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Dick Cheney Offers Support For Gay Marriage  
User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 902 posts, RR: 12
Posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2567 times:

Seriously:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...y-offers-his-support_n_209869.html

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7438 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2565 times:
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The nuts on the left witll still villify him before the right does


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21877 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Hasn't this (that it should be a state issue rather than a federal issue) been his position on the issue for a while?

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
The nuts on the left witll still villify him before the right does

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Sure, he waits till he's out of office, so he doesn't look like he's buckiing party line.

But, better late than never.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8297 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2503 times:



Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 1):
The nuts on the left witll still villify him before the right does

Mir took the words out of my mouth. Any reasonable person will take issue with his views on certain things, but like anyone who has gay family members, he understands that the Family Research Council is totally out to lunch on this issue and is on the wrong side of history.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Sure, he waits till he's out of office, so he doesn't look like he's buckiing party line.

Not quite, he publicly opposed the idiotic talk of a Man/Woman-only federal marriage amendment.



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User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

I am glad the former vice president feels this way. While we disagree on plenty of issues, it's nice to know that there are issues that unite people who believe in all sorts of politics. It is also interesting to note that this is the man who just a few weeks ago was very unapologetic about everything the Republican party stands for, social conservatism included. I guess he was more focused on the states rights issue than the you can never marry, ever! angle.

Either way, good on you Mr. Cheney!  Smile



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User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11582 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2491 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Sure, he waits till he's out of office, so he doesn't look like he's buckiing party line.

 redflag 

Don't fall into that trap, Falcon. Take the Newt Gingrich route: when someone is right, accept that they are right, praise them for being right, and tell everyone you know that they are right. Always.

besides that, Cheney has been clear on this for quite a while, including when he was in office. The problem for Cheney has been that his biggest issue by far is foreign policy (military policy) and domestic, especially social issues, even affirmative action, have been very distant seconds on his agenda. And you know what? That's the case for most Americans! Most Americans don't wake up thinking "I'm going to fight for gay rights" (though some do, and good on 'em) just like most Americans don't wake up thinking "i'm going to fight for affirmative action" (though some do, and good on 'em). That Cheney hasn't been in the spotlight over this issue is not his fault, and we shouldn't castigate him if his view only become widely known after he is out of office.

Sorry for the red flag, but I feel very strongly about commending someone when they do the right thing, *especially* if they are constantly chided for doing the wrong thing.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2479 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 6):
Cheney has been clear on this for quite a while, including when he was in office

Correct that Cheney has been supportive of gay rights for a long, long time - but this is the first time I've seen him say that he felt they should be able to marry.

Cheney's views in support of gays were the biggest thing against him for the Republican Party Convention back in 2000. He has NEVER supported and has spoken against the idea of a constitutional amendment to define marriage as a man and a woman.

I would even go so far as to say that his oppositon was one reason that amendment never came to a vote during the Bush administration.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Maybe Dick Cheney just wants her out of the house at all cost.
If she has to marry a woman for her to leave, then so be it!  Silly



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2406 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Sure, he waits till he's out of office, so he doesn't look like he's buckiing party line.

He made it clear that he felt it was the President's decision, and he was not the President. If only he had been. Smile



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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2402 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Sure, he waits till he's out of office, so he doesn't look like he's buckiing party line.

But, better late than never.

False, he's always been a states right politician. He opposed the federal marriage amendment back in 2004, believing the issue of marriage should be up to the states. However, I believe this is the first time he's explicitly indicated favoring gay marriage personally.


User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2390 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 7):
He has NEVER supported and has spoken against the idea of a constitutional amendment to define marriage as a man and a woman.

I would even go so far as to say that his opposition was one reason that amendment never came to a vote during the Bush administration.

And I thank him for that bigthumbsup  . And only that.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2324 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 6):


Don't fall into that trap, Falcon. Take the Newt Gingrich route: when someone is right, accept that they are right, praise them for being right, and tell everyone you know that they are right. Always.

I agree with D L X.

Kudos to Cheney for having the balls to stand up and do the right thing.


User currently offlineVirgin747lgw From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

good on Cheney but would he have this opinion if one of his daughters wasnt gay, and even if he was against gay marriage wouldnt it make sense to support it because of his daughter?

Its kind of like how most people dont care about the effects of a disease until them or someone they love contracts it.


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2280 times:



Quoting Virgin747lgw (Reply 13):
good on Cheney but would he have this opinion if one of his daughters wasnt gay, and even if he was against gay marriage wouldnt it make sense to support it because of his daughter?

Its kind of like how most people dont care about the effects of a disease until them or someone they love contracts it.

Nothing wrong with that, it's just being very human. What you describe is no different than how most people on this site are in their real lives. While there are many things that you can care about even if they don't affect you, most people have to have SOME connection in order to really care and express an opinion. A connection is what motivates you to expend the energy.

Kudos to Mr. Cheney on this, its a big issue right now in our nation and the more people "like" Cheney come out as in support of, or at least not opposed to, same-sex marriage, the better.


Tugg



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User currently onlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11582 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2263 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 14):
the more people "like" Cheney come out

Cheney come out.


::chuckle::



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User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2602 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

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User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

So when are we going to hear Limbaugh disowning Cheney and declaring that he's not a true Republican?

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