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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20018 posts, RR: 59
Posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

So my prediction is that it will be within 24 hours that some conservative windbag will slam Obama for taking some time off with the family in Paris.

Well, he's the President, he's worked hard, and he deserves a few hours with his wife and kids, aright?

Not so fast...

http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/200...paris-for.html#2790755599763816126

Apparently a President is NEVER allowed to take a vacation? Remember, he's NOT ALLOWED to fly on any plane other than AF-1 and the Secret Service HAS to go with him. So a simple trip to Martha's Vinyard becomes a tens-of-thousands-of-dollars affair.

And now this windbag is demanding that Obama give a full disclosure of every dime he spends on unofficial business from his own money.

I knew it was coming. I knew it...

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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

Pretty low key here. His visit has taken something of a back seat to the EU elections and the AF447 tragedy.
Today, all I heard was that Michelle and children had stayed on for a bit longer to go shopping and celebrate a birthday. They're just down the street form me a few hundred metres, as I live at Opera near rue du Faubourg Saint Honore, with all the boutiques and the Palais Elysee.

As for right wing US wind bags, who's listening?



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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2563 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Apparently a President is NEVER allowed to take a vacation?

How soon some people forget. I mean, just how many times did GWB retreat to the farm in Texas?

In this case, Obama was already in Paris anyway - and it's not like flying 3 persons + whatever hanger-on's IAD-CDG/ORY is a hugely expensive business anyway  Yeah sure


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4280 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Apparently a colleague of mine over in Paris had coffee with the Obama family today. She hasn't told me the details yet, though.

Texan



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User currently offlineDallasnewark From Estonia, joined Nov 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2529 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
So my prediction is that it will be within 24 hours that some conservative windbag will slam Obama for taking some time off with the family in Paris.

Well, he's the President, he's worked hard, and he deserves a few hours with his wife and kids, aright?

Not so fast...

http://mikesamerica.blogspot.com/200...paris-for.html#2790755599763816126

Apparently a President is NEVER allowed to take a vacation? Remember, he's NOT ALLOWED to fly on any plane other than AF-1 and the Secret Service HAS to go with him. So a simple trip to Martha's Vinyard becomes a tens-of-thousands-of-dollars affair.

And now this windbag is demanding that Obama give a full disclosure of every dime he spends on unofficial business from his own money.

I knew it was coming. I knew it...

What is your obsession with Obama? I mean what has he done besides running his mouth? He promised so much during his campaign, but his actions have not amounted to much, besides plunging this country into more debt via the stimulus bill, nationalizng AIG and soon to follow GM.

Go ahead, take your shot at me by calling me a "conservative windbag" which I'm not



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Even more annoying than the conservative "windbags" is the media fawning over the Obamas, tracking their every move, going into detail their outings and what they're wearing and how cute/beautiful they look, blah blah blah. I mean, am I watching CNN Newsroom, or Entertainment Tonight?

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 4):
He promised so much during his campaign, but his actions have not amounted to much, besides plunging this country into more debt via the stimulus bill, nationalizng AIG and soon to follow GM.

Standard Obama response: "I inherited this economy"...translated "It's Bush's fault"



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8870 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2491 times:



Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 1):
Today, all I heard was that Michelle and children had stayed on for a bit longer to go shopping and celebrate a birthday.

Just to point out that Obama's family did not simply hitch a ride on Air Force One, as is usual and would not raise many eyebrows. In this case, she was flown over seperately, which is an added expense.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21495 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2477 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Just to point out that Obama's family did not simply hitch a ride on Air Force One, as is usual and would not raise many eyebrows. In this case, she was flown over seperately, which is an added expense.

You think Obama should have dragged his family through Egypt and Germany instead of meeting them on the last leg of his tour?  eyebrow 

Except if they had been held locked away in their hotel rooms the additional security would have produced substantial costs as well. Compared to the total budget for this trip I would guess moving the family to Paris will be one of the smaller positions.

If nothing else, the high tension and the political themes of his political program on this tour would have made that an extremely inappropriate choice. The way they handled this was actually quite smart: Closing an extremely important but rather somberly themed political journey on a lighter note is a good PR move not just for the president himself but for the country he represents as well.

I am almost certain this was carefully orchestrated to raise the overall effect of this trip.

Not that I'd find it inappropriate at all that cost issues are being scrutinized; In a democracy proper oversight is always a good thing.


No, what I find somewhat troubling is the extremely low level on which criticism is coming from the US right, as if they were completely unable to produce any actual meaningful opposition and had to resort to petty complaints to come up with anything at all.

They seem to be completely empty-handed regarding actual policies exceeding their stereotypically hollow "lower taxes!" mantra.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2455 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
So my prediction is that it will be within 24 hours that some conservative windbag will slam Obama for taking some time off with the family in Paris.

I can show you a right-wing website where they've already done that.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 6):
Just to point out that Obama's family did not simply hitch a ride on Air Force One, as is usual and would not raise many eyebrows. In this case, she was flown over seperately, which is an added expense.

And? So? Do you think the Bush family/families, or the Reagan family didn't every do that? Do you deny the President of the United States to have his family go with him, simply because you can't stand him? You hold him to a different standard.

Your hypocricy and nit-picking knows no bounds, Charles. It's so sickening typical of the mindset of the right these days, that they pick on anything and everything.

Find a REAL issue to bitch about.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6628 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2455 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
You think Obama should have dragged his family through Egypt and Germany instead of meeting them on the last leg of his tour?   

I think that the GOP should have a consultant - or a blogger - figure out how much the extra weight of carrying the First Lady and her daughter all over the middle east would have been, dont forget the cost of food...

And then compare it to the cost of an additional flight. If they really want a fair comparison. But of course that just crazy.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2430 times:

Here's one Republican who is pissed off:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...ley-obamas-got-nerve_n_212301.html

Memo to Chuck: your job is to craft the legislation. The President's is to represent the United States at a function, say like the anniversary of D-Day. That straighten out your jobs? Good. Now, STFU, and get to work on the legislation.

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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8870 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2424 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Your hypocricy and nit-picking knows no bounds, Charles. It's so sickening typical of the mindset of the right these days, that they pick on anything and everything.

Jeez, dude, take a valium and get your anger issues under control. Did I even say anything negative about Obama? I was just pointing out the reason why some people got upset - not because of Mrs Obama going on the trip, but that they had to provide a separate plane(s) and associated costs.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Do you deny the President of the United States to have his family go with him, simply because you can't stand him?

I do question the need to provide seperate aircraft for long distance trips. I don't know if it's been done before or not, but I would say that the president's wife should either travel with the president or stay home for the trip. But since wasting government money has been termed as "stimulus" by this government, I don't see anything inconsistant, and I refuse to get upset at this when there are a lot bigger spending programs to get PO'd about.



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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 901 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2411 times:



Quoting Homer71 (Reply 5):
Even more annoying than the conservative "windbags" is the media fawning over the Obamas, tracking their every move, going into detail their outings and what they're wearing and how cute/beautiful they look, blah blah blah. I mean, am I watching CNN Newsroom, or Entertainment Tonight?

Why are you surprised? We labeled him a celebrity President way before he became President. As is usual with this President, the critics were right. So again, what's the surprise? Obama is everything many of us thought he would be and more. Inexperienced, envious, shallow, and self-obsessed among other not so wonderful qualities.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
No, what I find somewhat troubling is the extremely low level on which criticism is coming from the US right, as if they were completely unable to produce any actual meaningful opposition and had to resort to petty complaints to come up with anything at all.

Klaus, get over yourself. You want legitimate criticism, here it is. Your hero is bankrupting my country.

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Some of us don't find him so heroic.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20018 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2408 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):

I do question the need to provide seperate aircraft for long distance trips.

Do you know if Michelle flew on a government craft to get there? I know that Chelsea Clinton always flew commercial carriers unless she was traveling with her father. The White House picks up the tab for the associated Secret Service guards, though.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 1):
As for right wing US wind bags, who's listening?

You would really be surprised how many Americans actually take these people seriously enough to try to throw elections.

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
Apparently a President is NEVER allowed to take a vacation?

Until it reaches a third of his term, then it is okay. Until the president is taking a vacation/funraiser while a major city is drowning, it is okay.

Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 4):
but his actions have not amounted to much,

Which has been said since the first day he was elected. Find another excuse to hate Obama, please.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 12):
Some of us don't find him so heroic.

Oh, geez... not that again. Can we clarify something? What the right is so pissed off about in regards to that chart: IIRC, the huge dip includes the cost of the war in Iraq, which Bush wanted but did not want to pay for AND blind bobble-head supporters of Bush wanted so badly. Yet, it is Obama's fault. Explain, please? I guess he could have pulled a right-wing and just pushed all that debt onto our grand children and great-grand children.



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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Ah geez...WTF. Why can't people come to terms with the fact that Obama was elected and is doing his job as a president? Why there must always be nit-picking one way or the other? There have been so many threads on A.net with someone either bashing Bush or Obama. Majority of the people thought Bush didn't do a good job so they elected Obama....a good example of democracy.....get over it!! No one is perfect....and never will be. The fact is he will be the president for next 4 years (unless something unforseen happens)...if you don't like what he did in those 4 years....vote for a different guy. Until then don't bitch about little things.....there are much worse problems facing the US and the World.

[Edited 2009-06-08 08:20:04]


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8870 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2333 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
Do you know if Michelle flew on a government craft to get there? I know that Chelsea Clinton always flew commercial carriers unless she was traveling with her father.

Do you REALLY think that Michelle would travel commercial if she had the choice? Never mind that the Secret Service would never allow it.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2333 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 11):
Jeez, dude, take a valium and get your anger issues under control. Did I even say anything negative about Obama? I was just pointing out the reason why some people got upset - not because of Mrs Obama going on the trip, but that they had to provide a separate plane(s) and associated costs.

Brovo Sierra, Charles. YOUR upset over it. Don't attribute to others what you yourself are feeling. You are looking for a reason to get pissed, and you found one. At least be man enough to stand behind your own words, and not try to deflect them by saying "some people". It's you, and you know it.

Quoting FreequentFlier (Reply 12):
Some of us don't find him so heroic.

Just as some of us didn't find Ronald Reagan to be the Second Coming, as the GOP obviously does. I think it's hysterical that the Right pawns off to the nation this Hero Worshp of the Myth that was Reagan, yet if anyone even show admiration for President Obama, they get hit with all kinds of insults from the right.

Do as we say, not as we do, eh?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20018 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2322 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 16):

Do you REALLY think that Michelle would travel commercial if she had the choice? Never mind that the Secret Service would never allow it.

The Secret Service allowed Chelsea to travel commercial. So I can't imagine that Michelle and the Girls would be any different. I don't know. Do you know?


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8870 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2276 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Brovo Sierra, Charles. YOUR upset over it. Don't attribute to others what you yourself are feeling. You are looking for a reason to get pissed, and you found one.

I just told you, I'm not pissed about it. It's a peanuts issue.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17):
Just as some of us didn't find Ronald Reagan to be the Second Coming, as the GOP obviously does. I think it's hysterical that the Right pawns off to the nation this Hero Worshp of the Myth that was Reagan, yet if anyone even show admiration for President Obama, they get hit with all kinds of insults from the right.

Oh, man. You want to compare? You really want to compare?

Here is Evan Thomas of Newsweek calling Obama "some kind of god", and how he is supposedly trancending borders.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=ydaG6UprkU

Sure, we loved Reagan. But it never got to this level. This Obama-worship is just nuts.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10910 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

These are my questions about the Obama family's trip to Paris:

How much did this trip cost... the US tax payers?
How much came out... of the President's pocket?
How much did it cost... French tax payers (I imagine that part of the trip was paid by France).

Any idea? I am just curious to know.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2242 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
How much did this trip cost... the US tax payers?
How much came out... of the President's pocket?
How much did it cost... French tax payers (I imagine that part of the trip was paid by France).

Any idea? I am just curious to know.

None comes out of the President's pocket. His travel, like all President's, is picked up by the tax payers.

As for the French, whatever security they put around the president and First Family to augment U.S. security they paid for.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
Oh, man. You want to compare? You really want to compare?

Here is Evan Thomas of Newsweek calling Obama "some kind of god", and how he is supposedly trancending borders.

Ask John Boehner, who just bawled like a baby when his statute was unveiled. Yes, there is a comparison, because the right has been building up the Myth of Reagan for almost 30 years now. It isn't what the truth was, but he Myth looks pretty good.

Actually, there is no comparison, as Obama has been in office 5 months. The spin on Reagan's image has been going on for 3 decades now. So you're right. There is no comparison.  Big grin


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Michelle Obama and the kids have now moved on to London, a 757 from the presidential fleet is sitting at STN today it was shown on the BBC news. the reg ended with a 3, it think it was 290003

They were last seen sightseeing near Big Ben.


User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 901 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2205 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
Oh, man. You want to compare? You really want to compare?

Here is Evan Thomas of Newsweek calling Obama "some kind of god", and how he is supposedly trancending borders.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=ydaG6UprkU

Sure, we loved Reagan. But it never got to this level. This Obama-worship is just nuts.

Yes this was absolutely disgusting. I obviously liked Reagan but if someone compared him to a deity, I would be appalled. The absolute worship of this President by the press is getting out of control. I will never buy another Newsweek ever again, nor will I ever bother reading a Newsweek link. The magazine should be embarrassed by itself. It's not, which is why it's heading towards going out of business.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Ask John Boehner, who just bawled like a baby when his statute was unveiled.

You're embarrassing yourself now Falcon. Crying at the unveiling of a statue of someone who has passed away is akin to deifying a sitting President? Um...ok.


User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2199 times:



Quoting Dallasnewark (Reply 4):
What is your obsession with Obama? I mean what has he done besides running his mouth? He promised so much during his campaign, but his actions have not amounted to much, besides plunging this country into more debt via the stimulus bill, nationalizng AIG

The AIG nationalization happened in 2008, while Bush was president.



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25 Seb146 : You have to admit, it is a little bit eepy-cray, don't you think? People, especially the Right, seem to forget that Reagan ballooned the deficit, sla
26 Falcon84 : Very. It was a show for the media, nothing else. Perhaps he's trying to convey that HE is the heir to the Regan Revolution, or the tatters that is le
27 FreequentFlier : ....except for the liberals that do, like Evan Thomas who compared the President to God on Friday. And Chris Matthews who proceeded to agree with him
28 Post contains images OA412 : What a shock!   I was just about to say that 24 hours is way too long. Oh please, the hero-worship and deification of Reagan by some in the GOP know
29 Seb146 : Two on the left compared to how many right wingers that went absolutly nuts when they saw Obama was energizing the country. This is just showing that
30 Dallasnewark : Can you find an excuse to start a reading comprehension course? Did I ever say anywhere that I hated the guy? The truth really hurts, does it. You ca
31 Dreadnought : You think we oppose him because we are jealous ????? We will give him as much respect as you showed the Governor of Alaska or the previous President.
32 Zentraedi : They're not even comparable on the same level. With Bush, he might have had some slips or ineloquent moments, but you still knew what he was saying.
33 Dreadnought : I think what comes out of Obama's mouth is equally if not more ignorant. He sounds good and looks great saying it (which seems enough to win a lot of
34 DocLightning : DING!!! and that's the end of that round of off-topic bashing of our least-favorite politicians! Thank you for playing! We'll continue this game in..
35 FreequentFlier : If you call 9 and a half percent unemployment and trillion dollar deficits "energizing the country", then please stop doing it. It obviously grates s
36 Dreadnought : Somebody posted earlier that she was flown overseas in one of the Presidential Wing's 757s. Sorry for getting off topic. I was just pointing out the
37 DXing : As well it should. Not only did they use a 757 instead of a smaller jet, it most likely deadheaded back across the Atlantic. Meanwhile companies have
38 Klaus : Dragging the entire family along through all the stations of this particular trip would have been especially difficult if not impossible security-wis
39 UAXDXer : I have no issue with the Obama's taking extra personal time on an already planned business trip. The should take advantage of that while there. Howev
40 DocLightning : So what you're saying is that no President should ever be allowed to travel for pleasure.
41 Toulouse : If you'll permit a "foreigners" opinion... for goodness sake! President Obama took a presidential trip to numerous nations, and his family joined him
42 UAXDXer : For pleasure only, for something that can be done in DC.... no! Not on the tax payers dime.
43 Post contains links Dreadnought : Then they took their 757 without the president to London, purely for a shopping and tourism trip. Take a look below - this was hardly a low-key trip
44 Dtwclipper : So you would be really upset if the President flew to NYC stayed at a $1,7000 a night suite at the Waldorf, took in a Briadway show or two, went to t
45 Seb146 : Right. So, none of that at all was set up by your fly-boy party-boy Bush? None of that had anything to do with Bush? All of that started the SECOND O
46 DocLightning : You can't have dinner in New York in DC. When I lived in New York, I'd get out to other cities all the time. Newsflash: Presidents cost a lot of mone
47 DXing : Why? These kids have a nanny in D.C., called their grandmother. Getting a couple of staffers to come along as nannys, or even bringing grandma along,
48 Dtwclipper : You do realize I was talking about Ronald Reagan's March 1981 visit to New York? My point was, that both GOP and Democratic presidents should be allo
49 DXing : Both trips, Reagans and Obama's I have no quibble with. I don't know the finances of the Reagans trip but in the case of Obama I do know that news re
50 EA772LR : No one here has issues with Obama taking personal time with his family. But we do have issues when he does it on the tax payer dime, while at the sam
51 Post contains links DXing : Guess I was wrong, the 757 won't be deadheading back to Washington, MIchelle and daughters stayed behind in London for some touring. So much for the s
52 Babybus : Is this some kinda 'We love Europe' proving tour? I notice in the UK press they fail to mention that lot going to Paris too. I guess in Paris they don
53 Toulouse : Was actually covered by all the French press (radio anyway which is where I usually listen to the "local" news while in the car).
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