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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

I would have thought that the station in front of the monorail would have to be clear before it would be allowed to leave the station it was in. Shame it cost a life.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090705/..._on_re_us/us_disney_monorail_crash

Jones says it is unclear what caused the crash. Orange County Sheriff's officials are investigating the cause.

Does the NTSB get involved in cases like this as it would on a commuter train crash or subway incident?

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User currently offlineCheetahC From South Africa, joined Apr 2009, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Well it was 4th of July and I'm sure it was really, really packed. Things tend to run much tighter at these times and everyone is trying to get out after the fireworks display.

User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

From Orlando Sentinel....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...crash-070509,0,7295198,print.story


As former Cast Member my prayers go out to the family.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4769 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1875 times:
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Wow, after seeing the photos, it's a good thing it happened so late at night and it wasn't packed full of people. Especially the front and rear cabs...they often let guests ride in the front with the driver. I used to love doing that when I was a kid. I wonder if Disney will stop allowing that now.  Sad


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1855 times:



Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
I would have thought that the station in front of the monorail would have to be clear before it would be allowed to leave the station it was in. Shame it cost a life.

Some reports I've read indicate that the "front" monorail was reversing at the time of the incident (it's unclear from those sources if the "rear" monorail was stopped or pulling into the station at the time). The idea that seems most plausable so far is that the "front" monorail was suposed to reverse onto a switch beam to be taken out of service/into the garage for the night but the switch wasn't properly set. and the driver ended up unaware [remember 2am, dark, few if any visual cues, and not very good rear vision from the front cab] that he was backing onto the live track.

Normally, again from what I've read, the system is protected by the "MAPO" (Mary Poppins, sposedly the profits from that film funded development)/Moving Blocklight System (MBS), however, it is possible to manually override this system, and, in fact it is necessary to do so when reversing onto a switch beam.

Quoting DXing (Thread starter):
Does the NTSB get involved in cases like this as it would on a commuter train crash or subway incident?

You know... My first thougth was "absolutely" as it's transportation that's open to the public and for aviation, NTSB requires a report for any accident ( "...defined as an occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft that takes place between the time any person boards the aircraft with the intention of flight and all such persons have disembarked, and in which any person suffers death or serious injury, or in which the aircraft receives substantial damage") but a quick search of the NTSB site didn't turn up anything useful... so its a question (is a monorail a "raliroad" or a "highway safety" item? It the entire monorail track exists on private property and is operated by the owner of that property does that change anything? (The NTSB doesn't investigate elevator/vertical transportaiton incidents, for example)

Lincoln



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User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Hey Guys

A friend called and told me what happened this morning, I live about 2 miles from WDW, and have many friends who are cast members in various capacities across the resort. I got a call around lunch time from an old friend from High School, who told me that the monorail pilot who was killed was someone we all went to school with, he was only 21. We weren't friends by a long shot, but we knew of each other and if I ever saw him out, we'd say hi, that kind of thing. I last saw him about 3 weeks ago at the TTC working the station.

At first I'd thought that it could have been an older person, who maybe became incapacitated at some point, and was unable to stop the monorail. I don't know how the monorail system works, but I have been told by those who have worked with it, that for this to happen, the system would have to be manually overridden.

After finding out that it was Austin, this really makes the circumstances of this tragic accident a lot more hard to comprehend, and of course more personal. He was a really cool guy, and I know some of my friends were a lot closer to him than I was.

I was thinking about who would be involved in the investigation, of course WDW will be extremely tight lipped on this, I would presume the NTSB would be involved as the monorail is almost no different than a subway car or locomotive.

Please keep Austin and his family in your thoughts.

Cheers

MCO 2 BRS


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

What interests me is that, like all train systems, there has to be a dispatcher (can't think of Disney's term right now) working the monorail tracks at all times that it is operating. If one train was reversing, that dispatcher would have issued a stop order to the inbound monorail. I'm wondering if Disney records all radio transmissions and instructions.


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1609 times:



Quoting Lincoln (Reply 4):
a quick search of the NTSB site didn't turn up anything useful... so its a question (is a monorail a "raliroad" or a "highway safety" item? It the entire monorail track exists on private property and is operated by the owner of that property does that change anything? (The NTSB doesn't investigate elevator/vertical transportaiton incidents, for example)

The NTSB did not investigate the accident on the JFK Airtrain that resulted in an operator's death. That was before the system had opened to the public, so perhaps that is the reason for lack of NTSB involvement.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Here's a Youtube video I found on this accident that gives an explanation. I can't verify its validity, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QBZ_S7iAHU



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1503 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
What interests me is that, like all train systems, there has to be a dispatcher (can't think of Disney's term right now) working the monorail tracks at all times that it is operating. If one train was reversing, that dispatcher would have issued a stop order to the inbound monorail. I'm wondering if Disney records all radio transmissions and instructions.

I'm sure they do.

Obviously, something tragic like this will be scrutinized fully and procedures changed so it can never happen again. One such change would be that all other trains must be held stationary while any train is going backward to be taken out of service.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1498 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 9):
One such change would be that all other trains must be held stationary while any train is going backward to be taken out of service.

According to the video, the train that was hit was holding at the station. The inbound train was reversing on the wrong track.



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User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
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Looking at the crash pictures... I have to wonder: Are those monorails built with any sort of collision dampening structure? It looks to me like they are basically a chassis with an eggshell bolted on top.. a design that implies the Imagineers figured there is a 0% chance of a collision-type accident.

Does anyone know how Disney is handling the lost capacity, since I'm assuming two trainsets are out of service?



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1360 times:



Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 11):
Does anyone know how Disney is handling the lost capacity, since I'm assuming two trainsets are out of service?

From what I can gather, the entire system was shutdown so that training and insitution of new procedures can occur while the NTSB is investigating.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4769 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1354 times:
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Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 12):
Does anyone know how Disney is handling the lost capacity, since I'm assuming two trainsets are out of service?

From what I can gather, the entire system was shutdown so that training and insitution of new procedures can occur while the NTSB is investigating.

Last I read, the monorail system remained down on Sunday but reopened on Monday.



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