Swiftski From Australia, joined Dec 2006, 2701 posts, RR: 2 Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3399 times:
Dider Drogba's explicit rant in front of live television cameras was inexcusable.
A number of decisions did go against Chelsea in yesterday's match. Important ones, at that. However Drogba's display shamed him, the club, and to a lesser, but still important extent, the sponsors and manufactures.
In any other profession, an employee in full uniform swearing and being abusive on live television would be dismissed, citing Gross Misconduct.
GrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2674 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3388 times:
I don't like Didier Drogba. He is always looking for the foul, always trying to fool the ref, and when things don't go the way he wants, he always have a poor behaviour.
I know that some penalties should have been awarded to Chelsea. But mistakes happened in the past and will happen again in the future. I understand Chelsea's frustration, but they should have killed the match before, especially when Drogba had the 2-0 opportunity.
I am a huge Barça fan, so I will not say if they deserve to go through or not (I will probably be not objective). What I can say is that the behaviour of some Chelsea players yesterday are not acceptable.
"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
RussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7303 posts, RR: 23 Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 3375 times:
I am no Chelsea fan, but the ref was indeed a disgrace. Yes mistakes happen, but I don't think we should just shrug our shoulders and tolerate them, especially when the stakes are so high. Did Drogba go over the top? Of course, and his behaviour wasn't acceptable, but it was understandable to a large extent, and football is not like 'any other profession'.
✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
I've met him, and he's a pleasant guy. But his actions yesterday cannot be excused just because he is, off the feild, not that bad.
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2): Yes mistakes happen, but I don't think we should just shrug our shoulders and tolerate them, especially when the stakes are so high.
Agreed. But take the example of Darren Fletcher at Man Utd. Dream shattered not being able to play in the final after an erroneous sending off, but he walked off in a professional, dignified manner. If anything, enhancing his own reputation.
Then you can look at Arshavin the other day - being "fouled" but telling the ref that actually, it wasn't a penalty. That was a highly respectable thing to do, proving that you can be a good player and an honest player at the same time.
Windy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2665 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3312 times:
Quoting RussianJet (Reply 2): but the ref was indeed a disgrace. Yes mistakes happen, but I don't think we should just shrug our shoulders and tolerate them, especially when the stakes are so high
I agree. The Ref did not make some calls in the box at the end and I can see why the whole team wsa really mad. The stakes are very high and I do not blame Drogba at all. To me the ref should never work a UEFA game again. He lost all control of that game at the end. Even ballack chased him down the field grabbing and bumping him after ballack wanted a handball called. It was a devastating way to lose and add in the refs bad decision making an it was a recipe for some fiery word's.
RussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7303 posts, RR: 23 Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3301 times:
Quoting Swiftski (Reply 4): But take the example of Darren Fletcher at Man Utd. Dream shattered not being able to play in the final after an erroneous sending off, but he walked off in a professional, dignified manner
It's one thing having a harsh decision go against you when you're 3-1 up and clearly going into the final. It's quite another when two or three harsh decisions directly put you out of the tournament.
✈ Every strike of the hammer is a blow against the enemy. ✈
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3627 posts, RR: 28 Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
Quoting Windy95 (Reply 6): To me the ref should never work a UEFA game again.
Why? He did exactly what UEFA expected of him. Didn't Platini complain recently about the dominance of English teams in the game? Well, there is your result - an asston of penalties not given and Barça scoring 6 minutes past regular time to make it to the final.
I think the problem here is that in some way you are confusing UEFA with a reputable organization, which it is not in the slightest. I hope Man Utd tears Barça a new one in the final.
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I wouldn't fire him, but I wouldn't play him in upcoming matches. His flopping and ranting continued the entire match. Rolling around on the field like a little kid having a tantrum was laughable. I'm glad Barca is going ahead and not Chelsea.
IliriBDL From Germany, joined May 2007, 1205 posts, RR: 15 Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3210 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 8): I hope Man Utd tears Barça a new one in the final.
Same here, hopefully they beat them by at least 4 goals.
I don't like Drogba either as a player, he's kind of arrogant at times but what he did was fine by me, especially with all the crap that the refs pulled in the last few minutes. EPL as a league should protest what happened there and threaten to withdraw from European competitions for a year if something doesn't get done.
TristarAtLCA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 583 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3188 times:
The issue isn't about whether Drogba is a nice guy off the field but his behaviour last night which by any standard was appalling.
Of course the referee was awful and denied at minimum two blatant penalties, but I just cannot shake the vivid irony of Drogba, a player who I simply cannot stand, screaming of injustice.This from a man who could not care less what injustice his actions cause opposing teams.
Michael Ballack will probably be in hot water as well but their is little doubt Chelsea received the rough end of the stick last night.
If you was right..................I'd agree with you
Qantasistheway From Australia, joined May 2008, 309 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3149 times:
I was at the ground last night and let me tell you that referee deserves all of the stick that he gets. Never in my life have I seen such a terrible run of decisions going against a team, and these weren't questionable decisions they were obvious penalties. I agree with those of you that think that he shouldn't be used again, however I also believe that in order to avoid this kind of thing again, especially in a CL semi-final. There must be some change so that a referee that regularly officiates matches in the Norwegian league, which is totally inferior to other major European leagues, should not be refereeing such important games. Why can't UEFA bring in the best from Italy, Germany or France to officiate these games? Surely the stakes are high.
Didier is a great guy. I had a good little chat to him on Sunday night when I went out with quite a few members of the Chelsea team. Of course he throws his weight around and goes down very easily, but this is where football is. It's up to the referee to decide when it's a genuine foul or if it's a dive and to punish accordingly. Drogba is just doing what he has to to win the games, what else can he do?
There's no wonder Guus feels there is something more to this! Watching the replays today just confirms how blatant these handballs and fouls are. He must have been getting flash-bacs of Italy vs Australia in 2006!
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6482 posts, RR: 8 Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3133 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 8): Why? He did exactly what UEFA expected of him. Didn't Platini complain recently about the dominance of English teams in the game? Well, there is your result - an asston of penalties not given and Barça scoring 6 minutes past regular time to make it to the final.
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9): Why not 10 minutes past regular time, while you're at it?
Barça scored on minute 93, which was 1 minute before the end of added time. There's nothing wrong here
Well if the penalites had been given, the score would have been 2 or maybe 3 to 0 by the time Barca scored, the other point would be, if they were down by 3 goals, would they have been playing that hard during stoppage time, we will never know.
Quoting TristarAtLCA (Reply 14): Of course the referee was awful and denied at minimum two blatant penalties, but I just cannot shake the vivid irony of Drogba, a player who I simply cannot stand, screaming of injustice.This from a man who could not care less what injustice his actions cause opposing teams.
The players action was unacceptable, some how we seem to hold them to a higher standard than the officials, what exactly is the penalty for this official and is someone looking at the tapes of the game to review his performance. The integrity of the game demands that the official be respected by all sides involved, but the counter point to that is that when incompetence is displayed, a price must be paid, who ever is at fault.
Not a Chelsea fan, but they are also responsible for this defeat, a one goal advantage is not enough when a tie knocks you out, they should have been more aggressive, however, maybe the ref prevented them from doing so??????
We need a replay with a neutral or at least a competent ref, imagine the agony if Barca actually wins the final in a couple weeks time?
Arsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 21 Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3117 times:
You have to look at it from the players side, while Drogba's behaviour was way over the top,
it really is understandable, it's not as if there was isolated penalty claim, there were several.
Football is a high pressure, emotional game, and sometimes it's hard to control your
feelings. The Norwegian referee though, produced one of the most shocking performances
from a sporting official i've ever seen. When you have Liverpool, Man Utd and Arsenal fans
showing great sympathy for Chelsea, you know they've been done up. As for Drog being
"sacked", he'll get a hefty fine and banned for a few games.
Ahhhh, sour grapes is it? Would you like some cheese with your whine
The bottom line is NO ref deserves to be abused the way he was and the ironic thing is its always the same players and the same teams who are the culprits.
Arsenal, Chelsea & Man Utd every time, they're all scum and they deserve all the punishment handed down to them, you treat a ref with respect and if you dont like his decisions then you appeal or remonstrate in a professional, orderly and respectful way! END OF!
I hope they ban Drogba & Ballack & Terry from all european club matches for a long time. Its obvious they felt hard done by possibly because they just realised it was probably their last chance of realistically winning the European cup - but they looked stupid, foolish and pathetic in their actions last night. Once again Terry should be ashamed of himself for his abuse of the ref in the tunnel, he thinks he'll get away with it by doing behind the cameras but hopefully the ref will report the lot of them!
Arsenal, Chelsea, Champions league!??? - Your having a laugh!
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2682 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3096 times:
Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 20): You have to look at it from the players side, while Drogba's behaviour was way over the top,
it really is understandable, it's not as if there was isolated penalty claim, there were several.
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 8): Why? He did exactly what UEFA expected of him. Didn't Platini complain recently about the dominance of English teams in the game?
I don't think there was any conspiracy. Just gross incompetence. When the two options are incompetence and conspiracy, I'll place my bets on incompetence every time.
Quoting Swiftski (Thread starter): In any other profession, an employee in full uniform swearing and being abusive on live television would be dismissed, citing Gross Misconduct.
As you said "in any other profession". There's a long history in sports, at least in the United States, of athletes and coaches letting loose emotional tirades, often involving profanity. They are rarely punished. Maybe it's different across the pond, but what Drogba did barely registers on my radar.
I think he was expressing the emotions everyone at Chelsea Football Club felt at the time. Every player in that locker room wants redemption for last years final, and they would have that opportunity if not for horrible officiating.
Edit for grammar bad
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It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12951 posts, RR: 79 Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3090 times:
This should not just be about this one player.
After all, he is just one of a small army of absurdly over-paid, very over-induldged, all too often seemingly rather unpleasant people.
Just the other day, the football playing member of a family of scumbags, one Joey Barton was in 'action' again.
That he is allowed to play at all for a major club, with his history, is symptomatic of a very deep malaise.
Of course his team felt robbed, really though, is it the first time that a series of it seems dubious refereeing decisions has gone against a team, any team, in an important match?
In life we call it 'taking the rough with the smooth', doubtless his club have had breaks from decisions that favored them.
But the idea of not getting all you want, all of the time, is an alien concept to these people.
Hence the reactions and not just from Drogba in this game, it's become embedded.
It has dribbled down as far as kids teams being disrupted by the pushy parents in the crowd.
Who would be a ref there now?
Having some suburban psychos insulting you, threatening you and worse.
Maybe the whole malaise is deeper still, after all, his team are merely the plaything of a Russian with a dubious history, which in time, he'll drop either through not meeting an impossible standard of results and trophies, or he'll just get bored with them.
Not that Chelsea are unique in this of course.
Yes he should be sacked, probably should be charged too with threatening behavior.
25 TristarAtLCA: We do hold players to a higher standard. Its the same in probably any sport you care to mention. Rightly or wrongly thats just the way it is, from be
26 Scbriml: Indeed. If it was a conspiracy, he wouldn't have sent off a Barca player. That decision was just as incompetent as his non-awarding of penalties. Yes
27 LTU932: On the bright side, this could allow us to search for a new captain in the German national team.
28 Speedbirdie: Oi Swiftski... Shut ya mouth you rugby playing fool! You don't even like football! Fire Didier Drogba? For what? Sticking up for his team and what he
29 Alias1024: Unless blood or protruding bones are seen, it should be assumed whenever Anelka hits the ground that he just tripped over himself. He seems to have h
30 YVRLTN: If I was Drogba or any Chelsea player I would be really pissed and even as a West Ham fan, I feel sorry for Chelsea. But whatever industry youre in,
31 Sebjacques92: Well from my opinion what ballack did was out of order and then Drogba just had to take it to far. The problem with Drogba is he thinks the club is ba
32 Thesorcerer: Sticking up for his team? All Drogba did was embarrass himself and the team. There's no doubt that penalties should have been awarded but that's cert
33 Davehammer: I'll make clear from the outset that the ref was very poor. He was clearly not up to the task and made some shocking decisions. What Drogba did though
34 Par13del: In my opinion, there is a player on Man U who is almost identical, however, he scores more goals so I guess he is excused. Does appear that football
35 Danfearn77: I hate Drogba. He dived yesterday so that wasnt a penalty, and neither were the other ones apart from the Pique handball. So thats only one bad decisi
36 Swiftski: Love you too! Sticking up is fine - the ref WAS terrible. He just did it the worst possible way. No - I feel like an old man for saying this, but the
37 Danfearn77: Reading through this thread i cant believe some people generally believe Chelsea should have had 4 pens to start with. Firstly Malouda just decided to
38 MillwallSean: This conspiracy theory is just silly, sounds like what comes out of italy every time an italian national team looses. No way that there would be a con
39 Legoguy: A lot has been said now so I can only echo the words of many others. Chelsea were quite unlucky to not get a penalty or two during the match so it is
40 JJJ: Michael Ballack, May 1st: “The referee did a great job. This is football and the Barcelona players should know this.” “In fact, it was a game wh
41 Idealstandard: He acted rudely and offensively in front of a vast audience, and should be disciplined in the full extent of the law. There is nothing else to be disc
42 GrahamHill: If, if, if, if...!! If the referee had been someone else, the match would have been different, future would have been different. Maybe there would no
43 Idealstandard: What a load of rubbish, and hardly a suprise coming from a "dedicated Chelsea supporter". What he did was out of line. If you were angered and did th
44 Qantasistheway: To the full extent of the law? I hope you mean that UEFA will take care of this and not the law as in the system of justice we live by? If you do mea
45 GrahamHill: He's a professional. He should show the example. You can express your frustration like Hiddink did (speaking calmly in front of cameras). But not lik
46 Qantasistheway: But it is no more unacceptable than what the referee did. Everybody is just throwing all of these accusations at Drogba whereas the referee is gettin
47 Gman94: Well the actions of the Chelsea players of which I think Ballack was the worst offender is just systematic of where football is nowadays. Overpaid and