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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4407 times:

I've got a little dude starting school next year, back in NZ he would be wearing a uniform, nice and easy for mum and dad, same clothes everyday, no need for additional clothing, unfortunately here in Norway they don't have uniforms, this is supposed to give children sense of individuality (funny since Norwegians aren't very good at individuality, but that's another story) but not good for mum and dad. I wore a uniform everyday of my school life except my final year when we were allowed to wear mufti, I think it would be great if Norwegian schools introduced a uniform, so what are your opinion, for or against.

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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4401 times:

For,

We had them when we lived in Australia and it does save money. It also puts all kids at the same level as it eliminates the "I wear designer clothes" bit.

When we came back to the States we lost the uniforms and it did get expensive. And even in elementary school kids were brand focused.


User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3787 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4396 times:

One topic discussed to death in Germany over and over again...

I do see the positive effects in terms of everybody having the same appearance, but I prefer how it is in Germany and Denmark, because some individuality does not hurt either.

Also, I recall watching the girls wearing their g-strings was quite a nice memory from good old school times  Wink

So, a clear no from me.


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4386 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
Also, I recall watching the girls wearing their g-strings was quite a nice memory from good old school times

They can still wear a g string in a school uniform skirt


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4386 times:



Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
Also, I recall watching the girls wearing their g-strings was quite a nice memory from good old school times Wink

They can still wear g-strings under the uniforms. Big grin


User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4381 times:

I've got mixed feelings.

On the one hand, uniforms equalize status among peers. On the other, it celebrates forced conformity.


User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1672 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4372 times:

I hated the idea of uniforms when they were made mandatory in the Philadelphia Public School District during my junior year of high school. We lost our individuality and the right to express ourselves. Having a dress code is one thing (no short shorts, see-thru clothing, etc.), but to tell students they can only wear certain colors - in my case, khaki and navy blue - is a terrible idea. I happen to despise khaki, and so did a lot of people I went to school with, but no one cared.

The school district tried to justify it as stopping problems because kids who have money will stop picking on those who don't, and designer clothes wouldn't be as big a deal. Guess what. I don't come from money. In fact, even to this day, I can't comprehend people who spend $200 on a pair of jeans. Not having designer clothes never bothered me one bit. I never cared, and I will never care what people think of how I look. I am an individual.

If you want a good laugh, the uniform policy came into effect while my English class was reading 1984. Everyone in my class found that ironic.

Marc


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4357 times:

For:

Kids aren't there in school to make a fashion statement or bruise egos.They're there to get a good future.Of course,that won't ever happen in US public schools.

Oh,wait a minute.Obama is in office.Maybe the uniform dress code would pass,uncontested by the ACLU and media.   

Note: As so far as I know,there was never a uniform public school policy in SoCal schools.

[Edited 2009-06-14 11:53:34]


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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4356 times:

I'm fine with them in elementary and middle school, but not high school. By that point, kids should be allowed to start expressing themselves through their clothing choices.


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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4343 times:



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 7):
Note: As so far as I know,there was never a uniform public school policy in SoCal schools.

We need a uniform dress code here in SoCal because of all the gang violence in the schools - even at the elementary level. It's a shame, but the gangs have infiltrated the schools at all grade levels - with parents even driving their gang-bangers kids to gang-fights here in Long Beach.  vomit 



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4326 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
By that point, kids should be allowed to start expressing themselves through their clothing choices.

Ah but who buys those clothes?


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4318 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
Ah but who buys those clothes?

Either the kids or the parents. I'm certainly not suggesting that parents aren't going to have some influence over their high schoolers' clothing choices, but I don't think that's the school's role.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4312 times:

Absolutely not. Not only does that keep us from having some individuality at school, but it's also a waste of money. Here in Costa Rica, school uniforms are mandatory since you start in Kindergarten. Previously, all schools had a standardised uniform (a light blue, skant like shirt with blue trousers (for girls, a dress like uniform) for Kindergarten, white shirt with blue trousers/skirts for primary school, and light blue shirts and blue trousers/skirts in secondary school), but now, all schools are getting, little by little, their own uniform design (mostly just the shirt) and that alone costs money.

And people wonder in Costa Rica why so many kids drop out of school. It's not just because most teachers are academically incompetent, but also because the costs for text books (most of which don't even have subsidy from the central government) and uniforms exceed the budget of those who barely have enough money for food and water.

As for the academically incompetent part, the problem is that in Costa Rica, the public school system requires you to learn things from memory and not make comprehension exercises. I went to the German School (which BTW is getting less money from the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs each year, because less students pass the German Sprachdiplom exams), and I've seen part of the system that I was used to (learn, comprehend, learn only the essentials by memory and understand the subject first and foremost), and a system that gave me a headache during each exam (the Costa Rican system, learn everything by memory, understand only the essentials). Just as a little background information, so you know how the system is constantly failing in this country, because of academic failures and too small budgets.


User currently offlineFlybaurLAX From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4301 times:

In high school we didn't have to wear uniforms, but there was a dress code. We had to wear collared shirts, except for Wednesdays, where we could wear Tshirts that were affiliated with our school; such as club shirts, or shirts with the school's logo, or anything revolving around the school. When we were seniors we got to wear affiliated tshirts every day of the week, which was kinda nice. Of course we had to dress up in tie every once in a while for certain occasions, but overall it was a positive experience since we could be individuals while standing out from the rest of the neigborhood (I went to Loyola high school in LA).


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User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4284 times:

I wore a school uniform and adhered to a grooming policy for twelve years and though there were times when I was annoyed with having to wear the same thing daily(x 12 years), in immediate hindsight I see the rationale. Growing up, adolescence, and high school can be difficult enough as it is IMO, and not being judged on my appearance at school was one thing, perhaps even the one thing that I did not have to worry about. We judged each other on academic ability, athletic ability, the way we spoke, the way we walked, the way we thought: you name it, we judged each other by it--particularly during the middle school years. There was enough going on during adolescence as it was, and appearance would have been an easy target. I speak mostly to the middle school years, and being at an all-male high school, I honestly don't know that we would have been extremely judgmental of clothing--particularly in later years. Nevertheless, uniforms cost money, but I don't think my parents or my classmates' parents will argue that they spent more on uniforms than what they would have otherwise.

Ironically, wearing a formal uniform ingrained a bit of clothing etiquette in me and that appearance does matter at times. I've found that my college has tried to ingrain the importance of proper attire for career interviews, and I've seen many of my classmates go to job interviews while dressed sloppily(untucked shirt, sloppy facial hair, improper footwear etc.). Perhaps unsurprisingly, I and my classmates who used to wear uniforms, never have had this problem.

Do I believe that clothing reflects personal identity? Yes, wholeheartedly, but I also have come to believe that personal identity is not just a fashion statement, even if fashion is part of one's identity and certainly the most visible part.

Though I left the daily formal classroom attire behind when I graduated high school, I nevertheless feel like my K-12 years were probably made a little bit easier because my outward appearance was nearly identical to my peers, and if nothing else, I also learned how to dress professionally when required.

That's my  twocents 



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4261 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
but it's also a waste of money

It's not it saves parents money, it's been proven many times over.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7719 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

Definitely yes. School uniform is a great leveller.


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User currently offlineEASTERN From United States of America, joined May 2009, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4238 times:

I went to both public and private school growing up. At first, I resisted the uniforms for my private high school. After a few months I realized how easy it was and how much I enjoyed it. We had to wear a blazer or wool sweater with the school emblem, with a white button down, a tie, and khaki/blue/black/gray pants. A few months during the summer we were allowed to wear polo shirts as the building was ancient and didn't have air conditioning. We also had strict grooming guidelines that stated we could not have facial hair, unnaturally colored hair, etc.

I never had to think about what I wore in the morning. I don't think that it discouraged individuality. We all had our distinct personalities and knew each other. We didn't need clothes to say who we were. It also did save our family money.

I am a big supporter of uniforms. I remember in middle school being made fun of because at the time my family could not afford Nike's. We did not have this in private school. We went to school, focused on our academics, and that was it. When I graduated and went to college, I really started missing my uniform!



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

I had to wear uniforms during grades 6-8 and I hated it, as did everybody else. I just couldn't help but get the impression that some of the teachers were constantly on the verge of wetting themselves over how "professional" and "intelligent" we looked.  yuck  It made me sick. Then our class went on a field trip to see some play and the theater staff thought we were from some def school because of the outfits...  bored 


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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

In theory I agree with school uniforms, it should make school life a whole lot easier. However, in my personal experience, it doesn't necessarily alleviate issues around who can/can't afford designer labels etc.

I was at secondary school here in London from 1978 to 1983, and we were required (as were the majority of other schools in London) to wear a uniform. Ours was black blazer with school badge, a white or grey shirt, school tie, black or dark grey trousers and black shoes. For PE we had to wear a plain white t-shirt, white shorts and socks and white trainers. All fairly standard stuff. However, at the time, "designer labels" was starting to creep into the global vocabulary, and consequently it then became important in my school to wear a particular brand of white or grey shirt, a particular brand of black or grey trousers and a particular style of black shoes. And don't get me started on the traumas that we went through making sure that we conformed when it came to PE kit, especially in the trainers department!

So even within the bounds of a specified uniform, if your family couldn't afford to buy you what was considered fashionable, you were still given a hard time.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4201 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
It's not it saves parents money, it's been proven many times over.

Could you please show me where it has been proven? From my personal experience, it is a waste of money. After all, at least in Costa Rica, parents have to buy new uniforms, new trousers for uniforms each year, and people rarely get any subsidy for that (and if they do, it's very small and insufficient). Don't forget that kids grow over the years and also, that some schools change the uniforms each year. At my school, after I graduated from 12th grade (which was the only year when we were no longer forced to wear a uniform), they started to change uniforms each year. One year they were brown, another year they were pink, and so on. And when I was there, the worst part is when you met teachers, who would harass you for being even slightly out of uniform (e.g., if your shirt wasn't tucked in properly, or if it was one of those rare days, when everyone could come in street clothes).

And even for the standard uniforms, they're always made of very thin fabric, which can easily tear apart. Like I said, it's a waste of money, especially if they're implemented in public school systems, where subsidies for low income families are either inexistent, or simply insufficient to cover the costs of buying uniforms, textbooks, etc. It's better to have a general dresscode (in the sense that students can wear something casual, but not too casual) than enforcing the use of the uniform that is only good for a year or less.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3691 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Here in the UK school uniform is more or less mandatory for everyone up to 16 years old.
There may be a school or two somewhere that doesn't have unifrom, bu i'm not aware of them.
6th form 16-18 year olds) wear whatever they want.

Tops are normally sourced through the school, as they have the school logo on them, they tend to be hard wearing and competitively priced. Trousers/skirts have to conform to a school colour (usually black or grey) be of a plainish style, and can be bought from one of the big supermarkets (most seem to come from Asda or Tesco)

IMO the advantages are:
Less expensive than much of the normal childrens clothing
Harder wearing
More practical for school activities
provides an identity for the school
Makes truancy more difficult, as they stick out when they skive off school and hang about in their logoed clothing

Disadvantages:

Er none

My wife has two cousins, one bringing up a child in Texas, and one in Carlsbad, both say they would prefer the Uk system of having a uniform.

One thing I would say is, that though we have a uniform, not everyone looks the same, because their is normally some freedom regarding trousers/ skirts etc, you do see slight variations, unlike when I've visited former UK colony islands in the Carribbean, where the school uniform appears to be absoloutely uniform, and every child is turned out immaculately.


User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4188 times:



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 21):
Makes truancy more difficult, as they stick out when they skive off school and hang about in their logoed clothing

I would disgaree with that, or at least I would from the time when I was at school. I once bunked off school and caught the train down to LGW to do a few hours spotting on the viewing deck...all the time sporting my full school uniform. No one turned a hair, questioned me or even looked at me twice!! Big grin

Granted, things may have changed these days.



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4159 times:



Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
They can still wear a g string in a school uniform skirt

Which is even hotter than wearing one under a pair of jeans!


User currently offlineJetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2845 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4161 times:
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I am mixed. I currently attend a school that requires a uniform and my previous school required a uniform. Although it is nice to get a casual day once in a while it is nice to be able to just get up and throw on the uniform instead of having to think about what I want to wear. The thing with casual is I can find something that is comfortable because the school pants always aren't. Another thing though too is the school uniforms are extremely expensive. I know when I buy a set its not uncommon for it to reach $175.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 2):
Also, I recall watching the girls wearing their g-strings was quite a nice memory from good old school times Wink

Oh trust me that is still a good part of school Big grin.
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25 LTBEWR : The growing popularity of uniforms or specific clothing and appearance requirements in our USA public (government run) schools is due to several facto
26 AirframeAS : When I was in school, I never was required to wear a uniform. We never had uniforms back in those days. Having a uniform while in high school defied
27 Us330 : I always thought the nicest part of having uniforms was that it bought you 15 minutes of extra sleep in the morning, since you knew what you were goin
28 VonRichtofen : I would vote "Yey". I wish my school had uniforms when I was in Junior High. It would have saved me almost daily ridicule and embarrassment because I
29 ACDC8 : Your lucky, I had some of my sister's hand me downs ..... yikes! That made high school alot of fun ... I'm for school uniforms. I went to a private s
30 VonRichtofen : I had some hand me downs from my sister as well...but luckily for me she was a total tom boy
31 KSYR : I went to a public middle school and then a private high school. Neither one required uniforms, although the private school had a pretty reasonable dr
32 Dreadnought : I think most people miss the point. Yes, it levels the playing field as far as fashion goes. But that is not the most important factor at play. When y
33 Photopilot : Hell, I wore a school uniform all through high-school (G9 through G13) and agree fully that it's a great idea. It gave a sense of unity to the school
34 LTU932 : I fully agree with that statement. A reasonable dress code is much better than either school uniforms, or badly dressed students.
35 Mir : Nay on uniforms, but yea on dress codes. -Mir
36 MD11Engineer : Concerning individuality, I don't know how many people in here (from non-school uniform countries) have ever served in some uniformed service (militar
37 AirframeAS : Not anymore. A lot of companies have really relaxed the dress codes in recent years. It makes the workplace seem less tense and invites a lot of free
38 Kent350787 : Most schoolkids here in Australia wear uniforms, both public and private schools. I wore one all my school life, and my son (second year of primary/el
39 WildcatYXU : Uniform at school? ABSOLUTELY NOT! At least not as London's CCH done it. Shitty quality overpriced pieces of junk that our daughter is forced to wear.
40 2707200X : Long Beach Unified has had a school uniform policy for fourteen or fifteen years now, it has not done much to improve test scores though in school vio
41 Post contains links Dreadnought : As it happens there was a press release just the other day. http://www.lbusd.k12.ca.us/uniforms/article_14.cfm After two full years of required schoo
42 AirframeAS : In other words, the schools are more worried and focused about driving in revenue than actual education. Very sad, if you ask me....
43 Cgnnrw : I attended a Catholic elementary school and we had to wear a uniform. I think it did save my parents money. My mom bought 3-4 short sleeve shirts for
44 KiwiRob : Which is pretty cheap considering a pair of levis are about $150 - $200, plus t-shirt, hoodie, socks, shoes. My last school everything was the same,
45 KiwiRob : Considering kids in the US have a short school day and a shorter school year thyan most other countries, I'd be more worried about how stupid America
46 MD11Engineer : When I was in highschool in the early 1980s, the kids used to "uniform" themselves, by wearing typical clothes for their clique, to be recognised ins
47 Fxramper : I wore a uniform from kindergarten through my 10th grade year (sophomore) year in high school. Attended chapel every Wednesday. Agree with you 100%.
48 AM744 : I'm all for uniforms in elementary and middle schools. Discipline is good. Knowing that you can't have it your way all the time is a valuable learning
49 Yellowstone : Who buys their kid $150 jeans? Raise your kid to know how to dress nicely without relying on brand names, and you can assemble an outfit for somethin
50 AirframeAS : Test scores are one thing which has no impact on what a kid wears to school, but when it comes to money greedy school districts then that is a total
51 Jcs17 : I hated every moment and every demerit I got while wearing my school uniform from 6th to 12th grade, but now I recognize it was a really good thing. I
52 WarRI1 : As someone who went to school in the forties and fifties and came from a large family with little money, My brothers and sisters would have loved to b
53 DocLightning : How about expressing themselves through their ACTIONS? If there's one point that I keep trying to hammer into kids it's that YOU ARE NOT YOUR CLOTHES
54 Yellowstone : Why not allowing kids to express themselves through both actions and clothing choice? And that expression is not nearly as simplistic as picking out
55 Dreadnought : You are not at school to express yourself. You are at school to learn. There is a time and a place for everything - express yourself after school.
56 Yellowstone : The First Amendment also applies on school grounds, albeit in a more restricted form than elsewhere--see Tinker v. Des Moines. When student expressio
57 DocLightning : We agree again. OMG. *makes a psychiatrist appointment* I can't tell you, in my work with teenagers, how much time I see kids, especially the girls,
58 Dreadnought : I promise not to tell anyone...
59 Yellowstone : That's the problem with self-expression. Some people wind up expressing their idiocy. However, it's also perfectly possible for people to wear non-un
60 Swoosh : Sorry but I believe I have missed something. Since when was going to school about being expressing your individuality? It thought I went to school to
61 KiwiRob : There appears to be a difference between those in school or who have recently left and older folks who have or had children, basically those who are a
62 DocLightning : Define that. When I was in high school, those white baseball caps were all the rage...all cloth ones with the name of a team on the front. You had to
63 B6JFKH81 : Yey for me. Between kids being in gangs and showing their colors, girls dressing like sluts, boys dressing like thugs, teasing and bullying due to clo
64 Luckyone : As someone who wore uniforms for five or six years I can attest they are nothing to complain about. We had a choice of five or six colors for shirts,
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