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No More Excuses For The Democratic Party  
User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

With the confirmation of the court jester yesterday, the Democratic Party now has 60 votes in the Senate. With that the Democratic Party now controls the White House, the House, and has a fillibuster proof majority in the Senate. No longer can they use the excuse that the GOP is "being obstructionist". They don't need the GOP anymore so if they truly believe in cap and trade, socialized medicine, passing even more restrictive hate crime legislation, gun control legislation, windfall profit taxes on oil companies, immigration reform, then this is their chance to push that legislation on through. In addition there should be no stopping the recesinding of "Don't ask Don't tell", the defense of marriage act, no child left behind, heck they could quash the NAFTA treaty if they wished. And let's not forget judicial nominees. There shouldn't be any thing slowing down their nomination and confirmation. Virtually every bench vacancy should be filled in record time. There is nothing and no one that can put the brakes on, no procedural vote can stand in their way. So let's get to it Democrats. Put your money where your mouth is. You've been saying for years that these things are what the public really wants and only if the GOP would get out of the way you could turn this country into a modern day Nirvana. You don't have have that excuse to fall back on anymore. Time to get to work.

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3474 times:
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When was the last time the GOP was in the same situation? Has it ever happened?


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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9183 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3473 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):

That is quite scary. Considering what's been going on in the Obama Administration, my trust in them and in the Democratic Party -- well, I trust them about as much as I trust a complete stranger with my social security and financial information...

Yes, I am registered a democrat, but I am really thinking of switching parties here with everything that's happening...



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3472 times:
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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
switching parties here with everything that's happening...

Switching parties to the party that allowed this this happen?

Besides, that bastion of impartiality and GOP favorite news source says that you have nothing to worry about:

"But that's on a really, really good day. For all intents and purposes, Democrats don't truly have 60 votes in the Senate. "

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...e-supermajority-strong-advertised/

[Edited 2009-07-01 10:46:31]


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7511 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3445 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
When was the last time the GOP was in the same situation?

Not in my lifetime (43 years).

The last time the Democrats had a fillibuster-proof majority was over 30 years ago (during the Carter Administration).



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9183 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3422 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
Switching parties to the party that allowed this this happen?

Right I forgot... Clinton was a Republican, and the republican party mandated the subprime lending in 1999, which then hit the fan 1 to 2 years ago...  sarcastic 

Don't believe me? Google it. You can find it just about anywhere.

I realize it's still too soon to tell what will become of the country under the Obama Administration. I guess it will take a year or two before we get a better idea. Yes, I am hearing and reading about signs that the recession may end as early as later this year, but I still have my doubts. Besides, when it ends, will it leave our country stronger? With Democrats in power, especially the far left (and it seems that the only ones in power are those who are extreme, which I guess is true with either party anymore), they are in favor of bigger government (i.e: government-funded healthcare), pro-union, and anti-big business and wealth. They think it is wrong for some people to make the millions that they make, for creating their businesses and expanding them by leaps and bounds and altimately stimulating the economy (creating jobs while expanding the comany(ies)). Don't get me wrong. There are some folks out there who are not at all worthy of their millions (greedy and fraudulent CEOs, etc), but for the most part, big business is what creates the jobs that can build and sustain an economy; not the federal government...

With that, I think we are heading towards socialism and away from capitalism. I think with bigger government, we're going to lose more and more of our rights... That's just my opinion, my point of view here.



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3419 times:
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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
Right I forgot..



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
which then hit the fan 1 to 2 years ago... sarcastic

Did you forget that who was President for the last 8 years?

Did the last 8 years not happen?



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9183 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3399 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 6):
Did you forget that who was President for the last 8 years?

Did the last 8 years not happen?

No no... They happened. My argument was that Bush was not the one who mandated all the crap that caused the economy to tank. That stuff happened before he took office, and the s**t hit the fan during his term in office, so naturally he was blamed for this mess. My argument is that it is not entirely his fault. It's partially his fault as his administration was riddled with mistakes left and right, especially the whole WMDs in Iraq crap. That one probably takes the cake in terms of his mistakes. But did the war cause the banks to fold and the housing market to tumble? I don't think so.

Again, go back to the subprime lending that was mandated 10 years ago. That is one big factor that triggered the ripple effect that lead to this recession. The banks handed out loans that could not be paid back (someone with a low income should not be living in a $500k home or driving a luxury car), they faced billion dollar deficits because of that, which set off the ripple effect through the housing market and credit industry. The crap with the big 3 is another can of worms I'd like to avoid...

Obama's Administration is also steering this country in another direction in regards to its relations with Israel, and I will NOT go there either...



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3392 times:
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Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 7):
But did the war cause the banks to fold and the housing market to tumble

How was the Iraq war paid for? How was the schools, road, infrastructure that is being left for the Iraqis paid for? Money from the trees?



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

See... here's the thing righties don't understand about Democrats: Dems don't always vote party line. Dems don't always vote in one block. The Republicans that don't vote party line are ostricized and called nasty names and told they are RINOs and so forth. So, they have a conscience. Big deal. So, before anything has happened, they have been set to the "high" standard the Republicans set for the first six years of the reign of Bush II and have been bashed for it. From a leftie hater. Get over it. Dems will do what Dems will do as individuals, not as a block. That is a given. It has already been proven. Hate all you want. It is better than voting party line just to stay in the good graces of the party leaders!


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3355 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3372 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
They don't need the GOP anymore so if they truly believe in cap and trade, socialized medicine, passing even more restrictive hate crime legislation, gun control legislation, windfall profit taxes on oil companies, immigration reform, then this is their chance to push that legislation on through. In addition there should be no stopping the recesinding of "Don't ask Don't tell", the defense of marriage act, no child left behind, heck they could quash the NAFTA treaty if they wished. And let's not forget judicial nominees. There shouldn't be any thing slowing down their nomination and confirmation.

The problem isn't the 60 seats because the democrats can get one or two moderate republicans on to side with them on certain issues. The problem is other democrats who are obstructing the legislation from happening. They should take a lesson from the GOP and chastise the ones who block stuff and force them to explain why they did so and then it is up to the voters of their districts deal with them in the voting booth.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3354 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
Yes, I am registered a democrat, but I am really thinking of switching parties here with everything that's happening...

Don't tie yourself to either like that, whats the point?



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3336 times:



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 1):
When was the last time the GOP was in the same situation? Has it ever happened?

Not that I can ever remember.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 3):
"But that's on a really, really good day. For all intents and purposes, Democrats don't truly have 60 votes in the Senate. "

Not the point. The fact is that they do have 60 seats and they have made a point over the past several years of saying that if it wasn't for GOP obstruction in the Senate, which when they were in the minority they called being the loyal opposition, they could get all this legislation passed that the public has been yearning for for a long time and that only the evil GOP has prevented.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
The last time the Democrats had a fillibuster-proof majority was over 30 years ago (during the Carter Administration).

Ah the good ole days. Remember them well.

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 9):
Hate all you want.

Only took nine replies for the hate card to be played. No matter how much it gets played it should not be a factor, 60 votes is 60 votes. Time for the Democratic Party majority to put their votes where their mouthes are. But already, as we have seen in a couple of posts here, they are coming up with excuses. They'd like to pass these things into law but they won't do it without at least a few GOP members crossing over since when the music stops they don't want to be the ones left without a chair.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3330 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 12):
Only took nine replies for the hate card to be played.

The 'hate card'? Really? Tell us more about this hate card.



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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5431 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3317 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 5):
Right I forgot... Clinton was a Republican, and the republican party mandated the subprime lending in 1999, which then hit the fan 1 to 2 years ago... sarcastic

First off, you don't your facts straight. There was no "mandate" to do subprime leading, there was a mandate for if you were going to serve an area you had to serve all the people in an area. what you did and how did it was your business. And if you review the banks that specialized in lending to people with lower credit scores you will see that they did better in this recent financial meltdown than the "big banks". That's because they maintained credit or income verification requirements. Whereas the banks that got in trouble did little verification, passed off bad loans quickly and wrapped them into complex investment vehicles that then infected the markets. The neighborhood and community bank's by comparison kept their mortgages and loans and did not sell off significant portions of them to the markets to make quick buck. But then many of them are non-profit privately held or differently chartered and don't have to live life looking at the next quarters returns.

http://www.mpsaz.com/common/files/BALM Nov08 After the Financial Crisis McGuire.pdf
http://www.federalreserve.gov/newsevents/speech/bernanke20090320a.htm
http://www.columbiamissourian.com/st...nks-are-weathering-economic-slump/
http://www.scnow.com/scp/news/local/...ffer_during_financial_crisis/41103
http://www.newsadvance.com/lna/busin..._didnt_cause_economic_crisis/3350/

Stop blaming "subprime lending", it was the banks and how they used "Alt A loans" and didn't enforce proper lending standards and were looking for a quick buck that caused the problems.

Tugg



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 3233 times:



Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 13):
The 'hate card'? Really? Tell us more about this hate card.

Read the reply, go back and read the threads on the GOP. More than one forum member has played the card more than once.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8032 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3231 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
They don't need the GOP anymore

60 doesn't mean anything for today's Democratic party. Between Blue Dogs who want to get re-elected and the two senators who are technically independent, they still need the GOP for anything that will require broad-based support to get done. And frankly, for some of the President's loftier goals, that's not going to be possible unless the White House is willing to compromise far more than they've shown willingness to do.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3228 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 16):
60 doesn't mean anything for today's Democratic party.

Does not change the fact that they have what their party leaders have been crying for for several years. Their mantra was that they couldn't get things done because the GOP was obstructing them. The obstruction is gone, and with it that excuse.


User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8416 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 3210 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 17):
The obstruction is gone, and with it that excuse.

Yeah, you are definitely right.

Both parties are just awful. I am beginning to doubt the political design of the USA. Maybe it is inevitable that we destroy ourselves. Still, that is much better than the Republicans going and destroying Iraq in the name of (whatever it was). They had some mumbo jumbo they were saying when they killed all those Iraqi women and children and innocent men, who did not attack the USA. Compared to that shame, our country's darkest hour since the 1860s, Obama can completely burn the Federal Reserve down; I really don't care.


User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11533 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 3156 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 12):
Only took nine replies for the hate card to be played.

Well, actually, if you read the OP, you will see.... oh, wait... that comes from a Republican supporter, so that does not count....

Why is it, when Dems do anything at all, they get blamed and called names and told they are stupid and un-American and such things, but when the GOP does anything it is patriotic and American and anyone standing in their way is terrorists and obstructionists? It just confounds me how the GOP can go around telling everyone how global domination is the best and most patriotic thing for the country, but taking car of our own citizens is the wrong and worst thing that can possibly happen AFTER the GOP has bankrupted the country. Explain that one to me, please.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 3150 times:



Quoting Steeler83 (Reply 2):
Yes, I am registered a democrat, but I am really thinking of switching parties here with everything that's happening...

Come next fall you will have a lot of company. I know a few hard line lefties who were in love for Obama last fall and now can't believe the mess he has created. He has proven what we all have said, a great campaign (mostly due to the internet, teleprompter and stolen speeches) but no substance. He has put this country in danger with his cowardice with terrorism and I just hope there is something left for the GOP to fix in 2012'.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 3112 times:



Quoting Seb146 (Reply 19):
Why is it, when Dems do anything at all, they get blamed and called names and told they are stupid and un-American and such things, but when the GOP does anything it is patriotic and American and anyone standing in their way is terrorists and obstructionists?

??? I'm sorry, maybe I missed something. Exactly where was that "name" tossed out? Who said anything about stupid or un-American? Guess we're back to making things up in this thread since the facts are too much to handle. What has Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi been saying for the past two years? Who was supposedly obstructionist because they didn't vote for the tarp bill, or the stimulus bill, cap and trade, and are not planning on supporting the dems health care bill just to name a few recent examples? Which leads into your second statement...

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 19):
It just confounds me how the GOP can go around telling everyone how global domination is the best and most patriotic thing for the country, but taking car of our own citizens is the wrong and worst thing that can possibly happen AFTER the GOP has bankrupted the country. Explain that one to me, please.

After? That would mean that the stimulus bill, the loans to GM, as well as the health care bill have passed, been granted, or will be voted on by a bankrupt government? And yet it is still spending money? How does that work?


User currently offlineAustinAirport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 3097 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
In addition there should be no stopping the recesinding of "Don't ask Don't tell"

WTF? LOL. wow... typical.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
socialized medicine, passing even more restrictive hate crime legislation

I'd much rather know for sure that I have access to health care, that think hmm.... How much is this costing me.

So you're saying... you like hate crimes? I guess I really don't understand that.
Its rediculous to think that even in today's time's we still have racists! Wow.... grow up!  Smile



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month ago) and read 3087 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
cap and trade

Needs work, but I'm not opposed to the principle.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
socialized medicine

Not something I want rushed through, but again I agree with the principle

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
passing even more restrictive hate crime legislation

That I could do without.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
gun control legislation

As long as it's sensible.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
windfall profit taxes on oil companies

Ultimately this doesn't really do anything useful, so I hope they let it drop.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
immigration reform

Much needed.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
the recesinding of "Don't ask Don't tell"

Should have been done a while ago.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
the defense of marriage act

Also should have been gone a while ago.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
no child left behind

Well-intentioned, but it's been a disaster and needs to be fixed.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
heck they could quash the NAFTA treaty if they wished

Which they shouldn't.

They have the green light to push their agenda through, but I still hope they take the time to make sure it's all going to do what needs to be done and doesn't mess with what's working now. It's Congress, though, so I'm not hopeful. If there's one bright spot, it's that the Democrats should be more incompetent than the Republicans, so they'll have a harder time getting their agenda done.

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 11):
Don't tie yourself to either like that, whats the point?

 checkmark  Independent is the way to go.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 18):
I am beginning to doubt the political design of the USA. Maybe it is inevitable that we destroy ourselves.

Well, unless we fix it. Some new, viable third and fourth and fifth parties would go a long way.

Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 22):
So you're saying... you like hate crimes? I guess I really don't understand that.

The problem with hate crime legislation is that you are basically punishing intent in addition to the crime itself, which means you are legislating thought.

I despise hate crimes (you could say I hate them), but I also despise the legislation of thought.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3072 times:



Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 22):
WTF? LOL. wow... typical.

Now there's an answer with some meat on it.

Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 22):
I'd much rather know for sure that I have access to health care, that think hmm.... How much is this costing me.

You mean costing your parents? How much is the health care bill in front of the Congress going to cost? If you know how about sharing since Congress doesn't even know the answer to that one.

Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 22):
So you're saying... you like hate crimes?

Define a hate crime versus a regular crime.


25 Seb146 : Because the "war on terror" and the war in Iraq cost nothing? All those soldiers are there on a volunteer basis? For all those years, anyone voting a
26 QXatFAT : Of course. Right now we are seeing a guy who doesnt really wana do anything he has said. But we will not see the effects of the Obama Administration
27 AustinAirport : Hehe. Yes my parents. I don't mean how much it will ultimately cost for the health care package, I'm talking about my family and how much it costs us
28 DXing : I'm beginning to find it more and more humorous that the only way supporters of the current administration can justify it's financial policies is to
29 Seb146 : Gee... a politician flip-flopping? How shocking. The only ones that ever get called on it are Dems by Republicans. But, it happens in both parties. D
30 DXing : Call BS all you want, it wasn't President Clinton that started it. SS otherwise known as FICA taxes have been included in the general fund in every b
31 QXatFAT : Well first I am not a Republican so we can count me out on the one calling out a Dem because of political party. So dont add me to that list por favo
32 FuturePilot16 : The republicans screwed this country up so bad that they should be mandated to not be allowed back in office for the next term either. When I think o
33 Seb146 : At one time or another. Over six years, when Republicans were in control and Democrats were trying to introduce legislation or get their items passed
34 Blackbird : I'd have to say that this is extremely disturbing. It gets quite close to what is often called the Tyranny of the Majority (A point where the majority
35 Blackbird : Seb146, And that, too is a tragedy in it's own right... Blackbird
36 DXing : The GOP never had 60 seats in the senate in those 6 or any other years for that matter. During those 6 years the GOP was in the majority so it would
37 Blackbird : Regarding the second amendment it sort of says that in order to allow a well regulated militia to exist, for the purpose of providing the security to
38 787atPAE : Please look up the definition of militia. It is a common and general definition. The United States has a militia in addition to our professional armi
39 Elite : That is the reason the Founding Fathers decided to put in the 2nd amendment, but not a people know that.
40 Seb146 : The Constitution is not set in stone. It is, and was intended to be IMO, open to interpretation. I do not agree with your interpretation. Yes, I thin
41 DXing : Again, the GOP never had 60 seats in the Senate in which they could kill a fillibuster by the opposition. So why bother to bring legislation to the f
42 AGM100 : Good news Dems... Biden just bought you another couple of months,,,, " The economy was far worse than even we realized".. what a pathetic weak man. On
43 FuturePilot16 : Umm, I hate to disrupt your rant, but the republicans ruined the economy years before the Dems came into power, so there really is nothing left to cr
44 AGM100 : Son , may I suggest you wait for a couple of years until your paycheck starts showing up. I did not say the republicans are off the hook . But the ec
45 Lowrider : Actually, it is. Unless you go through the amendment process. The "Living Document" fallacy is a notion foisted upon us by the Warren Court. It is an
46 Steeler83 : And watch... a Republican will be in office when the crap hits the fan from this administration so it will look like his (the Republican's) fault. Oh
47 AustinAirport : Mhm, And yet Democrats are accused of pushing for "Big Government" WTF. Yeah... pretty sure. no. Dude, Thank you. You rock for that. Summed it all up
48 Seb146 : But, also look at which party was in control of Congress, as well. It is not one single person (the president) who is completely and wholly to blame.
49 DXing : ??? When did the GOP have 60 seats in the Senate under President Bush? If Congress was a rubber stamp for him why was Social Security not privatized?
50 Seb146 : Because, out of all those issues you brought up, there were enough what you would call RINOs that were convinced by their own constituants and Dems,
51 DXing : ???? The country was trillions of dollars in debt prior to Iraq. Iraq has cost but a pittance of all the social spending enacted by liberal democrati
52 CALTECH : Haven't you watched ABCCNNNBCBS lately ? It is the GOPs' fault and will always be. They need two Americas' to keep the hate going. They all proclaim
53 Michlis : You were correct... ...until you got carried away with this.
54 Dvk : It did happen. It's called part D, the prescription benefit, and it's one of the most expensive entitlement programs passed in recent history. It was
55 Windy95 : Amen brother Once again Bush and the GOP never had 60 seats in the Senate in which they could kill a fillibuster by the opposition. So everything tha
56 DXing : Perhaps you need to do a little reading. Medicare part D is the Prescription Drug Benefit. That did nothing to reform parts A and B. BTW, part D is n
57 Dvk : No. I'm a physician, and I have dealt with Medicare EVERY day for nearly 25 years. I know more about it than you will ever know. Part D WAS a reform,
58 Post contains links DXing : My apologies, I should have checked, However this is a political decision, not a medical one, and as such you should know that better than anyone. Pa
59 Dvk : Part D was enacted to lower Rx prices for the patient only. The patient pays a variable co-pay, but the actual cost of the drug is not lowered signif
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