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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3541 times:

I always thought that ABC, of the 3 broadcast networks, has traditionally been the fairest of the bunch. I watched ABC News religiously in the days of Frank Reynolds, whom I mourned greatly at his death - it was like a certain father figure from my youth had passed away. Reynolds was so well respected that Ronald and Nancy Reagan attended his funeral at Arlington (he had been a decorated NCO in WWII). Peter Jennings who stepped over from the London desk to take over Frank's chair and did a fair job as well.

What I admired with them is that you had in impossible time trying to figure out if they were Republican or Democrat. Reynolds was absolutely equitable - I still have no idea who he might have voted for. Jennings was a bit more transparent, but still very good at trying to stay balanced.

Forget all that now. ABC is starting next week a huge PR campaign in support of Obama's health care reform, including hosting ABC News from the White House and a deluge of special programming in prime time, Good Morning America, Nightline, and so on. The promotion will last 9 days.

So far, no serious problems - it is news after all. But here's the rub:

ABC has decided to exclude any opposing viewpoints from the discussion!

I find that unbelievable. I hope ABC's news division gets boycotted for this and the entire lot gets sacked (at least all those that approved this move). If Obama and the Democrats are to have such a blatant infomercial, they should have to pay for the airtime.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flashaot.htm

Frank Reynolds must be spinning in his grave at 6,000 RPM.

[Edited 2009-06-16 15:05:38]


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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3522 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Frank Reynolds must be spinning in his grave at 6,000 RPM.

I find the whole drudge report and RNC whining petty.
1. The request that was specifically denied was on June,24. Not the other 9 days.
2. The RNC is ASSUMING and BLATENTLY casting away ABC news anchors ability to formulate questions.

Quite frankly Frank Reynolds would be rolling in his grave if any organization attempted to impose themselves in on an event like this and attempted to undermine the Journalist credibility and ability to discern for themselves what questions they should ask.

The President is the Chief Executive. He is introducing a broad plan to the people, and quite honestly I would happy to hear what the plan is prior to the Republican party trying to oppose it.

Please note it is the republican party making the request, not a bunch of qualified Financial, Educational , and Health Professionals.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

This was so well said before, let's use it again!

"Dude, if you are going to tell these stories please reference legitmate web-sites.
Drudge is not one of these"


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3410 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
ABC has decided to exclude any opposing viewpoints from the discussion!

Don't sweat it - here is no one else that (cough) does this sort of (cough - FOX) thing (FOX).



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):
Don't sweat it - here is no one else that (cough) does this sort of (cough - FOX) thing (FOX).

Take care of that cold, PC12Fan, it sounds pretty bad.   

By the way, Charles, where was your moning when FOX made such a huge deal out of the Tea Parties? Ah, slipped your mind, did it? I thought so......

[Edited 2009-06-16 19:58:19]

User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Ahhh who cares anymore. Regardless who is in office, the country is going to hell in a hand basket and all I'll say is enjoy the ride with me.


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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3311 times:



Quoting JakeOrion (Reply 5):
Ahhh who cares anymore. Regardless who is in office, the country is going to hell in a hand basket and all I'll say is enjoy the ride with me.

Somehow, I think if God were elected president you would still be right.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3295 times:



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 6):
Somehow, I think if God were elected president you would still be right.

Oh, I thought he was.  Yeah sure  duck 



In response to the thread title, "ABC News Sinks to New Lows" I thought the answer was going to be that they hired Keith Obermann or Chris Matthews.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3293 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
"Dude, if you are going to tell these stories please reference legitmate web-sites.

Dude did you just pull a Carlos Mencia on my line?

Honestly I have some legitimate ethical problems with what is going on.

Is this a reward for ABC for "Towing the line" as it where.

Is the president granting them favored status which will reflect happily on their bottom line and ratings?

Traditionallly if the president had a speach all three networks covered it. That isn't happening here.



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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3276 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 7):
Oh, I thought he was.     

As though that line were not already shredded to death.

The president has a great deal of hope from a great deal of people invested in him. That's not a bad thing, nor is it grounds for a cult of personality nor hero worship. By all accounts, he is an intelligent and thoughtful man. Why is it so hard to think that, just maybe, he will be be able to do some good?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3264 times:



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
just maybe, he will be be able to do some good?

Why not???

1. he is a democrat
2. he has a left wing voting record
3. he is a politician, which by definition means he lies.



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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3252 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Why not???

1. he is a democrat
2. he has a left wing voting record
3. he is a politician, which by definition means he lies.

Well, given (3), above, a republican, the antithesis of (1), above, would be similarly poor, right?



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3240 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
By the way, Charles, where was your moning when FOX made such a huge deal out of the Tea Parties? Ah, slipped your mind, did it? I thought so......

How is the Shep Smith thread going? Your missed over there like Nikv69.  footinmouth 


User currently offlineNorthstarBoy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3220 times:
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Let's not blame ABC, if there's blame to go around, let's blame Obama instead. For the first time in eight years we have a president who understands the power of mass media and is willing to use that power to his own advantage. He wants to take his message directly to the public. The best way to do that is to go on television and pitch his case. There's no better time to do that than during prime time, when most of the Americans who will be affected by this will be tuned in. They'll turn around and put pressure on their congressmen and senators to vote with the president.

Obama is also playing fair. He granted NBC unprecedented access for their two night special, so if ABC makes a similar request, how's it going to look if he gives NBC an exclusive but doesn't grant ABC an equal but different exclusive? Like he's playing favorites with NBC?

As for the GOP and their cries of unfairness, it's just sour grapes IMO. As much as Obama has a mandate from his base to change the system, I'm sure the GOP is also feeling the pressure from their constituents to keep the status quo, what amounts to a three class medical system, intact. Those who have the most get the best care by the best physicians in the best hospitals, those who have the least have to go to overcrowded inner city hospitals. I'm sure the privileged few like that system just the way it is. "Keep the riffraff out of our hospitals please." Mr. Obama is begging to differ and the GOP doesn't like that, well, too bad, you lost. Our guy's in office now. Change is a bitter pill to swallow for those who benefit from the status quo, i'd recommend they just grit their teeth and swallow that pill, it's going to happen whether they want it to or not.



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3165 times:



Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 3):
on't sweat it - here is no one else that (cough) does this sort of (cough - FOX) thing (FOX).

God forbid one station broadcasts from a right-of-center viewpoint, as opposed to the following stations which broadcast from a left-of-center to a leftist viewpoint:

CNN
CNN - Headline News
MSNBC
ABC
NBC
CBS

The more and more I hear liberals whine about Fox News, the more and more I believe they think the media should strictly be the mouthpiece for the DNC -- without regard to neutrality.

Anyway, as for the thread topic. Are you really surprised? What's even more apalling is that no other stations are questioning this. Instead, I have a feeling they are kicking themselves since they didn't get the invite.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3156 times:



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 14):
The more and more I hear liberals whine about Fox News

This makes me laugh. You're complaining about liberals whining about Fox News? Look around you on this board! You can't have a political discussion here without conservatives falling back on the argument that the media is liberal. Hell, I think that's all that L-188 knows how to say!  Silly When you run out of arguments, blame the liberal media. Don't bother with supporting your argument, just throw the label out there.

It's not the same as when someone criticizes Fox for presenting a lie as fact, and brings the facts to back it up. If you can *substantiate* your criticism of other media outlets like people do when criticizing Fox, you'll get further in your arguments. But until then, stop using it as a crutch.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 14):
Are you really surprised? What's even more apalling is that no other stations are questioning this.

Maybe it's because everyone else read the whole article, including the conclusion:

Quote:
"ABCNEWS Senior Vice President Kerry Smith on Tuesday responded to the RNC complaint, saying it contained 'false premises':

"ABCNEWS prides itself on covering all sides of important issues and asking direct questions of all newsmakers -- of all political persuasions -- even when others have taken a more partisan approach and even in the face of criticism from extremes on both ends of the political spectrum. ABCNEWS is looking for the most thoughtful and diverse voices on this issue.

"ABCNEWS alone will select those who will be in the audience asking questions of the president. Like any programs we broadcast, ABC News will have complete editorial control. To suggest otherwise is quite unfair to both our journalists and our audience."

Sounds like you guys shouldn't simply accept as gospel the words of the RNC. ESPECIALLY if you're going to criticize the media for being liberally biased.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 3114 times:

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
As though that line were not already shredded to death.

Well, excuse me for not researching snappy one liners. If you're going to leave a straight line out there, you've got to expect a comeback.

That comeback is really more of a comment on the people that fawn all over him rather than the man himself.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
The president has a great deal of hope from a great deal of people invested in him. That's not a bad thing, nor is it grounds for a cult of personality nor hero worship. By all accounts, he is an intelligent and thoughtful man. Why is it so hard to think that, just maybe, he will be be able to do some good?

Sorry, if I just based what I thought on his experience level and not his personality. The sooner we start putting leaders in power that have nothing to do with their looks or style, the better off we'll all be, no matter which side you're on.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
just maybe

I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a little more certainty than "just maybe". That's almost as vague as "change" and "hope".

[Edited 2009-06-17 07:13:00]


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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3037 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
It's not the same as when someone criticizes Fox for presenting a lie as fact, and brings the facts to back it up. If you can *substantiate* your criticism of other media outlets like people do when criticizing Fox, you'll get further in your arguments. But until then, stop using it as a crutch.

"Presenting a lie as fact"... I guess that's what journalism errors are called if you are a right-of-center news organization. I would also posit that there have been many, many more "presenting a lie as fact" by liberal news outlets. After all, American liberalism as a whole deals tends to favor emotional arguments over facts and logic -- and actually the healthcare debate is a perfect example of that.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3025 times:



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
"Presenting a lie as fact"... I guess that's what journalism errors are called if you are a right-of-center news organization.

"Obama went to school at a madrassa in Indonesia." - Steve Doocy. That's not journalistic error, that's reporting a lie and presenting it as fact, and it has happened more than once at Fox News.

Now, when it happens at other media outlets, you'll note that I rail on them too. If you have paid much attention to my posts over the last 10 years, you'll know that I absolutely HATE the media, and I'm not afraid of calling anyone out.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
After all, American liberalism as a whole deals tends to favor emotional arguments

Irrelevant and off topic.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
the healthcare debate

Irrelevant and off topic.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2978 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
After all, American liberalism as a whole deals tends to favor emotional arguments

Irrelevant and off topic.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
the healthcare debate

Irrelevant and off topic.

When did you become a moderator?



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User currently offlineCws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2957 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
Quoting Cws818 (Reply 9):
As though that line were not already shredded to death.

Well, excuse me for not researching snappy one liners. If you're going to leave a straight line out there, you've got to expect a comeback.

That wasn't my intention in making the comment. My point was more that if, say, George Washington were to rise from the grave and become president tomorrow, we would probably still find a din of discord and displeasure.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
I don't know about you, but I'd rather have a little more certainty than "just maybe". That's almost as vague as "change" and "hope".

So would I. Who wouldn't? But when things that have not yet come to be are at issue, it is rare, indeed, to have such certainty. Additionally, "'change' and 'hope'" are not really bad things.



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User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2915 times:



Quoting Cws818 (Reply 20):
That wasn't my intention in making the comment. My point was more that if, say, George Washington were to rise from the grave and become president tomorrow, we would probably still find a din of discord and displeasure.

My point was more about how the President has been fawned over, during the election and after and the behavior of the people doing the fawning.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2912 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 19):
When did you become a moderator?

It was such an obvious case of misdirection that it had to be noted.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8278 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2900 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Is the president granting them favored status which will reflect happily on their bottom line and ratings?

Traditionallly if the president had a speach all three networks covered it. That isn't happening here.

I seem to remember Obama (and Bush) working with all three traditional networks and also CNN. It appears that FOX is the only one that can't get both sides to give them the time of day.

ABC is running a major story on health care and they are getting support of politicians. The other networks have the same OPPORTUNITY. Get real.

Quoting Mayor (Reply 16):
Sorry, if I just based what I thought on his experience level and not his personality.

Why not compare his level of education with that of the previous president. Oooops! That would be embarrassing.

Quoting Cws818 (Reply 20):
My point was more that if, say, George Washington were to rise from the grave and become president tomorrow, we would probably still find a din of discord and displeasure.

Sorry, but if Old George were to come back to life he would be surprised about a lot of things, like cars, planes, the internet, cable TV (or just TV in general) air conditioning, etc.

He would also what happened to slavery. Probably be surprised that women and people or color can vote, or own property.

I think he would be impressed with advances in health care, but I doubt that he would be impressed with conservatives putting the well being of insurance companies above the health of the citizens.


User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10427 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days ago) and read 2806 times:



Quoting Ken777 (Reply 23):
Why not compare his level of education with that of the previous president. Oooops! That would be embarrassing.

Why does every discussion of Obama have to revert back to what Bush was or wasn't? I'm talking about Obama, here and not Bush. Bush was a monumental mistake and we all KNOW THAT. How about, when we state something about Obama (without any reference to Bush) that you respond to THAT instead of deflecting it by throwing Bush in the mix.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
25 Jcs17 : Ummm.... yeah. You might want to do some elementary research before you decide to denigrate anyone's level of education. Bush - BA, Yale. MBA, Harvar
26 DXing : I've never understood this. The Drudge Report is, by and large, a collection of news stories and op ed pieces written by other orginizations and peop
27 D L X : Dude, he graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, and was the president of the Harvard Law Review. Then he was a professor at Chicago Law School.
28 Mayor : Ok, you can quit drooling, now.....................
29 Yellowstone : Why should the president go and speak on Fox News? Aside from maybe Shep Smith and Brit Hume, they're an unabashedly conservative news outlet. Obama
30 IgneousRocks : Uh, no. Obama knows he won't get slow-pitch softball questions on FOX.
31 D L X : Whatever dude. It was in direct response to someone calling into question his education. Correct. Since his election, Obama has not done cable at all
32 EA772LR : Because he has shown no leadership qualities, never held a position of responsibility (don't give me Community Organizer BS and he campaigned for mos
33 DXing : Until he does his quips about Fox News look petty and are unsubstantiated. Then he won't be suprised will he. He should be ready to answer tough ques
34 DXing : In plain english, "we're going to make damn sure there isn't a single person in the audience that doesn't support the President lock, stock, and barr
35 D L X : Sure. Keep playing that violin.
36 Yellowstone : You misunderstand me. Tough questions are one thing, and I'd hope Obama would be willing to go on a show where he got them. Unfair interviews, of whi
37 DXing : Which in no way disputes the coment. If O'Reilly were the only interviewer on Fox that statement might have some validity. Chris Wallace, Greta, hell
38 Yellowstone : Fair enough, so I'll throw out another possible reason. Obama feels that Fox News does not give his proposals fair treatment, that they automatically
39 Mayor : And MY post was in direct response to this part of your statement, which was really not needed............ You didn't have to say "incredible". You c
40 DXing : Even more reason to go on the network and confront what he feels is unfair treatment head on. Then he can say he straightened them out or say with va
41 D L X : It's not "fawning" over him to call him an incredible student when he was *objectively* an incredible law student. That is just a fact. Now, I'd agre
42 Cws818 : He was a state legislator for quite some time. Not the most important job in the world, but clearly a position of responsibility.
43 Mayor : Not in the state of Illinois, it isn't. Especially since the state is virtually run from Chicago. Matter of fact, ex-gov Blago didn't even live or wo
44 Blackbird : I personally think that it's right for a media outlet to show only one side of the argument, and exclude any arguments to the contrary. Media is suppo
45 Ihadapheo : Propaganda is a good thing??, I have to disagree as I am of the mind that new outlets show present the news in a neutral fashion as possible. Give us
46 Mayor : Not sure but I think Blackbird meant to put a "don't" in there, somewhere.
47 FreequentFlier : Most of the media is in the tank for this administration. I'm only surprised that some people are surprised by this.
48 Yellowstone : No, he doesn't. The way Fox News presents his actions and policy proposals already constitutes unfair treatment of Obama. He doesn't need to suppose
49 EA772LR : Quite some time? You're joking right? He was elected to the Senate in 2004, and began campaigning less than two years later. Hardly qualifies him. Ye
50 Cws818 : No, I am not joking. Yes, I m serious. You will note that being elected to the State Legislature of Illinois preceded his being elected to the United
51 Post contains links Zentraedi : Interestingly enough, this was the top link in the politics section of reddit: http://www.dailykostv.com/w/001852/ Basically, ABC bending over for Oba
52 Pyrex : They went to the same university, what the hell do you want to compare? He was on Stephen Colbert just last week. Objectively, an "incredible" law st
53 Blackbird : Whoops! I meant to say that I don't think it's a good idea for a media outlet to engage in propaganda
54 D L X : ?? and how has he "shat upon" contract law? And how has he "shat upon" the first amendment?
55 EA772LR : No it's not. Obama had ZERO executive experience. At least she had some. My point is that during the 2008 campaign, Obama held no more experience to
56 D L X : In this incredibly silly argument, you have conflated the two meanings of the word executive, one being a constitutional definition, and one being a
57 Mayor : Well, at least as much as Obama! Comparing a Senator's "executive" experience with a Governor's "executive" experience is much like comparing that Da
58 D L X : Well, considering a presidential campaign is like running a very large company (think about how many employees there were under him), I'd say that th
59 Yellowstone : Not for an interview, though. Also, the Daily Show and the Colbert Report are comedy programs, not news programs.
60 EA772LR : Perhaps you didn't notice the obvious sarcastic tone... You're blowing so much smoke. What an absolute joke. He ran a presidential campaign, so that
61 Mayor : Well, considering that the candidate doesn't actually "run" the campaign, I'd say it did nothing to enhance his "executive" experience. That argument
62 Yellowstone : Unless you're going with the conspiracy theory that candidates are figureheads for shadowy groups that run their campaign, the yes, a candidate does
63 TUNisia : I don't agree with you, but if you're so upset why don't you do something about it? Make phone calls, go to DC and protest, and pass out leaflets wit
64 D L X : There you go being respectful again... No, his being a senator for four years gives him the credentials to run the country. But you weren't talking a
65 Pyrex : By 1. the way he handled the Chrysler bankruptcy, putting junior creditors in front of senior creditors and 2. the speech he gave regarding Sotomayor
66 D L X : Well, you're a whole lot closer with #1 than you are with #2 (which is completely baseless). As to your first point, contract law is not exactly rele
67 EA772LR : Huh?? I'm not being disrespectful...I didn't call u an idiot. I just said you were blowing smoke. I wasn't inferring you were a joke either. What you
68 D L X : I'm not going to have this silly argument again. Sorry. When you pull out things like this, it shows that you're just parroting the spin that Republi
69 Mayor : Why don't you leave the moderating job to the moderators? This isn't a courtroom. I believe you're just as guilty of this as anyone else. The problem
70 D L X : What problem? No. I don't see how my telling another poster that he was being disrespectful and how he can fix that impression if he wants to affects
71 Mayor : Well, of course, you wouldn't see it as a problem. The way I see it, the problem was, during the election and now, after the election, that people ar
72 D L X : not was... what IS the problem? You were complaining about Obama's lack of experience as if that is a problem today. As you know, I thought that argu
73 7324ever : Coming from the same network who combine Dancing with the Stars and The Biggest Looser...
74 D L X : I think what bothers me most about this thread is that you've always felt that ABC was fair... until the RNC told you they weren't.
75 Mayor : I did say it, without actually using the word "is". Maybe I was thinking of someone else on here. You all sound alike to me.
76 D L X : Well, if you don't think there is a problem now, why is it still relevant?
77 Dreadnought : First of all, the RNC has never told me anything. Secondly, I never said that ABC was fair, but simply more fair than the other two, until recently.
78 Mayor : Doesn't this say the same thing??? [Edited 2009-06-22 08:42:07]
79 D L X : Well, we were having an argument about experience when you said it was a problem. I don't know what your quoted comment has to do with it. The link i
80 Post contains links EA772LR : Well, compare the tone of Charlie Gibson's interviews. It's obvious he is utterly disgusted by Palin. Completely irresponsible for a Journalist like
81 Mayor : I said it WAS a problem during the election and has been, also, after the election. You were telling me that I only said that it WAS a problem but wh
82 Post contains images StasisLAX : I completely agree!
83 D L X : I'm not sure why you're not understanding what I'm trying to say so I'll try to be more clear. I'm asking you what IS the problem now, with his exper
84 D L X : No no no, that's not the question. (I'll answer it anyway below, but stay focussed on the issue.) The issue is that Dreadnought and the RNC is compla
85 Mayor : Here's my original statement about what I considered the problem..... So, I'm not understanding what problem you're having with this explanation. I s
86 EA772LR : This is the problem with Obama's message. It's hollow as are so far all of the promises he made. I also agree that much of Obama was simply a reactio
87 D L X : okay, but answer the question I posed. If you have a problem with ABC having a health care discussion with Obama where you fear only one side will be
88 DXing : Then the converse is that the major networks gave unfair treatment to former President Bush and continue to give unfair treatment to the GOP by not o
89 EA772LR : What?? This isn't an interview Obama is having on healthcare. This is supposed to be a town hall style debate/forum, except there will be no opposing
90 D L X : How is that different? No opposing viewpoints is no opposing viewpoints, whether it's a town hall as you say this will be versus a one-on-one as the
91 EA772LR : The difference is that the world wanted to know who Sarah Palin was, and a one on one interview was a way to do that. Obama's health care reform is c
92 DL021 : The access given to one network, without forcing them to simultaneously deliver the content, and share the screen time with other anchors, creates the
93 EA772LR : I agree 100%. This is one of those key issues in America that deserve much deliberation from both sides, and ABC acting as a stage for one side and n
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