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Gay HS Grad Appeals For Bringing Bf To Prom  
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Gay teen's prom appeal turned down

Tuesday, April 09, 2002

OSHAWA -- A gay high school student says he will take legal action against the Oshawa Catholic school board, which has forbid him from bringing his boyfriend to the prom.

Last night the Durham separate school board rejected a personal plea from Hall and his supporters.

Hall broke down in tears after board chair Mary Ann Martin said same-sex dates will not be allowed at school social functions.

The school board has said allowing Hall to attend the prom with his boyfriend would contravene the teachings of the Catholic Church.

Hall, 17, was denied permission to bring his 21-year-old male partner to the prom after he paid his $100 deposit.

Ontario Liberal MPP George Smitherman was in Oshawa last night to support Hall. Smitherman says the board ruling sends the message that the best way for gay teens to handle their sexuality is to keep it a secret. Smitherman is openly gay.

The dance is scheduled for May 10 at a banquet ball in a rural area north of Oshawa, east of Toronto.

Hall said he was told by school principal Michael Powers of Monsignor John Pereyma Catholic Secondary School that condoning a same-sex date for the prom would contravene Catholic teachings on homosexuality and "school policies.''

Hall says he is not going to give up his fight and is considering either legal action against the board or a human rights appeal.

Hall has argued that the board has been inconsistent in its application of Catholic doctrine since it allowed a pregnant teen to attend last year's prom, despite the fact that it opposes premarital sex.

Marc Hall wants the right to take his boyfriend to the prom.

Source: Canada.com

I guess the schoolboard is ignorant about this.  Pissed

But it also makes me think of Justin from US Version of Queer as Folk. He brought his 'bf' to his high school prom, but ended up got bashed  Sad

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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Oh God not again...............I gotta say, WHO GIVES A SHI*T?!

User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2216 times:

Guys,

This is interesting, insofar as I have never heard of such an incident. I wonder how many students at the high school involved support this young man?

I feel it's hypocritical of this school to have allowed a pregnant girl one year and disallow a homosexual the following year.

In actual fact I don't understand why the school does not expel this youngster because his homosexuality contravenes the churches laws?

They could always refund the kids parents with the tuition fees paid.

Typical hypocrites.

mb


User currently offlineZeus01 From United States of America, joined May 2001, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

In the words of Bono on U2's Pop CD

"help me Jesus, im alone in the world and what a F-ed up world it is to....."

WOw was he right. a guys BF to prom, whats is coming to.


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

This is sick and disgusting

Er, I don't think so.

You need to be more educated about this.

This is our freedom of rights for who do we want to bring to the prom. As long as they're not prisoner or doing illegal stuff.

National_757, I guess you wouldn't mind to see a pregnant girl to the prom, eh?


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

If he doesn't like the schools rules or teachings, then what the hell is he doing there?
Find another school!
I agree; what's this bloody world coming to?
For Christs sakes, next thing someone's going to want to bring their pet horse to the prom.........where does it end?
Reminds me of a few years back when the Human Rights Commission here took legal action because our local bus company bought new buses that didn't have wheelchair access (although that's more of an issue than this one).
Talking to the Managing Director at the time, he said it would be far cheaper if they provided every wheelchair bound person here with their own wheelchair-adapted Rolls Royce.
Anyway the company spent thousands converting them and just talking to the drivers, a lot of whom I know, they can't remember them ever being used once.
People have to pay thousands just because somebody wants to make a point.


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

More proof that you are all fools. Well, only half of you.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineMetwrench From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

The 21 year old boyfriend should be arrested for being a sexual preditor of a minor.

My daughter is 17, it would be a race between my ex-wife and myself on who would be the first to maim the 21 year pervert that might try to seduce our daughter.

When you are in your 30's, 4 years isn't squat. When one is still in high school, 4 years is a lifetime.

Gay or not, the age differance here is a significant issue.


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

.......and as for him using the pregnant teen as an excuse, well he can forget that.
The Catholic Church may be against pre-marital sex, but they're also against contraception and abortion.
So their hands were pretty much tied on that one.


User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

He should be allowed to do what he wants. As some of you do not know, you don't just wake up one morning and become gay. You are born that way. Maybe someone else could elaborate on that.

To deny someone of the same freedom's and rights in this country based on sexual preferences/age/etc is just wrong.

I could care less if someone is gay, as long as they don't try hitting on me.

...Serge


User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

Oops. My post should read, "in any country".

...Serge


User currently offlineC72 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

The 21 year old boyfriend should be arrested for being a sexual preditor of a minor.

I agree Metwrench, the 21 year old should be arrested!!!


c72
#aviationusa


User currently offlineMetwrench From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

Thankyou C72.

Sometimes people trip over a dollar to pick up a dime.


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

"As some of you do not know, you don't just wake up one morning and become gay. You are born that way."

What? So when he was delivered, the Doctor held him up and said, "Congratulations Mrs xxx, it's a gay boy"?


User currently offlineSerge From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1989 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

No, not quite NZ767.

...Serge


User currently offlineMetwrench From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

All of you except C72 and myself are choosing to ignore that a 21 year old adult is romancing a high school student.

Male, female, gay, lesbian, straight, it doesn't matter. The 17 year old is still a minor in high school, that's just not RIGHT!


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11536 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Oh, geez. Every year it's the same thing. If the school board allowed it, there would be a hubbub over that. WHO CARES! It's happend before and it will happen again. *sigh* But I wonder how much of a flap it would cause if two girls went to prom together. That is a whole other story.  Insane Which brings up an interesting question: Why is it okay for two women to be *ahem* close, but if two men so much as look at each other too long, they are called names and (sometimes) injured. What's good for one should be good for the other. If I want to hold someone's hand, male or female, I should be able to do it without fear of being beaten up.
I guess I'm a little bitter since I never got to go to my prom anyway and the only guy I wanted to take moved 500 miles away that winter. But still, GIVE IT UP!



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineONT 737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

The issue here is not the fact that he is gay, but the attitudes toward it. All Christians sin and we all have our struggles, some Christians struggle with having homosexual desires. They need to be loved and helped , but this does not mean that Christian organizations should be forced to allow homosexual activity at their functions. All Christians make mistakes and sin, but a premeditated fight to bring a 21 year old boyfriend to a Catholic School dance is just plain defiant. Besides, this is a private school not a public school that is getting tax money. Maybe his parents are forcing him to attend that school or maybe they are not even Catholics, but they should have looked at the beliefs in the Catholic Church before sending a gay son to a Catholic School.



"The world is run by C students"-Harry Truman
User currently offlineMetwrench From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 750 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Seb,

I'm tolorant of alternate life styles. It's just that the age diference here is flat wrong.


User currently offlineMx5_boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Metwrench,

I see your point mate, and I kind of cringed when I read that the boyfriend was 21.

There is more to this story than meets the eye. Generally speaking one would suspect that if this student had the respect and admiration of students and teachers it would be a non issue particularly if it was dealt with delicately.

There are so many if's and but's to this however I do feel the Church should not discriminate over something so trivial.

mb


User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6659 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

*Drum-roll*
I hope the board dont 'bend over backwards' in this case.


User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

LMAO Donder  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up  Big thumbs up
Metwrench, I acknowledge the 21 year old issue too.


User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

For Christs sakes, next thing someone's going to want to bring their pet horse to the prom.........where does it end?

That's just disgusting. How can you even begin to compare the two, or even think that something like this will lead to what you stated? A gay man, and a horse? That is a very, very derogatory comment which you made.

And for all of you out there who are saying this is a disgrace, gay people are humans just like everybody else on this planet, and if they want to have a relationship, nobody should be able to stop them.

Some people need to be more tolerant.



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User currently offlineNZ767 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

What a load of politically correct crap Tbar.
We need to be more tolerant?
Ok! How about this "guy" showing some tolerance towards the schools rules and the teachings of the Catholic church which I assume he's supposed to adhere to seeing as he's a Catholic school pupil.
Seems that for some people, tolerance only applies when it suits.
What are we going to be asked to tolerate next?
Bestiality?
Assuming the animal is over 16 and is consenting, then that should be ok shouldn't it?
If not, then why not?
Surely we could all learn to "tolerate" that!
Yukk!!  Nuts


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11536 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

I completely missed the age thing. I deal with high schoolers all day long and from that experience I can say that SOME of them have their wits about them. We have many 16-, 17-, and 18-year olds that come in for lunch. Yes some of them are very immature, but there are one or two that can think logically enough to deal with that sort of age difference. I don't mind hanging out with people of any age, but if I ever do the relationship thing again, it will be with someone near my age. And anyway, isn't 17 legal in Canada?



Life in the wall is a drag.
25 Mls515 : 1. 21/17 issue 2. private school, don't go there if you don't like it. School prom not a "right" anyway.
26 CPDC10-30 : There are no tuition fees to be refunded, one of the conditions of the formation of this country was(unfortunatley) a guarantee that state funding be
27 Airways1 : In general I'd say an institution such as this school should be free to make its own rules, though in this case I think it is a stupid rule. However,
28 QANTASforever : I am not a homosexual however, people who are homosexual will tell you that you dont decide to be gay or Lesbien, but it is a slow realisation that co
29 Saintsman : If two people of different ages, who are both under age, are going out with each other does that mean that when one of them reaches the adult age (21
30 CPDC10-30 : You don't hear straight people saying it's okay to be normal and from a purely biological point of view it is normal to be hetrosexual. For the XXXXt
31 Saintsman : Homophobia has been around for thousands of years and that's why it has been difficult for gays to be open about the way they are. Considering the pro
32 Hepkat : Ok, I'm going to try to formulate my opinion on the matter. Religious schools exist for a very good reason, i.e., to provide an alternative way of loo
33 Post contains images NZ767 : "And finally, pet horses are not human. They don't figure into debates on human sexuality." Yeah? Well I should've told that to the court when we had
34 Heavymetal : All Christians sin and we all have our struggles, some Christians struggle with having homosexual desires. Some of us EVEN struggle.... and realize th
35 Heavymetal : By the way, Saints... Considering the progress made by gays over that last 20 / 30 years they should be grateful that they can hold hands in public. I
36 Saintsman : "The one point I'd make is that it is the picture of hypocrisy right now for any Catholic official in North America to pass judgement on someone else'
37 Post contains images Jiml1126 : If he doesn't like the schools rules or teachings, then what the hell is he doing there? Well, cause he has to. If he has the money on his own, he can
38 Marco : Hepkat summed it up nicely. It's a religious school. He has to follow their rules as long as he's attending that school. If not I'm sure a public scho
39 Hepkat : If not I'm sure a public school would always welcome him... My understanding of public schools, at least in the U.S., is that they'd be more obliged t
40 Greg : Well..he must be 'really' gay....he's got that whole 'drama' thing in high gear...
41 ONT 737 : Heavymetal, I was just curious what Christians (or "christians" if you prefer the smaller c) are you talking about when you say "there is certainly mo
42 Ilyushin96M : My solution: yeah, religious schools are WAY stricter about things like this. Marc should just get a refund and go out to dinner and dancing with his
43 Yyz717 : Most 17yo's are mature enough to date 21yo's. and 17yo's are definitely physically grown up. I see nothing wrong with a 17-21 relationship. Most paren
44 Heavymetal : ONT 737 Actually it's called the Metropolitan Community Church, or MCC. I was just trying to point out that many 'Christians', in the strict, modern f
45 De727ups : http://www.ageofconsent.com/canada.htm If the 17 year old and his boyfriend were...how should I say....going all the way....then it would be illegal.
46 Post contains images Bmi : fu*k hes got a bf, hes quite fit narh gotta stay commited to mine
47 ADG : There are 2 issues here. 1. Should a gay boy be allowed to take his boyfriend to the prom? Yes. 2. Is a 21 year old seeking 17 year old boyfriends a s
48 NWA : That is so sick. I am going to prom this weekend and frankley, I do not want to see two guys dancing. I think there should be a vote with all people w
49 Ryanb741 : Well, lets face it, he knew he was going to a Catholic school. He's in the wrong school I reckon, if he is gay!
50 Jiml1126 : So this 21 year old boy should not only not be allowed to go to the prom with a 17 year old, he should be arrested. In Australia he would be. Like I s
51 Post contains links Mcdougald : VH-ADG wrote: "I read somewhere that the reason they introduced celibacy into the church was that too many of their priests were having sex with each
52 Watewate : Why did this kid tell the principal that his date is a male? Last time I checked, you didn't need principal's approval for a date.
53 Metwrench : I see a trend here. Seems like most the youger members here, 16-20, are in favor of large age differance relationships. The older ones, 30 and up are
54 AgnusBymaster : The Catholic school board is probably afraid that his date is one of their priests.
55 Post contains images Tbar220 : LOL, baaaaad agnus
56 CPDC10-30 : Although I had noted it before, there are people here who are posting based on incorrect assumptions or incorrect information. 1. In Ontario and Quebe
57 Heavymetal : Without some sort of order, the world would be in chaos, not that it isn't already. There has to be some rules, values, and ethics I'll not pick a fig
58 Yyz717 : Metwrench, you're generalizing a bit much. I'm 38 and yet think the 17-21 dating is fine. You said you have a 17yo daughter? Well, hate to burst your
59 Metwrench : Yyz, If you had made such a brash, rude, insensitive statement to my face, I would kindly have asked you to "Step Outsde". Since you you have chosen t
60 Metwrench : I don't know what everybody else out here thinks, but I take extreme personal offence to Yyz's remarks about my family!
61 AmEricA WesT : Metwrench: You are 12 years old in GRADE SIX, not eight. Second of all, there is a big difference between the abilities of a twelve year old to make d
62 Jiml1126 : Kids should hang with kids in their own age group. I agree, however, what do you define has 'own age group'? To him, his own age group might be 16-25.
63 Metwrench : AWest, Print this whole post, put it in a "Time Capsule" and read it when you are 45 years old, then give me a call.
64 Heavymetal : I am neither a parent nor in any condition to become one anytime soon....but I found the post offensive too, Met. This may be my first attempt at 'dec
65 Yyz717 : Metwrench, don't take it personally. Of course I don't know your daughter. That you would resort to violence is disturbing though. I wouldn't of cours
66 Yyz717 : Any parent of a 17yo needs to accept that their child COULD be sexually active.
67 Metwrench : Yyz, I do take it personally!! You read me on these sites, but you know absolutely nothing about my family. Can you honestly say that you would walk u
68 CPDC10-30 : I don't think yyz717 was meaning your own daughter specifically, Metwrench. He was just emphasizing the reality that there is a very high percentage c
69 Yyz717 : I was talking about ALL teenagers. Many parents every day find out that their teenage daughter is pregnant, or their teenage son has impregnated a gir
70 Yyz717 : Thanks CPDC10-30. I could perhaps not have used the words "cherry" and "popped" but I stand by the message. Denial (of teenage sexual activity) is a d
71 Metwrench : CPD, as a "Moderator", how is it you know what Yyz was thinking? He didn't speak about all teenagers, he was speaking about my daughter. Why is it tha
72 Yyz717 : Metwrench, personal attacks? Slander inflicted on your family? hmmmmm There is simply a good chance your daughter is sexually active. As with most 17y
73 Hepkat : Metwrench, I fail to see how Yyz's comment could be interpreted as a personal attack against your family. He said:Well, hate to burst your bubble but
74 ADG : That is so sick. I am going to prom this weekend and frankley, I do not want to see two guys dancing. I hate to break this to you, but there are thing
75 Post contains images Mx5_boy : VH-ADG, You go girl! Will your be my airliners.net fag hag? Incidentally I think Yyz's comments were taken a bit harshly even if they appear vulgar. M
76 Post contains images Yyz717 : Thanks Hepkat/Mx5-boy!
77 AmEricA WesT : Metwrench... "Print this whole post, put it in a "Time Capsule" and read it when you are 45 years old, then give me a call." Oh, I'm crushed. But if I
78 Saintsman : It's interesting to note that people feel that a 16 year old is a child. I joined the RAF as a 16 year old and I certainly didn't feel like, nor was I
79 RogueTrader : I think this is a matter for their local community, and the kids themselves should have some say in the matter. If the parents, teachers, and students
80 AmEricA WesT : "...with no reflect on any personal level against anyone." Oh, yeah...
81 Post contains images ADG : You go girl! Will your be my airliners.net fag hag? Not sure, will have to ask Sky .. i'm her fag hag! Incidentally I think Yyz's comments were taken
82 Mcdougald : RogueTrader: "I think a Roman emperor had his horse made a member of the senate..." I wish the prime minister would appoint a horse to the Canadian se
83 Post contains images LH423 : I love you guys! You make me laugh Only on this thread go so far off topic yet be so popular Awww, what the hell. Let him take his boyfriend to the pr
84 Post contains images Jiml1126 : By the way, don't you people think its ironic that saying a 21y/o who dates 17y/o is a preditor? That please open your eyes BIG (yes, like that)and se
85 CPDC10-30 : Sorry I have to post this here, but there isn't much choice since you didn't supply an email address in your profile. Being a forum moderator doesn't
86 Marco : Jiml1126, that's not a good response. The Catholic doctrine does not promote that kind of behavior and you know it. However, no one is perfect, and ye
87 Yyz717 : Actually, Jim1126's response was correct & appropriate. There was an interesting article in Canada's national newspaper that argued that the strict RC
88 NWA Man : Met- Sorry I haven't been in on this issue to back you up, because even as an 18 year old, straight male, I find the things that Yyz717 said extremely
89 Marco : There was an interesting article in Canada's national newspaper that argued that the strict RC doctrine that priests be celebate ONLY serves to encour
90 Yyz717 : Marco, I disagree with you in a sense. Cathlic priests are the representative of the RC church....when RC priests are violating children (and it's bei
91 Jiml1126 : The catholic doctrine is against homosexuality and sexual abuse. You cannot judge Catholics based on 20% of the priests who are pedophiliacs(sp?), who
92 IMissPiedmont : I'll be a "Johnny come lately" here. I won't read all the posts but I did read several. First. The "boyfriend' is 21, the boy 17. That is statutory ra
93 Yyz717 : Well, I disagree with you IMP. But respect your opinion. Someone SHOULD be able to remain at a Catholic school and be gay. I would argue that the Chur
94 NWA Man : Yyz717? "Flame-bate? (sic)" "Swear"? Where?... I didn't use the derogatory phrase "lose your cherry" like an earlier poster, but that's not quite "swe
95 ADG : Third. Why is it acceptable anywhere for two girls to go to the prom together, dance together and hug each other. Seems, regardless of my points, to b
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