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Palm Pre - Anyone Have One?  
User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3245 times:

So a friend of mine just got the Palm Pre and was showing it to me. I have to admit it feels great in my hand, it is the perfect size. It certainly looks nice, has a great screen, and has some whiz-bang capabilities that future apps will be able to good things with. I have read many reviews on it and while many pan it for some weakness, this looks to be a very strong entry in a just-developing market.

Anyone here have one yet? Anyone getting one? Just curious as it looks to be on my short list for a future phone (give 6 months or so to mature in the market).

Tugg


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

I dont own one, but have seriously considered it once verizon picks it up, supposedly within 6 months.. My only gripes about it are the lack of memory expansion, ie: no micro sd car slot, etc. Nor its quad or dual band capabilites. If the memory issue were resolved, id would say that would be my next phone, but as it were, im weighing my options now.


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

Palm's problem will be that they've produced a device which was somewhat competitive to the iPhone 3G with the iPhone OS 2.x — only days before both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone OS 3.0 were released and the iPhone 3G was slashed to half the Pre's price (after the Pre's mail-in rebate!) but still gets the OS 3.0 as well (like all already existing iPhones do) and thus has access to all the apps for the platform.

For a company in Palm's delicate position they've made a good effort, but I doubt it will manage to save them under the circumstances.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3199 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):

And maybe someday apple will make a phone that can send a picture message.



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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3193 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
Palm's problem will be that they've produced a device which was somewhat competitive to the iPhone 3G with the iPhone OS 2.x — only days before both the iPhone 3GS and the iPhone OS 3.0 were released and the iPhone 3G was slashed to half the Pre's price (after the Pre's mail-in rebate!) but still gets the OS 3.0 as well (like all already existing iPhones do) and thus has access to all the apps for the platform.

For a company in Palm's delicate position they've made a good effort, but I doubt it will manage to save them under the circumstances.

Actually for chronic text'ers the Pre is far superior to the iPhone. You are right about the release date being unfortunate but I think the Palm will do quite well tapping into a market the iPhone can't hit: People desiring a real key board! Now that said, there is a ton of competition already out there in that space, including RIM, and we'll have to see how they do against them. If they can get some app (and from what I hear WebOS is relatively easy to write for) then they will do fine, if not then they will not. Also out there is the competition from Android and the phones that will soon be coming out based on it. Does Android have a "app store" (if not I'm sure Google is working on it as we speak)?


Tugg



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3193 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):
And maybe someday apple will make a phone that can send a picture message.

Even the first iPhone could already send proper emails including pictures for free. But the castrated and atrociously expensive MMS come to all iPhones with the free OS upgrade to 3.0 as well if you absolutely can't live without them.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3190 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Even the first iPhone could already send proper emails including pictures for free.

Yeah, if you emailed them. Does not help the majority of cellphone users who dont have an iphone/mobile email. Sad that a "advanced" phone like the iphone could not do a basic task that any other company worth their salt has been doing for a few years now...

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
But the castrated and atrociously expensive

$9.99 a month and I get UNLIMITED, picture, video, audio and text messaging. Yes, so "atrociously expensive". How much is an iphone data plan again? $39.99 a month? ontop of a voice plan?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3185 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 4):
Actually for chronic text'ers the Pre is far superior to the iPhone. You are right about the release date being unfortunate but I think the Palm will do quite well tapping into a market the iPhone can't hit: People desiring a real key board!

I know it's a widespread assumption that a physical keyboard just has to be better than a virtual touch-screen one, but in practice that assumption just doesn't hold up nearly as well as people believe. Especially not regarding the cramped and apparently not very well made one of the Pre which is necessarily stuck in portrait orientation.

Yes, there is a bit of a learning curve to mastering the virtual iPhone keyboard, but after a while it allows surprisingly fast and effortless input due to the substantial intelligence behind it (like adaptively/predictively resizing the individual buttons' sensitive areas depending on the input sequence). I was surprised that I could even type with my thumb (which is not exactly small) single-handedly and without making any errors on my first try.

Pressing the right one of the multiple fixed, plastic buttons under your thumb can be tricky; And fixed and unalterable assignments force such inconveniences as having to use the tiny buttons even for numerical input where the iPhone can (and does) present a large numerical keypad in place of the textual one. And, of course, input in either landscape or portrait orientation just isn't doable with the same fixed plastic keyboard: You'll always have to turn the device back to portrait mode as soon as it needs textual or numerical input when you're browsing in landscape mode.

Conventional expectations don't really get you as far as you might expect. Text input in a handheld device will never be ideal, but in actual practice the iPhone/iPod Touch isn't nearly as disadvantaged as many people believe before they've tried both side-by-side.

Quoting Tugger (Reply 4):
If they can get some app (and from what I hear WebOS is relatively easy to write for) then they will do fine, if not then they will not.

At least at this point the Pre doesn't support any actual native applications. It only supports web applications (web pages with JavaScript).

Quoting Tugger (Reply 4):
Also out there is the competition from Android and the phones that will soon be coming out based on it. Does Android have a "app store" (if not I'm sure Google is working on it as we speak)?

Oh, sure. They're all breathlessly scrambling to copy the iPhone with its App Store, busily imitating superficial aspects without understanding the deeper concepts behind them.

I'm not saying that the Pre couldn't be a good choice for some, but I'd be careful about making too many assumptions without actually putting them to the test.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3181 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):
Yeah, if you emailed them. Does not help the majority of cellphone users who dont have an iphone/mobile email. Sad that a "advanced" phone like the iphone could not do a basic task that any other company worth their salt has been doing for a few years now...

Being able to communicate through proper internet channels and skipping over a dying legacy protocol which had been invented solely to extort users of less capable phones is more of an asset than a liability,

But they've filled in this marginal gap as well by now, so you can enjoy crippled messaging for an extra fee where proper devices have full capabilities for free.

To each their own, I guess...

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):
$9.99 a month and I get UNLIMITED, picture, video, audio and text messaging. Yes, so "atrociously expensive". How much is an iphone data plan again? $39.99 a month? ontop of a voice plan?

Now that's a real bargain compared to paying nothing extra at all! Proper internet access is a given nowadays – and that includes full regular mail without extra fees whatsoever.

Current MMS price in Germany: 0.39€ per MMS. But I guess the downgraded images will somehow receive gold plating or something at that price.  mischievous 

It's clearly a price set to extort money from people who are stuck to phones which can't do better than that. It's like printing money for the network providers!


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3163 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Now that's a real bargain compared to paying nothing extra at all!

Iphone plans START at 39.99 per month, they top out at $99.99, that does NOT include messaging, which is another $20.00 for unlimited. So One could be paying around $120 a month for a phone that has less capabilities than my 4 year old palm treo. Whereas I pay $20 a month for unlimited messaging and more minutes than I can use every month.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Being able to communicate through proper internet channels and skipping over a dying legacy protocol which had been invented solely to extort users of less capable phones is more of an asset than a liability,

 rotfl  Yes, because probly 99% of the phones on the market that have been released BEFORE and AFTER the iphone have supported this "dying legacy protocol" I guess LG, Motorola, Nokia, RIM, and countless others are all out to extort their users. But not apple. God forbid apple does someting that people WANT. I fail to see the issue with MMS, My phone has a great camera, and for the purpose of mms, sending quick messages on the go, it serves its purpose. I dont need to send a bloody email everytime I want to forward a picture or audio clip to someone. Why make something more difficult than it has to be?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
– and that includes full regular mail without extra fees whatsoever.

Funny, I can go activate a smartphone right now and inlcude unlimited messaging, email, and internet access for less than the cost of an iphone and its monthly service plan. Yes, thats apple saving you money!  sarcastic 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
It's clearly a price set to extort money from people who are stuck to phones which can't do better than that. It's like printing money for the network providers!

And im still paying less per month for my phone than an iphone owner with more capabilities. So tell me just how is apple saving me money?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3051 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 9):
Iphone plans START at 39.99 per month, they top out at $99.99, that does NOT include messaging, which is another $20.00 for unlimited. So One could be paying around $120 a month for a phone that has less capabilities than my 4 year old palm treo. Whereas I pay $20 a month for unlimited messaging and more minutes than I can use every month.

iPhone data plans are priced as full internet flat rates which will see heavy use while data plans for other phones are priced for more or less sporadic use.

Even though the iPhone nominally still has a relatively small market share right now, it already accounts for 2/3rd of all mobile internet use.

Other phones are simply too difficult to use (as you have admitted yourself) to really bother with the internet; It's simply pointless to get a full-fledged data flat rate for one of these since hardly anybody would actually bother to use it that way.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 9):
Yes, because probly 99% of the phones on the market that have been released BEFORE and AFTER the iphone have supported this "dying legacy protocol" I guess LG, Motorola, Nokia, RIM, and countless others are all out to extort their users.

No, they are completely beholden to the network providers which is also apparent in the aggressive branding of their devices (complete with intrusive advertising, crippling of features, forcing of detrimental "options" on the user and so forth). MMS was introduced to sell more "feature phones" with cameras and for creating absurdly overpriced traffic with little if any opportunity of escaping the gouging by the network providers since these phones were (either completely or de facto) incapable of using better alternatives such as email.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 9):
I fail to see the issue with MMS, My phone has a great camera, and for the purpose of mms, sending quick messages on the go, it serves its purpose. I dont need to send a bloody email everytime I want to forward a picture or audio clip to someone. Why make something more difficult than it has to be?

The whole point is that email isn't "difficult". It may be on the phone you've got right now, but on the iPhone it's far simpler, easier and more compatible than MMS could ever be – and it's free on top of everything else.

That MMS is made to look like an attractive option is a result of the deliberate crippling of most phones today. What a pity!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 9):
And im still paying less per month for my phone than an iphone owner with more capabilities.

As you said: The iPhone user has a lot more capabilities and is paying some more for these. But having full and easy internet access instead of crippled and inconvenient substitutes is worth it for a growing number of people who are just fed up with the way things were.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 9):
So tell me just how is apple saving me money?

The main difference between the iPhone and most(?) other phones is that most phones are designed to look good on paper. As long as you keep looking at feature bullet lists they will often come out on top.

The picture changes a lot, unfortunately, when you start to actually use them. The iPhone is designed to be used in real life; Feature lists are not its forte, but what it's got does actually work in practice and is so easy to use that most people will not just try it once and never again as on most other phones but actually make it a part of their daily life because it just works effortlessly all in all.

The difference between theory and practice.

And since I have to pay actual, real money for the device and services I want an actually functioning and usable product in return, not one which could do all kinds of things if I only was motivated enough to fight my way through to them.

But that's just my priority; Yours may differ.


Again to the Pre: It seems the decision to use simple plastic for its screen (instead of the high-grade glass on the iPhone/iPod Touch) has already led to people finding their Pres heavily scratched or cracked after only a few days of normal use:

Protect your Palm Pre screen NOW! | Geek.com

PSA: Pre screen cracks emerge | PreCentral.net


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

I was strongly considering getting one, but the lack of a video camera combined with no visual voicemail turned me off.

Though the real reason I'm not getting one is because of the new Blackberry Tour coming next month.



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2972 times:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Though the real reason I'm not getting one is because of the new Blackberry Tour coming next month.

 checkmark 

My friend sent me the link to it. I've found my new phone  biggrin 



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Just whatever you go for, be sure to actually use it before making your final decision.

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