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European Diesel Car Sales Strong In U.S.  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5746 times:

Encouraging news from LeftLaneNews.com -

"European clean diesels – along with lower diesel prices – is starting to sway American buyers. Diesel sales have increased significantly so far this year, with more sales success expected. Volkswagen’s Jetta TDI is leading the way with some impressive sales figures. Jetta TDI sales totaled 3,862 units last month, up from 2,253 sales in April. Moreover, about 36 percent of all Jetta sales are of the TDI clean diesel variety.

“We would expect equal or higher sales of diesels this month,” a VW spokesman told Autoweek.

The Jetta TDI SportWagen is seeing an even higher take rate, with about 50 percent of all buyers opting for the diesel option. Mercedes-Benz is seeing similar success with its clean diesel SUV offerings. Through the first five months of the year, the diesel-powered ML has notched 8,242 sales, or about 16.5 percent of all ML sales.

Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/clean-diesels-seeing-strong-u-s-sales.html

The question is - will clean-burn diesel cars FINALLY gain a foothold in the U.S. marketplace? I'm voting yes on this, because I think as word of mouth spreads from happy diesel VW/Mercedes/BMW owners to the masses, diesel-powered cars will see a strong resurgence. Perhaps the ghost of the Oldsmobile/GM diesel from the 1970's and '80's is actually done haunting the Amercan car buyers' minds.....  confused 


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15443 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5739 times:

Excellent news. Any of you who have read my car related posts already know that I'm a huge proponent of diesels.

Diesels certainly provide the best solution, at least in the short term. They have the best performance characteristics, most available fuel and fewest tradeoffs of any of the options. I'd rather have a car which can be fueled easily and has nice low end torque versus some overgrown golf cart with a thousand pounds of lithium ion ballast.

Diesels aren't just for trucks anymore.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8868 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5721 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Volkswagen’s Jetta TDI

They have a funny commercial comparing the TDI to the Prius. . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXK63kvUi6U

 silly 

Not that I have anything against hybrids.



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3067 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

I'm planning on buying a new car in August and am giving the Jetta TDI some serious consideration. I definitely wouldn't mind the clean technology and better fuel economy on my weekly trips down to Sacramento and the Central Valley. However living in Reno, all wheel drive or four wheel drive are almost a necessity during the winter months...so it's all up in the air really.

Give me a TDI with 4Motion and I'm all yours VW.  cloudnine 



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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7928 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5685 times:

Now, if we can just talk VW into offering the 2.0 TDI engine in the Tiguan "crossover" SUV.

I do think VW may offer their 1.6 TDI engine in the US market on the upcoming Polo, which VW has said will come to the USA market.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8413 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5684 times:
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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5666 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
is actually done haunting the Amercan car buyers' minds.....

Shouldn't that read diesels car sales strong in the US?
German cars are the only one's availible as diesel in the US.
At any rate, I am glad to see diesels making a resurgence in popularity again here in the US.



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

What diesel engine is in the US Jetta? Is it one of the latest versions used in Europe as well or is it an 'older' banger?

It's quite scary how diesel technology has advanced in Europe. Although it's not surprising seeing how almost everybody buys them. Power/displacement ratios are now on par or higher than those of unleaded engines.

What does irk me is that manufacturers in Europe aren't interested in pouring money into petrol engines development anymore. There are ome improvements to be made there too.



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5658 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
What diesel engine is in the US Jetta? Is it one of the latest versions used in Europe as well or is it an 'older' banger?

2.0 L 4-cylinder diesel TDI
Base Engine Type: Inline 4
Horsepower: 140 hp
Max Horsepower: 4000 rpm
Torque: 236 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 1750 rpm
Drive Type: FWD

Fuel Data
Fuel Tank Capacity: 14.5 gal.
EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway/Combined)
Manual: 30 mpg / 41 mpg / 34 mpg



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User currently offlineDTManiac From Germany, joined Aug 2004, 689 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5650 times:



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 4):

I do think VW may offer their 1.6 TDI engine in the US market on the upcoming Polo, which VW has said will come to the USA market.

I ordered a new Rabbit 1.6 TDI in May just two days after this new engine became available for the Rabbit. The numbers are quite impressive.

Milage for the manual: 41/60/52 mpg (5.7/3.9/4.5 l/100km)

The 1.6 TDI is supposed to have approximately the same torque as the 2.0 TDI engine and a similar power (105hp for the 1.6 TDI, 110hp for the 2.0 TDI). The version StasisLAX is mentioning is already an uprated 2.0 TDI.

The car is supposed to be delivered in September. Can't wait  Smile



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

Well this is encouraging. I hope this will be the beginning of the end for the stupid over-hyped hybrid era.

Once we can can figure out how to streamline Biodiesel production then we can really get the ball rolling with diesel cars.  yes 

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
They have a funny commercial comparing the TDI to the Prius. . .

 rotfl  Epic win! I've always loved Vdub's marketing they're pretty damn good at it. Big grin

I mean heck, the Prius is little more than a sardine can. The Jetta is a proper car, a very properly built and a very proper handling one at that.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5645 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
I mean heck, the Prius is little more than a sardine can. The Jetta is a proper car, a very properly built and a very proper handling one at that.

Very true.
I have to hand it to the Germans. They certainly know how to build a solid and very efficient diesel engine. That is something Ford, GM and Chrysler really needs to hop on board with. Our diesels for the large trucks are great but there needs to be small cars with available diesel engines as well.
I hope the Ford Fiesta is successful when it comes here.

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 10):
Well this is encouraging. I hope this will be the beginning of the end for the stupid over-hyped hybrid era.

 checkmark 
Amen to that!



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5610 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I have to hand it to the Germans. They certainly know how to build a solid and very efficient diesel engine. That is something Ford, GM and Chrysler really needs to hop on board with.

Ford has excellent diesel engine expertise but continues to refuse to bring it to the United States. Instead they waste money on products like the overpriced Fusion Hybrid, when a diesel engine can achieve just about the same efficiency with less development costs. Though we can blame American consumers for that - hybrids are cool, diesels are not. Hopefully that will change.



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5583 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
What does irk me is that manufacturers in Europe aren't interested in pouring money into petrol engines development anymore. There are ome improvements to be made there too.

I don't think that's true.

The trend of turbocharging smaller displacement petrol engines to get better oomph and fuel economy started a few years back and hasn't stopped yet.

VW launched the 1.4 TSI engine, Fiat did the 1.4 T-Jet.... even peugeot developed the 1.6 THP for the 308.


User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5575 times:



Quoting JJJ (Reply 13):


Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
What does irk me is that manufacturers in Europe aren't interested in pouring money into petrol engines development anymore. There are ome improvements to be made there too.

I don't think that's true.

The trend of turbocharging smaller displacement petrol engines to get better oomph and fuel economy started a few years back and hasn't stopped yet.

VW launched the 1.4 TSI engine, Fiat did the 1.4 T-Jet.... even peugeot developed the 1.6 THP for the 308.

Exactly. VW's TSI enigines are pretty impressive indeed. They give you the torque you need at lower rpms comparable to diesels. Have a better fuel economy and more hp than comparable petrol engines.
This is a good alternative for "student" cars. As tax for diesel engines is quite expensive here in Germany a petrol engine with diesel characteristics is just brilliant.
So petrol engine development is still ongoing.

Regds
jush



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5564 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
Give me a TDI with 4Motion and I'm all yours VW.

Audi is bringing A3 and A4 (and Q7) TDIs to the US within the next year. The A3 TDI should be shipping shortly.



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User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5551 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
Shouldn't that read diesels car sales strong in the US?
German cars are the only one's availible as diesel in the US.
At any rate, I am glad to see diesels making a resurgence in popularity again here in the US.


 checkmark 

And it is time for Ford & GM to follow.....  Smile

Cheerios,


User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5522 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The question is - will clean-burn diesel cars FINALLY gain a foothold in the U.S. marketplace?

We can only hope.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 4):
Now, if we can just talk VW into offering the 2.0 TDI engine in the Tiguan "crossover" SUV

I actually emailed VW via thier customer feedback link and asked them this very thing. Unfortunately all I got in response was a standard form letter. Still, maybe if they see enough of these emails, it will may make a point.

Quoting Swissy (Reply 16):
And it is time for Ford & GM to follow.....

I wouldn't hold my breath. GM probably won't be allowed, and I don't think Ford has the cash right now.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5514 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
German cars are the only one's availible as diesel in the US

I can't claim to be a car expert but Jaguar seem to have some nifty diesel engines now. Given that they've gone "very diesel" over here, I'm surprised they don't sell them in the Stares.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5511 times:



Quoting RayChuang (Reply 4):
Now, if we can just talk VW into offering the 2.0 TDI engine in the Tiguan "crossover" SUV.

I'd rather see the Golf Plus or Touran here.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8709 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5490 times:



Quoting David L (Reply 18):
I can't claim to be a car expert but Jaguar seem to have some nifty diesel engines now. Given that they've gone "very diesel" over here, I'm surprised they don't sell them in the Stares.

Apart from the cultural dislike for diesels in America (which I am happy to say they are finally starting to get over, after a horrendous experience in the 70s/80s), there are a couple of critical problems that need to be overcome in order for diesel to become more widespread here.

1) Fuel taxes tend to be higher on diesel than on gasoline in the U.S., just the opposite of what you have in Europe. That negates some of the savings you get from diesel, and against which you have to justify the added expense of a diesel engine, which is more expensive to build than a gasoline engine. So the US government needs to reverse the diesel/gas tax gap, or make them equal at the very least.

2) European diesel is about 46 cetane. American diesel is generally between 38-42 cetane (oversimplifying, you can consider diesel cetane=octane for gasoline. Lower cetane numbers are optimised for large, low-reving engines like our heavy trucks, which are the prime users here. Higher cetanes are better for smaller, higher-reving car engines). This means that if you put a european diesel car on a boat and bring it here, it probably won't run very well. All diesel cars sold in america will have to have their engines modified.

The US could also mandate a cetane level of 45-46, but the trucking industry won't like it.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5442 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
1) Fuel taxes tend to be higher on diesel than on gasoline in the U.S., just the opposite of what you have in Europe.

While this tends to be true, in the Chicago area right now, diesel is about $0.20 cheaper per gallon than 87 octane gasoline.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5429 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):

Ah, fair enough.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
after a horrendous experience in the 70s/80s,

Diesels cars were pretty horrendous here back then, too.  eyepopping 

I must admit, I was one of the many who was horrified at the mass "dieselisation" of Jaguars but I've been swayed by their current range. Of course, their new 5 litre petrol engines on the XF are also pretty impressive.  Smile


User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6626 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5408 times:



Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
Give me a TDI with 4Motion and I'm all yours VW.

Move to Europe we get them here, it's a great car, it makes the Tiguan pointless IMO.

Quoting DTManiac (Reply 9):
The 1.6 TDI is supposed to have approximately the same torque as the 2.0 TDI engine and a similar power (105hp for the 1.6 TDI, 110hp for the 2.0 TDI).

You mean the 1.9 TDi, the 2.0 is either 140hp or 170hp. The new 1.6 replaced the old 1.9.

We own two diesel cars a BMW 318d and a Mini Clubman Cooper D, unless I was buying a sportscar I very much doubt I will ever buy a petrol powered car again.

[Edited 2009-06-24 11:34:28]

User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6626 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5394 times:



Quoting JJJ (Reply 13):
even peugeot developed the 1.6 THP for the 308

In conjunction with BMW who use it in the Mini, the Mini version is better it has BMW's efficient dynamics and in the Cooper Works 208hp.


25 Sabena332 : It is available here in Germany. One of my father's company cars is a Tiguan 2.0 TDI. I drive it frequently and in my opinion is it is a good engine
26 StasisLAX : Not only Jaguar, but now diesel-motors now offered by Porsche (in the Cayenne SUV and the new Panamera 5-door sedan).
27 A342 : No, he's right. At least until the 1.6TDI starts shipping, a 110hp version of the 2.0 is available in some cars. Both are still available, some model
28 RayChuang : Actually, the trucking industry would LOVE to get higher cetane rated diesel fuel in the USA. The reason is simple: it would generate more power for t
29 Aero145 : Actually you can get both! Audi even tunes the engine down to 120 PS in the A4. But you can of course get the normal 140 and 170 there too. Fine engi
30 Sabena332 : You guys are right! I forgot that the new Scirocco is available with the 2.0L 140hp TDI engine. But the Tiguan's and the Eos' 2.0L engine changed to
31 KiwiRob : Woops sorry thinking Golf 5 which had the following diesels: 1.9L 66 kW (90 PS) TDI I4 1.9L 77 kW (105 PS) TDI I4 2.0L 55 kW (75 PS) SDI I4 2.0L 103
32 Post contains links and images OzGlobal : I drive a Peugeot Coupe 407 V6 2.7 HDI and it goes like a rocket and drinks modestly: http://www.peugeot.co.uk/vehicles/peugeot-car-range/peugeot-407-
33 DTManiac : Nope. In Germany they dont offer the 1.9 TDI for the new Rabbit VI anymore. However, they have a 2.0 TDI engine with 110hp on offer (besides other 2.
34 MAH4546 : Q7 TDI is already on sale in the United States.
35 Flighty : Diesel has always made sense in America. We drive huge distances at slow speeds. We need torque. But, in recent years the EPA regulations were manipul
36 StasisLAX : And looks VERY stylish too. Way better then a Prius, IMHO.
37 Mham001 : I was just reading last week that diesel sales are down in either Europe or Britain due to the advances in gas engine efficiencies. Its not over yet.
38 LOT767-300ER : 4 weeks living with a 2.8 CRD engine (albeit shite VM) but still... and im counting down the 6 days left I have until I can be delivered by the grace
39 Aerobalance : Until a diesel powered car gets hybrid type mileage in city/urban conditions, it will be tough to overcome the hybrids foothold in this domain. I'm no
40 KiwiRob : I can't see why, in Europe most jettas would be diesel, they would sell far more that 50,000 units. But the 335D isn't all that economical especially
41 Flighty : Here, the car is only 21,000 USD and the gasoline cars are more profitable. If you could see how much money used VW diesel cars bring, you would be a
42 JJJ : That's because you get crap gas. Here standard is 95 RON (would be 90-91 in the US). Turbos run just fine on 95 RON. Diesels also more expensive to b
43 Superfly : Toyota is synonymous with "hybrid" here in the US. Most brands have a hybrid in their lineup just for the sake of having one and earning green points
44 BMI727 : True, but the rising cost of gasoline in relation to diesel is shrinking the break even mileage for diesel vehicles.
45 JJJ : Here it's been exactly the opposite, diesel (which used to be much cheaper than petrol) is now more on a par with gas.
46 OzGlobal : In Europe, petrol is not cheaper to own or operate. In some cases, eg Peugeot HDI, the diesel technology is the more advanced and reliable of the two
47 N328KF : I took this to mean that sales of the Jetta TDI in the US are unprofitable. The TDIs are manufactured in Germany, where as the other Jetta/Golfs are
48 Aero145 : Well, I think that’s an easy thing to forget. A Scirocco SHOULD NOT have a Diesel engine!!!
49 KiwiRob : No they aren't, there is no Jetta or Golf/Jetta Wagon assembly in Europe, all European models are built in Mexico.
50 RayChuang : Unless it's the same 170 ps engine used on the new Golf GTD. Until recently, VW turbodiesel engines couldn't meet US emission regulations because the
51 N328KF : I'm thinking of the Golf/Jetta IV. I did not realize that they had dropped Wolfsburg production for those models.
52 N328KF : OK, you've thrown me off here. It appears that the Golf is still made in Wolfsburg.
53 Aero145 : Still. I know this engine really well, and although it’s amazing (be it Pümpe Düse or Common Rail), I would not want a GTI with it, or a Scirocco
54 Andz : Probably??? Heresy! I love mine, had it 2 years now and petrol seems like a huge step backwards now.
55 Mham001 : I don't think so. It wasn't the US EPA, blame the California EPA for killing diesel sales in the US. It was not profitable for the manufacturers to i
56 ACDC8 : Didn't the 25,000,000th Golf built come of the Wolfsburg line in 2007? IIRC, the Jetta is built in Mexico but there the Golfs (for the European marke
57 KiwiRob : The Jetta and Golf Wagon are made in Mexico for the European market, the Golf hatch is still made in Germany.
58 TheSonntag : Main problem with Diesels is, as has been said, higher price and higher nitrous gas emmissions. The latter is caused by the more efficient combustion,
59 Flighty : Yes, Nice, but until recently that technology did not exist. Until recently our EPA laws were too strict for passenger cars powered by Diesel. Superf
60 TheSonntag : I disagree a bit, because Nitrous emissions are indeed still a problem for Diesels, and if you ask me, emission standards were a bit too generous her
61 Flighty : Perhaps, but instead the USA took the opportunity to bar all diesel automobiles that failed to meet our gasoline standards. Of course, that meant VW
62 RayChuang : Flighty, I can cite the following reasons why today's diesel engines are so much more cleaner than in the past: 1) The arrival of low-sulfur diesel fu
63 ACDC8 : Is there even a Golf Wagon still?? I could be wrong, but I think the Mk4 was the last generation for them.
64 ACDC8 : Never mind, I think I've answered my own question ...
65 Post contains images KiwiRob : Here is the golf 6 wagon.
66 ACDC8 : Yeah, thanks! I should have googled it before I asked, my bad.
67 Aero145 : Which, sadly, has only been updated on and in the front and inside!
68 Pelican : I guess this will change when they make a new Jetta. The Golf Wagon should be called Jetta Wagon because that's what it actually is. That also explai
69 Aero145 : I think they’ll leave it. I mean, they just updated it! I disagree. Golf Wagon, Golfwithaboot, Golf. Makes as much sense IMHO.
70 ACDC8 : OK, so thats the Golf Mk6 wagon since there is of yet, no Jetta Mk6. Correct? As far as the Mk5s go, the Jetta and Golf wagons were the same car but
71 MAH4546 : No. Some countries only received one (the UK, Canada and the U.S.), others, including Germany, had both, even though they were otherwise the same exa
72 Pelican : With the introduction of the Golf VI (hatch) the Jetta and the Golf hatch don't share the same platform anymore. The Golf VI (hatch) uses the updated
73 KiwiRob : From what I understand the Jetta will recieve the same front as the Golf/Jetta wagon sometime towards the end of this year. I agree with some other po
74 Pelican : Don't get me wrong- I perfectly understand why the Golf wagon is called Golf and not Jetta in Europe although it technally is a Jetta wagon. Golf is a
75 JJJ : The Jetta isn't exactly the best selling car in VW's European lineup. That's why VW prefer to bank on the Golf name (Golf Plus, Golf Wagon) which is
76 KiwiRob : Then VW should ditch the Jetta name for the sedan and call it the Golf Sedan.
77 Aero145 : I understand what you mean. ’ntschuldigung!
78 JJJ : They should simply ditch it, that would help Passat sales (which after all, uses the Golf platform). But it sells well in NA so they just can send it
79 ACDC8 : Canada has always only had the Jetta Wagon and if I'm not mistaken, only since the Mk4 generation. Germany has always had both Golf and Jetta Wagons
80 Aero145 : The good ol’ mk4’s!
81 ACDC8 : Yup! Mind you, I don't care for the face lift they received for the 08 model year . Luckily, mine is an 07 so its a true Mk4
82 Aero145 : Man! We’ve been having mk5’s here since 2003!!!
83 ACDC8 : We've only had the Mk 5s since 2006 . Amazingly, we're actually getting the Mk6 within a year of its European launch .....
84 Aero145 : This is so odd. New model coming three years after launch, and then two years later, the previous model, which was (is!) still being manufactured get
85 Post contains images ACDC8 : LOL .... here we go: Golf Mk4 sold in Europe from 1997-2002, in North America from 1999-2005 Golf Mk5 sold in Europe from 2003-2008, in North America
86 Aero145 : Sorry Mr Withheld, but the end of the day just started over an hour ago! So practically, the mk4 has been produced longer than eleven years already (i
87 ACDC8 : Yup. And the Mk1 is still being produced in South Africa (at least as of 2008) Correct, as far as the Canadian market goes, the last official model y
88 Aero145 : Yeah I heard of that. Really cool! Only if they would produce them for the European market with the steering wheel on the right side. Golf is complic
89 ACDC8 : Shall we get into the Beetle's history? If you will excuse me though, I just realized that my insurance needs to be renewed today on my Mk4 .... ooop
90 Aero145 : Well, you may tell me about it, I ain’t gonna listen. Hurry, man!
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