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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21338 times:

Don't know if this is the appropriate forum for this (moderators, feel free to move it wherever you feel it should be).

Lately, I've seen where the USAF is getting new uniforms.....dress, utility, etc. but can't seem to find any photos of what they look like. Does anyone have any pics of these?


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 21153 times:

As for the USAF dress uniform, it was only a change to the coat. The new coat is commonly referred to as the "heritage coat." The coat was in "wear test" phase but was recently shelved to work on other uniform concerns (namely the Airman Battle Uniform).



The Airman Battle Uniform was rolled out some time ago, with new recruits receiving them beginning in October 2007 (I think).


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 21127 times:

I had understood that the ABU was changing colors. Also, I HAVE seen pictures of the dress uniform with the high collar. The one you posted looks like an older RAF uniform. My brother used to call me a "bus driver" when I wore my older, dress uniform.


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 7 hours ago) and read 21119 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
I had understood that the ABU was changing colors.

I haven't heard that. I do know that when they were first rolled out, there were quality issues with the first batches. One would go to an MCSS and have to pick through the limited stock to find shirt and pants that were the same shade. That issue was fixed though.

The only change that I'm aware of is that a new lighter weight shirt is being tested now. The current version has received complaints that it is too heavy for summer use.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 2):
I HAVE seen pictures of the dress uniform with the high collar.

This one?


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 21081 times:

Yeah, that's the one...........somehow it looks too SS, to me.


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User currently offlineDragon6172 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 hours ago) and read 21066 times:



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 3):
This one?

Maybe they are wearing it wrong, but the belt pratically covering that button looks ridiculous. Maybe its just the Marine in me.



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 21061 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 4):
somehow it looks too SS, to me.

It wasn't very popular from what I remember reading and I don't even think it made it to wear test.

I didn't get the SS vibe, though I did get another one (as did others) when I first saw it:


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months ago) and read 21013 times:

Well, maybe it was the severity of the look that I meant when I said SS. As for the ABU, I thought sure I had seen a pic of it where it was in shades of blue and grey in a camo pattern.


BTW, whatever happened to the uniform that was between the dress blues and the fatigues?....when I went in it was 1505's (khakis) and then it was changed to a oxford cloth shirt and the same pants as the dress blues. There was also the variation of the long sleeve, dark blue, wool shirt, with tie, worn with the dark blue pants.



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User currently offlineCurt22 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 20905 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
Well, maybe it was the severity of the look that I meant when I said SS. As for the ABU, I thought sure I had seen a pic of it where it was in shades of blue and grey in a camo pattern.

Your memory is correct...there was a much "Bluer" tiger stripe pattern tested as the new USAF BDU, but it failed...color was just too obnoxious, so the new digital pattern was adopted that was pictured above.

Personally, I think it's silly that all services now have different digital pattern BDUs when one pattern worked just fine for all for decades...The Services cannot sustain the argument that the environment (Iraq, Afghanistan) are different for soldiers, marines and airmen so they need different uniforms.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20865 times:

Still nothing better looking than a well pressed set of fatigues.


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20440 times:
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Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
As for the USAF dress uniform, it was only a change to the coat. The new coat is commonly referred to as the "heritage coat." The coat was in "wear test" phase but was recently shelved to work on other uniform concerns (namely the Airman Battle Uniform).

AKA the Hap Arnold uniform blazer

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 5):
Maybe they are wearing it wrong, but the belt pratically covering that button looks ridiculous. Maybe its just the Marine in me.

Actually, this option is known as the Billy Mitchell style uniform

Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
Well, maybe it was the severity of the look that I meant when I said SS. As for the ABU, I thought sure I had seen a pic of it where it was in shades of blue and grey in a camo pattern.

It was one of the proposals, but they went for the light shade of green instead


What the USAF is working on, is a summer option for the ABU, like the summer material the BDU has since the current ABU only come with the thinker, winter fabric



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20212 times:

Wow that is UGLY! Just one argument in favor of having gays in the miltiary at least you'd get some decent uniforms.  biggrin 

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 20168 times:

If these are the choices for a dress uniform, I say they go back to the original blues.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20130 times:

The BDU's are cool. But the new dress coat? Ick. That thing looks awful


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20046 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 11):
Wow that is UGLY! Just one argument in favor of having gays in the miltiary at least you'd get some decent uniforms. biggrin

http://www.afblues.com/comics/2009-06-13.jpg
http://www.afblues.com/

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 10):
since the current ABU only come with the thinker, winter fabric

Which was supposed to be "all season."  embarrassed 

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
That thing looks awful

Not to mention that the placement of the belt has to be custom fitted to each person. But if you want to see a truely awful uniform coat, take a gander at this:

This, thankfully, only lasted a year before General Fogleman (who succeded McPeak as USAF Chief of Staff) ordered the return to the previous version.


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 20016 times:



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 14):
But if you want to see a truely awful uniform coat, take a gander at this:

I don't get what is so bad about this. Nothing special but sure a lot better than that leisure suit looking monstrosity posted earlier in the thread.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 19980 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 15):
I don't get what is so bad about this.

Well, asthetically, it really isn't bad. However, it bears a really strong resemblance to the uniform of a Naval Officer (Naval uniforms, IMO, are quite sharp looking). The Air Force has no naval heritage, so a lot of people were  Confused . On top of that, AF Officers didn't like looking like airline pilots.

General McPeak's intention (IIRC) was for a more streamlined, simple look (fewer ribbons, no epaulets). When you compare his uniform coat to this:



he succeeded, but the naval-esque sleeve braid was a major source of resentment. As a result, only a handful of Officers adopted the uniform before it was "no longer authorized."

Interestingly, the current coat (pictured below), incorporates a simple, streamlined look by taking design cues from a business suit (the big, decorative pockets are gone):




However, this coat was due to be replaced by the Hap Arnold coat (the one with the belt) after calls to have a coat with a more military look to it.



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User currently offlineWestJetForLife From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 814 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19845 times:



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 6):

Forgive me for saying this about the United States Air Force, and please don't nuke Calgary for me saying this...but that guy on the right, in the "new" Air Force uniform?

He kinda looks like Heinrich Himmler.

Very scary, I like the current uniforms better.

Nik



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User currently offlineUal777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 19835 times:



Quoting Curt22 (Reply 8):

Personally, I think it's silly that all services now have different digital pattern BDUs when one pattern worked just fine for all for decades...The Services cannot sustain the argument that the environment (Iraq, Afghanistan) are different for soldiers, marines and airmen so they need different uniforms.

The new "digi" camis that the Marines wear are FAR superior to the old BDUs in terms of breaking up the outline of the Marine wearing it.



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 4 days ago) and read 19827 times:



Quoting Ual777 (Reply 18):

The new "digi" camis that the Marines wear are FAR superior to the old BDUs in terms of breaking up the outline of the Marine wearing it.

You missed the point. He was saying why does every branch need their own pattern when they used to all share the same pattern in the past. Why isn't on updated pattern enough.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 19809 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 19):
He was saying why does every branch need their own pattern when they used to all share the same pattern in the past.

How the Armed Forces came to use the same pattern in the past is beyond me. My assumption is that the desire for a uniform more fitting to the current battle environment (urban/desert) and the desire for Generals to leave their own mark on their respective services lead to what we have now.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19558 times:

Not to shamelessly try to bring this back to the top, but I just found this pic I've been looking for. It's me, in my AF blues, posing with my Dad. I think it was taken in the fall of '67, no matter the date on the pic. I was at Shemya in July of '68.






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User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 19489 times:

All the service men and women from all branches that I have seen stationed at Atterbury wear what appear to be the same BDU patterns. And as far as the dress uniform for the USAF officers and NCOs, I prefer the darker blue blazer than the power blue ones (but I am not the CMS or the O-10 so my vote does not count).


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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10351 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19459 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):

Looking at the Cmsgt, wearing the BDUs in the photo, they just seem to get younger and younger, every day....time was, those guys were pretty well grizzled vets.

[Edited 2009-06-29 08:03:59]


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19448 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 23):
.

I've noticed that too. At Kirtland, the Vice Commander looks very young as well and he is a full bird.


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