Keep it handing on a proper suit & pant hanger and wrinkles will fall out, generally over night.

Because of the costs of these suits, even on sale, I'm of the opinion that it's a good idea to stay with a classic, elegant look and avoid fabric designs that will be out of style next year.

Another option I liked when I was selling suits in a moderate & up mens store was Corbin. They had a strong pant range, great sport coats and good cuts for younger guys. Would be a good choice for something like a classic British Tan suit. Just checked their website (http://suityourself.com/Corbin_Pants_Suits.asp) and they still have their classic blue Seersucker suit listed for $337 @ Retail. Uses 100% cotton and always looks fantastic on someone comfortable wearing one.

As you can probably guess I spent some time selling mid priced (Corbin) to 5 make (H Freeman) suits - including custom suits. I am now in that fortunate position where I seldom wear a suit, but have kept several in different sizes in order to be well laid out when I get laid out.

As for shoes, we started selling Alden, which is made outside Boston. This company is well known for the medical/orthopedic shoes they sell, The family has long had a love affair with the classic man's shoe and has a small family business making classic shoes. When I say they are traditional - they designed the first tassel loafer in 1929 and the same designed is used today. They never change their designs to be a fad. The only way I could afford them was by getting an employee discount off of cost.


User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3660 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9051 times:



Quoting Virgin744 (Reply 12):
Who needs Hugo Boss or Ralph Lauren! I originally bought a Hugo Boss and returned it only to find the Alfani 2 weeks later at over half the price.

When those suits cost under $300!  biggrin 



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2367 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 9032 times:

Cheap:
- I really really really love the cut of those colors of Bennetton suits. But, I've never bought one because I worry it might wear out quickly. Only if you're slim-slimmer side of average $250-350.

- I've actually seen a few nice discounted suits at the Men's Wearhouse, but you have to ignore the salesmen's advice which is crap and look look look. $300

$$$$:
- Gucci (if you're slim)
- Armani (if you're slim)

Quoting Comorin (Reply 3):
Armani; For slimmer frames, Hedgehogs, Enterpreneurs and Posers.

Omg, didn't know these were for the poséurs!

- Dior Homme (if you're anorexic and under 40)
- Kiton
- something custom in Super 150s/200s/210s (only for sporadic wear)

And also unless you're fat (and I mean f.a.t. not "fat") or old, go with a slimmer/shorter/more European cut jacket and properly tailored flat-front pants. I am SO tired of having to seeing 40-60 yo men looking like billowing black boxes with heads.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9014 times:



Quoting DesertJets (Reply 11):
I completely get the expensive watch thing. A good timepiece should last a lifetime. Though I suppose a Timex should too.

Actually a good watch can last a lifetime. My parents gave me a basic Rolex for Christmas '65 (basic means stainless steel & only tells time. No date, phase of the moon or when your girlfriend is most fertile.) This was the Christmas before I went into the Navy and I still ahve it. The only problem is that they do need to be serviced now and then and the service isn't cheap.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 16):
something custom in Super 150s/200s/210s (only for sporadic wear)

Traditionally the best wool available was Super 100s. As I recall it was the Australian Wool Board that established the rating. 100s were the best available and everything from 80 on up was excellent quality and needed a good tailor to mane the best of the fabric.

Ratings started jumping in the 1980s, with some mills claiming 110 and 120s. Apparently 120s were a micron thinner. Then there came the Super 150s. By that time Loro Piana (my favorite mill) s gave up and started playing the game so I had a suit made from their 150s range. The tailor complained that it took 2 hours longer to make the suit as the fabric was so light, but is was a dream to wear now and then.

But I won't buy another one. I went back to Loro Piana's Tasmanian line, which is an exceptional range. Some great colors and designs, the wrinkles fall out overnight if the suit is hung up properly and it will provide excellent service if well taken care of.

As for styling, I'm a firm believer in picking a style that will last. (Remember the Nehru jackets?) Maybe one moderately priced "fashion" item that you can turn over to Goodwill when it goes out of style. Slim fitting designs are good for slim men, otherwise don't go for a design that isn't designed for your shape. A good tailor will even know when to use the Portly pattern (even if he doesn't tell you) because the coat will drape better.

Pleats or no pleats? Depends on your preference. When I started in the business it was plain front and I had a hard time adjusting to pleats. Now I wear pleats 90% of the time because they are more comfortable and you can put things in your pockets (like an iPhone when your shirt doesn't have a pocket) without a bulge. Go with what you like and it will be at the top of style about half your life.  Smile


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9001 times:

Quoting Sv7887 (Thread starter):
you can tell the cut and material of these suits are somewhat better. But is it really worth the price?

That's true. I generally go for one of our local brands - Anthony Squires. They aren't cheap - but the grey one I have is very sharp. They have a office near where I work which is also very convenient.

I Also don't mind Ermenegildo Zegna - their suits are very sharply tailored.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 5):

$3,000?! Wow!! I'm not at that income bracket yet, but are they really that much better?

Yes - the expensive stuff is better, especially if you get it tailored to you (ie, measured up and made for you). The ones you buy from the department stores rarely fit properly, either too tight, or too large, or not long enough in the arms, etc.

I don't always wear my best suits - I'll wear cheaper clothes most days. I travel on public transport most of the time (maybe dirty seats, people eating food - etc) and since I don't work for the millionaires factory (Macquarie Bank) - I don't need to.

[Edited 2009-05-08 02:44:52]

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9000 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 18):
Yes - the expensive stuff is better, especially if you get it tailored to you (ie, measured up and made for you). The ones you buy from the department stores rarely fit properly, either too tight, or too large, or not long enough in the arms, etc.

Not to mention better fabrics, and more importantly, better stitching.


User currently offlineRGElectra80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8983 times:

I bought a couple of suits because Men's Wearhouse was having a buy one, get one free sale and I needed at least one. I wear suits maybe once or twice a year so it's not that big of a deal but in hindsight, I kind of regret not plunking down the extra $200 for a Marc Jacobs number that fit on me like a glove and going with some cheaper house brand instead. I had never bought a suit before so I wasn't too sure what to look for, what to avoid, etc. Lesson learned I suppose...


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 8920 times:
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Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 5):
Macy's has some really good sales this time of year

I usually hit Macy's too as they carry some diverse brands all under the same roof. Now I have to go home and see what suits I own. I know I have a nice beige suit but not sure if have my standard issue black. And I have a decent shawl type tuxedo thats gotten some use.

I appreciate ken777s advice. Its good. Some things are worth the price.

I discovered RM Williams dress boots. Great for the office though my Doc Martens are a close second.

A bit related but off topic, I want to ask about tuxedos. My B-I-L is getting married soon and has asked that we rent a 2 button notch lapel Tux. IIRC rentals in my area are about $125 but I have no problem spending double if I'll wear it at least once.


-is there a tuxedo type that retains its classic look through time?(Even Bond changed styles over time)



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8890 times:



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 21):
-is there a tuxedo type that retains its classic look through time?(Even Bond changed styles over time)

The two button notched lapel is a design that is older than your are so you should be safe. The width of the lapel may change over time (just like in suits) but as long as your's is in a mid range for the width you should be fine.

As for buying one, if your weight is relative constant then it's not a bad idea as long as the price is good. Just be sure to have a tailor alter the garment. What you end up with is a tux that fits - especially in obvious areas like the arms. No use making the investment and not getting a first rate fitting.


User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9182 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Mens Warehouse. I think I might rent my tux from there when I get married. My fiancee showed me a really nice all-white tux, altho it had a neck tie instead of a bowtie. I think the whole neck-tie thing is very informal. It makes a tux look like an everyday regular suit IMO...


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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8823 times:
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Is a shawl lapel as lasting a design?


Steeler, agreed, the neck tie on a tuxx just takes away from a classic look IMHO



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25 Ken777 : I believe it was popular before the notched lapel - and it is just as safe. Personally I prefer the notched lapel, but it's a matter of preference. I
26 Cadet57 : In my line of work, expensive suits arent worth it. All it takes is one bad day and its ruined. I'm an off the rack kinda guy. Usually Haggar and the
27 Type-Rated : I lke Austin Reed suits. When you buy one they need tailoring to fit. Definitely not an off the shelf suit. I have two of these and they have lasted a
28 G-CIVP : Some advice on suits that I will share. Assuming this is for the office. i) Never buy light grey or green or brown as these suits look cheap. If you h
29 Steeler83 : Or like something from the Gene Reyburn collection! They do... They look like something a contestant on Match Game would have worn!!
30 Ken777 : Light grey is OK if it is a VERY good fabric - and generally heavier fabric is better suited - like flannel. The classic tan suit works well in summe
31 AerorobNZ : I have a couple of Christian Dior suits, I like the quality and the cut...
32 Mirrodie : Is it possible/advisable to get a tux jacket only, as it seems tux pants are all the same?
33 Tylerdurden : Egad, man....never do that! While the colors may look like they match....it usually (never) does. Mixing and matching suit separates rarely works...t
34 SmithAir747 : I have trouble finding suits in stores that fit my small, thin body. I'm 5'6" and 100lbs (at age 34), and I am of very slight build (somewhat similar
35 Type-Rated : Francis: What you do is find the suit size that comes closest to fitting you and then tell the store that you don't want it altered. Then take it to a
36 Mirrodie : Thanks for the tip. I think a new Tux and suit are both in order!
37 Type-Rated : It amazes me how reasonable most tailors are. A lot of people are bringing in their favorite 80's & 90's clothing to their tailors and having them "up
38 Ken777 : You might check around for a size 34. Odd as it sounds, this size is available - mainly where there is a lot of horse racing, as the jockeys tend to
39 StasisLAX : Joseph A. Banks "signature" line. Great fitting, looks professional, long lasting fabrics.... but a little pricey (about $600+ USD unless on a 2 for
40 Babybus : You can't beat Armani.I don't wear suits often enough to justify buying a new one but if I did it would have to be Armani. I often go and try them on
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