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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Well I'm finally sick of my old desktop (still pretty good with P4 3.0GHz / 3GB RAM and 700GB HDD in total) and have been looking into building a new one. I've had my older computer for 7 years now so I want to build something that will last me for a while without substanstial upgrades.

This is what I had in mind:

- ASUS Dual Socket motherboard with capacity for upto 32GB DDR2 RAM
- Two Xeon X3350 processors: Quad-core @ 2.66 GHz X2, so basically it would be pusing 21 GHz in total.
- 2 X 1.5 TB HDD
- ATI /Nvidia 1GB video card (haven't decided on exact card yet).

So all things short...this is gonna cost me roughly $1600 CAD with all the bells and whistles. Is it worth it, considering that it probably be fast enough and upgradeable enough to last for a while.

Thoughts?


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User currently offlineAustinairport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

I guess that really depends on the User.
I get by with Intel Core 2 Duo Running Both cores at 1.6GHz. But if your doing movie editing and stuff like that, that requires high processor calculations, then I think its worth it.

Quoting Phoenix9 (Thread starter):
32GB DDR2 RAM

Jesus... That's Beast.

You can Quadruple boot Ubuntu-Windows XP-Winows Vista-, and Winows 7.
 Big grin



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

 eyepopping  What applications will you use in this computer? I can't imagine with the spec you've mentioned.

User currently offlineMham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2272 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Thread starter):
- ASUS Dual Socket motherboard with capacity for upto 32GB DDR2 RAM

What do you plan on running? You won't get any benefit from more than 4GB with 32 bit Windows.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2271 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 3):
You won't get any benefit from more than 4GB with 32 bit Windows.

I'm sure he'll use the 64-bit version.


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting Phoenix9 (Thread starter):

- ASUS Dual Socket motherboard with capacity for upto 32GB DDR2 RAM
- Two Xeon X3350 processors: Quad-core @ 2.66 GHz X2, so basically it would be pusing 21 GHz in total.
- 2 X 1.5 TB HDD
- ATI /Nvidia 1GB video card (haven't decided on exact card yet).

Holy crap! And I thought my core i7 was a beast   

My brand new rig which I just finished building:
Core i7 920 2.6Ghz
Asus P6T mobo
2x Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4870 1gb DDR5 in Crossfirex
2x 640gb Western Digital Caviar Black in RAID 0
6Gb Corsair DDR1600 RAM

I currently have it overclocked at 3.6Ghz, it's 100% stable and runs very cool. Heck I managed to bump it up to 4.1 Ghz once, but you'd need water cooling for that. The Core i7s are remarkable performers and overclock great (if you're into that).

Ignoring other BS I bought (new screen, new keyboard etc) My rig cost just under $1300 USD, and it still has lots of room for upgrades. I bought everything off of newegg.com. The prices are great, shipping cheap and fast, and service is excellent.

With this setup it obliterates ANYTHING I throw at it. I just can't get the thing to slow down literally.

Quite frankly I'd say your money will be spent in a Core i7, the Xeons are better optimized for servers and workstations, unlesss of course, you plan on running an adult website from it, which knowing you it wouldn't surprise me.    

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 4):
I'm sure he'll use the 64-bit version.

Even then, it's been proven more than 6GB makes no performance difference whatsoever. tomshardware.com has all the tests proving so.

[Edited 2009-06-02 00:58:30]

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5486 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Well.....I was gonna post the specs on my build from almost 2 years ago but that will make me feel inadequate as a person now haha. Quite a build you got there.

As for the video card, maybe the Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP or GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP?


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2246 times:



Quoting Mham001 (Reply 3):
You won't get any benefit from more than 4GB with 32 bit Windows.

Just to clarify....I won't be putting in 32 GB RAM, it is just that the motherboard can take upto 32 just in case I need to add more in future. I'll probably start off with 8GB.

I know this build is overkill, but I tend to buy stuff that will last me for a few years. My old p4 system can still beat some of the newer low end systems and the only upgrade it had was an extra hard drive. So ya, it might be an overkill now but in 3-4 years with new bloatware, it might not seem like it.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 5):
you plan on running an adult website from it

Now there's an idea Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1201 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2221 times:

What will you do with your old desktop? A 3 GHz Pentium 4 with 3 GB RAM machine still have more than enough processing power to run most applications available today.

User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2211 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 8):
What will you do with your old desktop?

That will probably end up being used as a media center / home server....unless I can find someone who will be willing to buy it. It does have processing power for most applications, however when it comes to video editing / photo editing...it is lagging behind. I also play some games that are a bit slower than I like them to be. The only reason I'm thinking about getting one now is because of all the sale prices....seems like stores just want to get rid of as much merchandise as possible.



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User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2209 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 5):
Ignoring other BS I bought (new screen, new keyboard etc) My rig cost just under $1300 USD, and it still has lots of room for upgrades. I bought everything off of newegg.com. The prices are great, shipping cheap and fast, and service is excellent.

Man, I'm happy I ended up buying a laptop for the portability factor, but it still makes me a little sick that my machine cost me nearly 1,800 USD and it's significantly inferior in terms of specs compared to that rig you got for less. Granted, my lappy is a year old, but a desktop with equivalent specs at the time of purchase would have been less than half the price. There's a price to pay for compact engineering, I guess!


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

By the way here's a tip. Like I said I swear by newegg.com The way I shop with them is that I buy whatever it is I need that has the highest ratings on their website. (i.e. I have their highest rated LCD monitor, computer case, etc...)While you're not getting necessarily the cheapest stuff (I hate being a cheapskate for obvious reasons), you are getting the stuff that will give you the best value in terms of quality/price. And so far this tactic has worked excellent and I've been very impressed with everything I've bought from them using this method.

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 6):
maybe the Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express

As of now at least, the 4890 is not worth all the extra money that it costs over the 4870. The guys over at tomshardware.com (yeah i love that website) did a comparo between the two and the 4890 only yielded a few more FPS compared to the 4870, yet it costs almost 80% more.

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 7):
My old p4 system can still beat some of the newer low end systems and the only upgrade it had was an extra hard drive. So ya, it might be an overkill now but in 3-4 years with new bloatware, it might not seem like it.



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 10):

Man, I'm happy I ended up buying a laptop for the portability factor, but it still makes me a little sick that my machine cost me nearly 1,800 USD and it's significantly inferior in terms of specs compared to that rig you got for less.

Which is why I HATE HATE HATE laptops. If you want one that will run decently you need to spend at least $3k. And even then...

Another reason why I swear by desktops. I won't ever plan on having to get one any time soon, unless I become a paid pilot (ya right not in this economy  Yeah sure ). In which case I'd still have a kick-ass desktop at home to come to, but a laptop that can at least do the basics (internet, etc) with reasonable performance.


User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2193 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 11):

Which is why I HATE HATE HATE laptops. If you want one that will run decently you need to spend at least $3k. And even then...

Another reason why I swear by desktops. I won't ever plan on having to get one any time soon, unless I become a paid pilot (ya right not in this economy Yeah sure ). In which case I'd still have a kick-ass desktop at home to come to, but a laptop that can at least do the basics (internet, etc) with reasonable performance.

True, I considered getting a good gaming desktop and a little 13 inch laptop with the basics for travel/internet browsing, but I ended up deciding I'd rather have all in one, which in hindsight I guess I regret a little because I never play games when I'm traveling anyway.

As for needing at least $3K to buy a decent laptop, that was true in the past but now prices have dropped significantly for pretty good machines, check out this gateway-
http://www.notebookreview.com/defaul...wsID=5035&review=gateway+p7805u+fx
It's got a P8400 processor, 4 gigs of ram, 320 gig HD, a good screen, a great GFX card (9800M GTS), and it costs $1,300. Granted, it's not a core i7 machine with twin 1GB graphics cards, but it can handle everyday tasks easily and can play nearly every current game at pretty good settings plus it can blaze through any game that's a year or more old. Still more than an equivalent desktop, but if I were going to make my purchase again, I'd probably end up with one of these.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2188 times:



Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 6):
Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP or GeForce GTX 280 1GB 512-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP

Did you get an erection while typing that in?  devil 

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 11):
Which is why I HATE HATE HATE laptops.

I buy a good laptop every 2-4 years and keep it till it breaks down. Usually that's for mechanical reasons (hinges or latches break, fan stops and cpu fries, etc). Current one is a good-old IBM Thinkpad T41P with 1.8 GHz Pentium M and 2GB RAM. Still runs Windows XP so no need for an extra 2GB or so. I plan to keep it till it dies.

I don't like the new widescreen format laptops. They end up being too wide and narrow to fit onto my lap comfortably. My current work laptop is a T61P in widescreen format and I don't like it as much as the T41P.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2170 times:



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 12):
check out this gateway-

Sounds decent, but I rather get one of these, for the same price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834152099

I prefer the obscure brands (MSI, Asus, etc), or at least they are obscure to non-computer nerds. Reason being is they are not overpriced and cheaply made like the crap from HP, Sony and others. And most importantly, they are not full of bloatware and the BIOS is fully customizable and not idiotically locked or very restricted like some of the more popular brands have.

I was just helping a friend with an HP laptop that keeps restarting on her randomly. I suspected overheating and sure enough I was right, that thing will BURN your lap, yet the fan stays at a constant speed. My best friend has the exact sane laptop (and they're both POSs) and the fan is always throttling up and down to keep it cool on his. Anyways, I go into the BIOS and sure enough, there's NOTHING you can do about it, and none of the fan utilities that can be run from the OS worked. At any rate I removed all the crap she had from her computer and killed hundreds of useless background processes and that helped somewhat. Otherwise HP wants $100 for diagnostics ALONE, the fix could just be hundreds more. I've had similar very frustrating experiences from other big name brands. Pretty lame if you ask me.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 13):
Current one is a good-old IBM Thinkpad T41P with 1.8 GHz Pentium M and 2GB RAM.

I've never been a fan of IBMs in regards to performance but they sure are built like tanks. I've had horrible experiences fixing or trying to fix un-fixable HP, Sony, and Dell laptops.


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2163 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 14):
most importantly, they are not full of bloatware and the BIOS is fully customizable and not idiotically locked or very restricted like some of the more popular brands have.

All brand name computers are full of friggin bloatware. The first thing I did when I bought my laptop (ACER) was to format it and do a clean install of windows and turn off 80% of the automatically starting services.



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User currently offlineAustinairport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2158 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 5):
which knowing you it wouldn't surprise me.

Good one.  Big grin



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2152 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 15):
All brand name computers are full of friggin bloatware.

No. Only Windows PCs.


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2146 times:



Quoting Austinairport (Reply 16):

At this point...it won't surprise anyone  Big grin Maybe I should do that...the computer will pay for itself many times over within the first few months and then hopefully DM will buy it off from me  mischievous 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
No. Only Windows PCs

A small price to pay to be able to modify the computer / hardware as you wish.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 14):
I've never been a fan of IBMs in regards to performance but they sure are built like tanks. I've had horrible experiences fixing or trying to fix un-fixable HP, Sony, and Dell laptops.

I agree the IBMs are tanks.

I'm not sure what you need big performance for.

I mainly use my laptop for web serving and not much more, so it's got plenty of performance.

On the other hand, when I went to buy a small server to host storage space for backups, I went to newegg and was a bottom feeder. I came up with an Asus mini-tower that had enough memory and disk for what I needed for $400 base plus another $140 for the disk. So I'm a newegg fan as well.

For me, laptops gotta be rugged. Are any of the cheaper brands relatively rugged?



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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2134 times:



Quoting Revelation (Reply 19):
Are any of the cheaper brands relatively rugged?

Panasonic Toughbook is one of the most rugged laptop you can buy...but unfortunately the price is sky high too. I don't think any of the cheaper brands are comparable to even an IBM...the ones that can take the abuse, also abuse your pocket.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2134 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 18):
A small price to pay to be able to modify the computer / hardware as you wish.

That's highly overrated, and increasingly so. Apart from cheap gaming rigs there are less and less useful opportunities to be had there, and even there many "sexy" constellations are actually pointless in practice.


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2130 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Apart from cheap gaming rigs there are less and less useful opportunities to be had there, and even there many "sexy" constellations are actually pointless in practice

Not necessarily...however, I do agree that when it comes to graphic design and video editing, Macs are very good and that is one of the niche markets for Macs. They are becoming popular but as far as hardware customization goes...PCs are way ahead e.g. someone can build a basic web surfing / word processing machine for under $300....not so with Macs.

That being said...the debate of Macs vs PCs is the same as the neverending Boeing vs Airbus Big grin

For me, this pretty much sums up the whole idea of Mac vs PC:

http://media.laptoplogic.com/upload-images/9349/9349_mac_vs_pc.jpg



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2119 times:



Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 22):
Not necessarily...however, I do agree that when it comes to graphic design and video editing, Macs are very good and that is one of the niche markets for Macs.

That is a rather old misconception which is completely obsolete nowadays. By now pretty much the only niches which Macs don't really cover are cheap gaming PCs, certain special-purpose machines and low-end computers.

People with all kinds of requirements are switching in droves, and that Macs can run anything a PC can only accelerates this trend.

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 22):
They are becoming popular but as far as hardware customization goes...PCs are way ahead e.g. someone can build a basic web surfing / word processing machine for under $300....not so with Macs.

And you'll notice every dollar you "saved" as long as you're using it. Not a great deal, all in all, but if initial sticker price is your only concern, go for it!

Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 22):
For me, this pretty much sums up the whole idea of Mac vs PC:

Then why are an increasing number of IT professionals (like me, by the way) and other people with advanced demands switching to Macs? They're generally not stupid and know a thing or two about this stuff...  mischievous 

I can understand if someone has fun building one's own computer, even if the time and effort (and quite possibly even just the total price of all the parts) will make it substantially more expensive in the end.

But for me time is money, and quality pays dividends. And the OS makes up more than half of the effective performance of a computer anyway, so a PC hobbled by the Windows ball and chain will never be able to catch up, apart from always remaining cumbersome and aggravating. I prefer (and need!) a heavy-duty Unix with an excellent user interface on top, wrapped in top-notch hardware from the same manufacturer who created the OS, so no mutual finger-pointing either when there should be a problem.

Ask other people who actually know more than just Windows PCs; They'll most probably confirm that your preconception about Macs could hardly be farther off the mark.

The machine you're trying to build basically aspires to be a Mac Pro (just of course without any manufacturer support and without the capability to run Mac applications), but I'd really consider how much of that performance you'll actually need in practice and how much of it will just turn costly electricity into increased room temperature.

We're at an inflection point where past recipes about PCs have lost much of their presumable wisdom; I'd really take a closer look at what your needs really are. It's usually a bad idea to invest lots of money and technology into "spare" capacity apart from RAM or mass storage expandability.


User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2113 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Then why are an increasing number of IT professionals (like me, by the way) and other people with advanced demands switching to Macs? They're generally not stupid and know a thing or two about this stuff.

lol...dude that was just a joke! Chill out!

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Ask other people who actually know more than just Windows PCs; They'll most probably confirm that your preconception about Macs could hardly be farther off the mark

I am one of those people since i have dual boot Win 7 and OSx on my laptop. I use one or the other depending on what i'm doing. I also use the newer iMacs in our lab, so i have a pretty good idea of how OSx works. But at the end, I would choose a PC just for the vast amount of stuff that can be done.



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25 Klaus : It's a widespread misconception which keeps being distributed by people who just don't know better. But misconceptions which mislead other people nee
26 FLY2HMO : that sums it up nicely
27 Phoenix9 : Sorry dude! My comments were definitly not to tell any "nonsense". That is my opinion and I stand by it. And for the record, I have no problem with p
28 Revelation : Getting back to my "rugged" comments, I love the macbook made from a single aluminum billet. Tough, light and stylish all at the same time. Work now
29 Phoenix9 : I have done a dual boot of OSx on a windows machine but not windows on macbook. From what I have heard, it runts pretty well. I don't know how it wil
30 Post contains links Klaus : I know. I was responding to the rest of your posts. The difference being that nobody(?) will ever buy one or the other for themselves based on what t
31 AverageUser : Naturally, because they are now in effect Windows PC with a more or less outdated hardware setup. New hardware is out daily, so if you want to stay t
32 Post contains links and images Klaus : More or less. Exactly. It varies during the product cycle, from Apple often being the first getting various new components until the specific model e
33 Post contains links Gofly : Perhaps the source is somewhat biased, however, these videos, for me, show the differences between Macs and PCs very well... http://www.apple.com/geta
34 Waterpolodan : That is a good looking machine, and it has the advantage of being a 15.4 inch laptop rather than the bulky 17 inches of the gateway. I think 15.4 is
35 AverageUser : For instance I don't see a Core2Quad CPU in Apple's lineup. A GF GT130 as the best GPU in the lineup is pathetic by the current gaming standards. The
36 Klaus : Of course they have; The "new" features in Windows 7 are as closely copied from MacOS X as never before, without actually reaching the ease of use an
37 Post contains images Klaus : You can downgrade the Mac Pro to just one quad core CPU if you want. The question is how many people will actually use a quad core CPU. For most peop
38 Mt99 : That's the kind of thing that you don't know how nice it is to have, until you do. If you always fly economy class, it will always be OK. But once yo
39 Waterpolodan : Well, it's all a matter of perspective. Someone who learned the nitty gritty of PCs long ago can get effective work done at the same rate on a PC as
40 Post contains images AverageUser : You will have noticed that the title of the thread actually refers to self-building (I'd say self-assembling) a PC, and not a Mac? Of course we will
41 Waterpolodan : That's assuming the gaming PC will constantly have problems, which is a big assumption, I've had no problems with mine other than a slight overheatin
42 FLY2HMO : Yeah I did though I didn't have compressed air with me. I poked the heatsink as much as I could but it didn't seem clogged at all. Also the way they
43 Post contains images Phoenix9 : Maybe I should get this monitor as well /sarcasm 43" curved surface..but $8000...so maybe I should look into setting up that "server"
44 LTU932 : Correction, Snow Leopard is 10.6, 10.7 doesn't even have a published name AFAIK. That being said, as far as the specs go, I'd start slow with the RAM
45 Klaus : Practical experiences made by too many people to be just accidental speak to actual, substantial differences. It just doesn't stop being easier and m
46 FLY2HMO : So you overclock the quad core. Problem solved.
47 Post contains images Klaus : Not really. The dual core will usually have even more headroom for overclocking since it isn't saddled with the additional thermal load of the extra
48 Post contains links AverageUser : Your comment shows that you and the reality in the field do not meet. Gaming industry has been the fastest growing computer industry for years and th
49 Post contains images Klaus : Relative growth rate and absolute size are completely different factors. Gaming enthusiasts on the level of building their own rigs are still just a
50 AverageUser : Please you Klaus -- what is the typical 3DMark score for the best Mac -- any ideas?
51 ReguPilot : I did not read the whole thread, and I'm sure you know what your doing with that, but I think it's a waste of money to build such a machine unless you
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