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Cricket - The Ashes Test Series  
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

Anyone care to make any predictions?

Me, I think (and hope) that it will be a 'close-run thing.' Australia have had bad luck with Lee being out through injury - and the England selectors, in my view, have taken a big gamble by leaving out Harmison. Maddening as his moodiness can be, he remains the fastest and most 'unsettling' bowler they have.

[Edited 2009-07-07 05:14:49]


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4006 times:

Maybe too late for predictions now - England won the toss and will bat, and play both spinners, Swann and Panesar. Australia will also play a spinner, Hauritz, and (incredibly in my view) will play Ben Hilfenhuas and not Stuart Clarke.

Weather is fine, warm and sunny. But a lot of water has been put on the pitch over the last few days.

Interesting, watching the toss, that both captains gave the impression of having made a couple of key team decisions on how it turned out. The Cardiff pitch is reckoned likely to turn from late on Day Two.



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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3992 times:

Not too sure to be honest, both teams have had decent preparations against sides of varying qualities (let's face it, Windies weren't exactly a menace back in May, at least not compared to South Africa in South Africa.).

I'm streaming the video feed from Sky & listening in on TMS, which is my preferred way to follow cricket.

.. and then the first wicket fell Big grin


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

Australia to win Big grin

Looks absolutely spot on in HD  Smile



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Engalnd 3 for 97 at lunch. Australia have the edge so far.


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User currently offlineAussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1753 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3965 times:
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Good to see Johnson Bowling improve in last few overs once he got the wicket,If we get Pietersen within an hr after lunch than we should be able to roll them pretty quickly after that If Hauritz bowls well to tie one end up,Good first session.

User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3965 times:



Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
Anyone care to make any predictions?

Drawn series.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 4):
Australia have the edge so far.

Maybe just. If Pietersen and Collinwood get away in this next session they could set the Poms up nicely if they can get 450 on the board in the First Innings. Should make for an interesting Test if they do.



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User currently offlineImiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3960 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Australia to win

Boo! At least we have the Welsh on our side.  Big grin

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 4):
Engalnd 3 for 97 at lunch. Australia have the edge so far.

Aye. Agreed. Aus have done well to have 3 down before lunch. Bopara was deceived by an excellent slower bowl by Johnson.

Quoting Tsv (Reply 6):
If Pietersen and Collinwood get away in this next session they could set the Poms up nicely if they can get 450 on the board in the First Innings.

At this point, I think anything 350+ in the first innings will be a good score. The pitch thus far hasn't done much, but it seems to be favouring the bowlers more the batsmen.


User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

As much as it is good to see a new venue being used the capacity (15 000?) of this one is a bit of a joke for such an important match and series.


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Silly 'trend analysis' thing of mine, guys. But maybe interesting.......

The day is precisely half-over. England 3/143, 45 overs bowled, the ball half worn-out, the light past its peak, and the bowlers approaching the 12-over mark, and already feeling a bit tired.........

Double all that (short of the last few overs with a new ball producing a miracle spell from someone) and you get England finishing the day on 6/286.............

Pretty chancy on the face of it - my two cricket-playing sons used to hate that theory. But mainly because it tended to work out pretty close to right on many occasions........  Smile

Just meant in fun....  Smile



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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3929 times:



Quoting NAV20 (Reply 9):
Double all that (short of the last few overs with a new ball producing a miracle spell from someone) and you get England finishing the day on 6/286.............

Sounds like you might be spot on. KP out at 241/5 and Flintoff coming in to bat. Depending on how he does, I could see England lose another wicket for 25 runs - and then we're into the tail with a new ball available tomorrow morning. Australia to bat around lunch tomorrow?


User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

300 up and still only 5 down. Looks like what I said above might be more than possible.


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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

327/6 - only 60 more runs than I thought  Silly

User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3909 times:



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 10):
Depending on how he does, I could see England lose another wicket for 25 runs - and then we're into the tail with a new ball available tomorrow morning.

The new ball is, at the option of the fielding captain, available after the 80th. over - and was, in this case, taken.

Beginning to think in terms of a totally-different 'trend line' - the remaining length of Ponting's fingernails......  Smile

Though, judging by the TV pictures in the last few minutes of the day's play, there may not be enough of them left to permit accurate measurement.......

Definitely England's day in the end.



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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3905 times:



Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
e new ball is, at the option of the fielding captain, available after the 80th. over - and was, in this case, taken.

Yeah, I had my timing wrong and didn't think they'd manage to get to 80 overs before the scheduled close of play.

Not that I think it would have mattered too much if they got the new ball today or tomorrow, the way Flintoff and Prior went about attacking it.


User currently offlineDavehammer From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

I'd say its very even at the moment. I'd expect us to get about up to 360 tomorrow. I think that'll be a decent score and then we'll see what happens. One things for sure I wouldn't like to be batting last on that pitch, it already looks like a day 3/4 pitch!

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12623 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3898 times:
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Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Definitely England's day in the end.

Don't necessarily agree, NAV20. I think Australia will be the happier of the two teams, given the way the day developed. At tea I'd say England were ahead, but 4 wickets in the last session was a bit of a blow, especially losing Flintoff and Prior. With only the bowlers left, England could easily be all out inside three overs in the morning.

Having said that, I suspect if you'd offered Straus 336-7 at the toss, he'd have taken your hand off. From this position, I think anything over 360 would be a bonus for England, anything less than 350 would leave Australia feeling like they'd turned things round given the day-one tea score.

Quoting Davehammer (Reply 15):
I'd say its very even at the moment.

I think so, could still easily go either way. For my money, Australia slightly happier than England.

It's a little frustrating that everyone "got in" but nobody went on to make a significant score. KP will be hammered for getting out the way he did (again), even if it looks like he'll be top scorer (again). No single major score suggests that there's something in the pitch for the bowlers, so I think we'll have to wait and see how England bowl.



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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

Sure Scrimbl, neither captain got what he wanted. Strauss would have been hoping to finish the day with enough wickets in hand to pile on 600 or so and not have to bat again; and Ponting to get England out for 250 or less.

One thing though, for once it's not a case of 'only the bowlers to come'; Swann and Broad can both bat very competently. So can the Aussie bowlers, especially Johnson.

As so often in cricket, for both teams it 'depends on what happens tomorrow'..................



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

I don't really know much at all about cricket, but it seems to me that if you're scoring 500+ runs in a game they might want to revise the rules to help the defensive team out a bit. Maybe put a couple of crocodiles in the middle of the pitch or something.  Big grin


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3855 times:

How many qualify for soft or even self dismissal? Certainly KP, possibly also Cook, Strauss and Bopara. Interesting that the first two dismissals got as close as you could expect to the way Hughes departed against Grievious.

The two most impressive deliveries of the day were from Siddle to dismiss Freddy and Prior. Prior was most impressive.

Do you think KP might have been told to give his wicket to Hauritz to ensure that H keeps his place for the later tests.  duck 

Were those leg side wide deliveries an indication of swing or a touch of the Harmies?

How lucky you guys in the UK are not to have Mathews back in the central missionary position. But Macgiller did a fairish job. Nassar is pretty good and amazingly enough so is Both.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Well now - England all out for 435.

What's more, the ball seemed to be turning square this morning - not just for the Aussie spinner, Hauritz, but even for people like Johnson when they bowled 'cutters.'

Ponting has often had incredibly-good luck with tosses. Can't help thinking that he wishes that that luck had stuck around this time, and he'd won this one.......

[Edited 2009-07-09 04:27:52]


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User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3812 times:



Quoting NAV20 (Reply 20):
Well now - England all out for 435.



Quoting Tsv (Reply 6):
set the Poms up nicely if they can get 450 on the board in the First Innings.

And for my next prediction ...

Dunno.

A draw looks the most likely result unless Australia can post 600 odd in their First Innings. Otherwise I would have at a guess that the Poms are in with the best chance of a win particularly if it really starts turning.

Where the hell is Banco these days? He would have a pretty good idea of how it will pan out.



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User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Comprehensively Australia's day........

The England players are saying that the ball didn't swing at ALL, and didn't turn much either.

I'll bet the selectors are wishing they'd picked Harmison instead of Panesar?



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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6013 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

We're siiiinging in the raaaainn..  Yeah sure

I think it's about safe to mark this down as a draw. The pitch isn't doing much, the ball even less, and the only way I can see anything happen is if we manage to get a few overs in after this rain break, and the rain break having done something to the pitch.

Two days to complete 2½ innings would only really be realistic, if England decides to declare and set a "sporting" target for Australia to chase. And this being the first game of the Ashes and England probably still having the last Ashes series in mind, I can't see that happening.


25 BatBowlField : Given the current state (end of day 4), I think Australia will be able to bowl England out in a day. Although I do have to admit that the wicket of Bo
26 NAV20 : Australia has dominated two days straight and are well on their way to doing the same with the last one. If they win on the last day it will be a well
27 Tsv : Last time I saw the Poms were 5 down for 90. Too busy at the moment watching the Kraut GP with Webber getting a drive through penalty.
28 Tsv : Now 6 down. BUT Bigger News - Webber gets his first win in Germany!
29 CPH-R : 164/7 Looks like an innings defeat for England unless something really weird happens.
30 Scbriml : Agreed. [spoken through gritted teeth] At first glance, England's first innings was a good score. However, our friendly, southern-hemisphere guests s
31 CPH-R : My god what a thriller ending. 6 more runs to make Australia bat again, 11 overs remaining and only Monty left in the shed.
32 CPH-R : And just as I posted that, Collingwood goes
33 CPH-R : .. and it's a draw. Australia must feel a bit peeved, since they definantly lost a fair chunk of time to FR protestors as well as some cheap time-draw
34 Baroque : Bit odd, but I guess they would eventually learn how to "play". Other than that, chickens, counting, hatching come to mind. I knew Monty must a been
35 Scbriml : It's a draw! England escape by the skin of their teeth. I mean, a splendid rearguard action prevents those Antipodean chappies from inflicting defeat
36 Post contains links Baroque : Yer but yer but yer but, yous lot cheated, I mean the umps stopped giving lbws when the ball was going to go over the top of the stumps. How unfair i
37 Scbriml : Do you think if the situation had been reversed, as unlikely as that may be, that Australia wouldn't have done the same? I expect Mr Grumpy will prob
38 Baroque : As well as for accepting a medal. Look that sort of time wasting was invented hereabouts and we do not appreciate it being hijacked for other purpose
39 CPH-R : They would have done the exact same thing, and then I would have said the exact same thing.
40 Davehammer : In my book if you cant get Monty Panesar out within 11.3 overs with him facing about half you don't deserve to win the match! Still the Aussies were f
41 Itsonlyme : What on earth was Marcus North doing bowling two overs at the end? Hilfenhaus was probably their best bowler, and would have been just what they neede
42 Baroque : C'mon Dave, you saw him bowling (and his throwing), he was there for his batting. Yes, but Clarke has a formidable record of stealing a few wickets m
43 CPH-R : Mainly through his own batting incompetence, as he kept taking his eyes off the ball. And it set up the trap that got him out in the end.
44 Post contains images NAV20 : Well - when I predicted 'a close-run thing' I never dreamt that it would turn out that close.   Well done England for keeping the series level - but
45 Scbriml : A little harsh I feel - the man scored 78 in the match for once out, batting at number 9. I'd call that more than a little handy!
46 NAV20 : Wow - England 126 for none............emphatically their session.......... For my money both sides' selectors made mistakes. Iconic though he undoubte
47 Baroque : Seems Siddle has picked up a few tips from Grievous so his ghost lives.
48 NAV20 : Poor Nathan Hauritz - injury clearly seen on TV, top joint of the middle finger of his bowling hand dislocated trying to catch a drive..............
49 CPH-R : Ah, Lord's, the only Test Match I've ever attended was at that ground last summer, watching Graeme Smith and Neil McKenzie batting to save the game 2
50 NAV20 : Prediction time - I reckon that Ben Hilfenhaus can look forward to a long career bowling for Australia. He increasingly reminds me of Terry Alderman.
51 Tsv : Australia two down as Ponting just got a clanger. Didn't see how Hughes got out.
52 TransIsland : Boy, I just woke up, and missed the first two wickets. One under the shower, the other getting coffee. WTF is Australia doing? Let's hope they use the
53 Baroque : Er, um is a clanger when you are plumb LB and get given out caught? More a semi clanger or a putative clanger perhaps????
54 747438 : 139 for 6 now. Bit of an Aussie disaster. Some good cricket today with those England wickets going cheaply in the first session and the great stand fr
55 David L : Ah well, that's it for the day. Very entertaining afternoon, indeed.
56 Tsv : What you believe Hawkeye?
57 NAV20 : An astonishing day. And, as so often in Tests, lots of questions for tomorrow. First of all, can Australia's 'rearguard' avoid the follow-on? And, if
58 TransIsland : You know, the Jamaican TV station I follow this on, has hired Shane Warne's expertise for the series, and he is just the same kind of optimistic fell
59 Baroque : Well that and the fact that he was standing in front of middle and it had not moved that much?? Might be interesting to know from the ump why he turn
60 NAV20 : Sure, TransIsland, Australia's turn to pray for rain! Yes, 'Shine's' an optimist all right. He used to live in the next suburb up the Bay from me, an
61 Baroque : Deciding on a follow on or not might depend on the met folk as much as how Jimmy and Freddie are feeling. Not much of Swann yet!????
62 NAV20 : Agreed, Baroque - AND on how Pietersen (Achilles tendon problem), Hauritz (bandaged spinning finger), and Siddle (stomach upset?) are feeling. Don't
63 Baroque : Never seen anyone look as distressed as Siddle did. There have been tours where sides have been crippled by injuries, but at least replacements are m
64 747438 : It will depend on the weather too. If it's cloudy, then it should be a good wicket for the bowlers. Sunny then it favours batting. Whatever happens,
65 NAV20 : Our TV said that he had a dose of 'food poisoning'.............should be OK now. In the 'old' days that was a euphemism for a hangover after a skinfu
66 747438 : As many as that ? You surprise me.
67 David_itl : 68 overs to go at lunch. Scoring at 3.5 an over equals 238 more runs. Add on the 210 1st innings lead and 57 without loss at lunch would mean a lead o
68 NAV20 : Probably a pessimistic view, 747438. My only excuse is the number of lost matches I've been involved in, that 'we' could have won..... But, as I said
69 David_itl : End of play, England 521 ahead. However, the last 2 days are scheduled for 98 overs each. Declaring now mean a run rate of 2.66 is needed but Australi
70 Tsv : Are you nuts? You are thinking like a Pom. Start thinking like a winner going for the jugular. Australia would be lucky to make 350. This is England'
71 David_itl : Can't help that, can I?! Flintoff may not be 100% ok with his knee which means we're down to Anderson, Onions, Swann and Broad. Swann would not cause
72 Tsv : That's a pretty good analysis but I still think Australia will be lucky to make 350 in the second dig. As for Harmison I don't think you need him unle
73 David_itl : England's declared. They're taking off the covers so a delayed start in prospect.
74 Tsv : Hussey pretty hard done by as he didn't get an edge to that caught by first slip. Australia down by the bows and sinking rapidly.
75 Gkirk : Indeed. Going down quicker than the Titanic
76 David_itl : Just unfortunate about 3 of the dismissals being "ropey". Then again, the Aussies deserve some rough uns as they are the last team to talk about sport
77 Baroque : Or not as the case may be. 300+ for 5 Hmmmm. Aus have had some big stands for the 6th wicket, who is to say how big this one will end up being?
78 CPH-R : It would be a cruel twist if Australia could pull off a JP Duminy-Dale Steyn type stand. And even more cruel if England could then pull off another Ed
79 NAV20 : Over 300 runs scored for the fourth successive day......one of these days captains are going to start lisrtening to us pessimists....... Though there'
80 747438 : A fascinating and excellent match. (Kept me amused whilst trying to get rid of this swine flu virus ). Great performance from Michael Clarke and Hadde
81 NAV20 : Couldn't agree more - and, for once, some good comments in the post-match presentations. Ponting was 'gracious in defeat' - Oz did have some bum deci
82 Davehammer : Great game! I honestly thought last night that Haddin and Clarke could go on for ever, but luckily for us Freddie had other ideas. He was exceptional
83 747438 : Absolutely. Those T20 games have their place but you just can't beat the purest form of the game. There seems to a lot of good humour between the sid
84 Baroque : I thought they were going to. The one that got Haddin was one of the less venomous around for the morning too. Clarke probably got a great delivery r
85 Qantas077 : so glad he lost, I can't stand Ponting!
86 Baroque : I cannot either (perhaps an aversion to betting does not help) but I have to say he was totally admirable in defeat. From what Strauss did not say, I
87 David_itl : Have people seen the grief that people have Flintoff's causeed on the BBC website? I wish I saw the game live instead of following via text commentary
88 Davehammer : I don't think even Swanny knows that. He's got some variation but I didn't really notice the amount of outswing until you mentioned it and then had a
89 Itsonlyme : What was also interesing is that Shane Warne called him the best bowler in the world several times during the game. What a great test match. Agree wi
90 Post contains links Baroque : If into the rewatching game, notice that not all do the 4" of outswing, some are straight, which must make it a nightmare figuring out where it is go
91 Post contains links NAV20 : I think the operative word is 'toss,' Baroque. If people call up the SBS site they can 'review' all the wickets by clicking on the cricket 'video hig
92 Baroque : Had not seen that link. However, the Clarke clip does not do justice to either Swann or Clarke, you need the down the wicket view in slo mo to see wh
93 Post contains links David_itl : This is one of a few blogs with comments about the usefulness of him, but at least some are sticking up for him.
94 Tsv : Now you are not just thinking like a Pom you are talking like one! I've just seen the Strauss "catch" off Flintoff for the first time and you can see
95 ZK-NBT : Great stuff by England and as others have said it was a great game of cricket. Theres something about Flintoff, while he went for a few runs he looks
96 Scbriml : Well, you'd have to say an excellent turn-around by England after the 1st Test. Yes, they did get the rub of the green for a couple of decisions, and
97 Baroque : It was yet another in the long saga of replays being unable to tell you what happened. At normal speed it did not even look like a very low catch he
98 Itsonlyme : Well this is terrible news - Kevin Pietersen has been ruled out of the rest of the series due to having surgery on his achillies! He was in doubt for
99 NAV20 : Bell is an estimable batsman and a good close fielder who bowls useful spin as well. As far as I'm concerned, if Pietersen is 'unavailable,' Bell has
100 Davehammer : Recently he's also been capable of getting out for a duck with alarming regularity and looking like a rabbit in the headlights. Something just isn't
101 Scbriml : The loss of KP would seem to be a big blow for England. It could be argued that he was some way below his best (because of the injury), and he won't b
102 Post contains links NAV20 : Interesting to follow Australia's match against Northamptonshire. It's a good 'fixture' for practice since it's in the same 'latitude' as Birmingham (
103 Tsv : Clark needs to be in the side. If Johnson doesn't pull his socks up then he should be out on his ear (although if his batting becomes more consistent
104 Scbriml : It did in 2005, but it was a mighty close thing!
105 NAV20 : Couldn't agree more, Tsv. Too often, to my mind, people equate sheer speed with effectiveness. That was true enough about the very best - the Trumans
106 Tsv : You know we are going to go well in the UK when we have a genuine swing bowler. Massey, Alderman, Rieffel, to name a few. Hilfenhaus is close but not
107 Tsv : The Poms employing the best weapon in their defence of their 1-0 series lead - the Pommy weather. Australia might have to select a Collins Class Sub t
108 NAV20 : Looks like the only winner today will be the weather............. Can't help thinking, though, that Phil Hughes is the biggest loser. Even if he WAS g
109 CPH-R : Presumably the run-ups will also be slightly dodgy and the outfield quite wet, increasing the chances of boundaries as well as fields slipping and sl
110 Tsv : One time we won the toss when it was a bit damp we bowled and had the opposition 6 for 22. Then it rained and we had to get off but they made us come
111 NAV20 : Terrific start by Australia! And Watson sure silenced his critics . They'll maybe miss Haddin's middle-order batting, though.
112 CPH-R : Unbelievable start on day 2! 2 wickets in the first 2 balls
113 David_itl : 203-8 at lunch with Anderson getting in on the act = he's got 4 wickets in this spell.
114 Tsv : Good grief what's going on? Go out to tea, come home and 7 wickets have fallen!
115 NAV20 : Test cricket really is the 'pinnacle' of the game. Australia would (justifiably) have been feeling that, after one session yesterday, they had establi
116 Baroque : Continuation of a high proportion of bowled in the Aus dismissals as at Lords, but LBW suddenly prominent. Mind you the one that got Manou must surely
117 Tsv : Wow didn't see this but it must have been interesting ... "There was a controversial moment just before the close of play with umpire Rudi Koertzen ru
118 Post contains images NAV20 : About Koertzen, in his defence, 'lip-reading' the comment he made as Johnson walked back, he appears to have said 'Two noises...." 'Hotspot' later sho
119 Baroque : And a couple of Aus batsmen's LBs were a bit doubtful, but certainly one should have been out earlier when "plumb". Maybe Mitch would have been plumb
120 Tsv : Still no play so they (SBS) are replaying the first day. Weather like this would have to favour the batting team so England are definitely in the box
121 David_itl : Apparently the ground is sodden plus it was raining, so I woudn't mind betting that today's play will be abanoned. I'd be off to see a much more impor
122 Baroque : Oh good, sunny at 7.00 pm Sat, Sun OK, and Mon "light" rain again. This follows In July the sun is hot, Is it shining? Not it's not.
123 Scbriml : A very disappointing day. England's only hope now will be to try and build a lead of 200-250, then try to bowl Australia out on the last day. Unfortun
124 NAV20 : As so often in test matches, so much depends on 'the next day.' The lugubrious Geoff Boycott is fond of saying, "If you think you've got a good score
125 CPH-R : Finally, we have cricket!
126 CPH-R : Well, well. England at 177/5 just after lunch, so it looks like we'll be heading for a draw. Even if Australia bowls out England at around Tea, I doub
127 Tsv : QED. That's got to be a candidate for joke of the year!
128 CPH-R : Yeah, I stand corrected on that. Australia have definantly let it slip, letting Flintoff get away with so many boundaries.
129 Tsv : Talk about half volley city ... Man even I could clobber those. Athers is saying something about there has always been at least one bowler who has let
130 CPH-R : Depending on how Australia gets off after tea, looks like I might not be too far off the mark It all depends on the Australian bowlers, as both Broad
131 NAV20 : Fantastic day so far. My 'two wickets' scenario came true before lunch - very much Australia's session. But then King Freddie ascended to the throne..
132 David_itl : Have you read about the Twenty20 bowl-out between Lancashire and Somerset the occurred after the actual game called 3 times because, rather suprising
133 Tsv : Well if Australia lose 4 wickets for about 80 in the first session that would make them 6 for about 40 odd in front. Last 3 then add 50 odd then Engla
134 Baroque : Draw, spelled D R A W. That ball got wet and I think Jimmy will find he has lost his hoop. Then again, you could be right, but I will bet that ball f
135 Post contains links NAV20 : As so often, "Depends on what happens in the first session." But England hold all the cards on the face of it. The ball is 28 overs old and already s
136 Tsv : Absolutely especially Freddie's batting but also don't forget to give a little bit of credit to their 13th man Rudi ...
137 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Drinks in the second session and Clarke and North are more than holding their own. Maybe the new ball will work a minor miracle, but the odds are now
138 Baroque : I could say I toldcher, cos I did. Seems the main hope was Bopara!
139 Tsv : And did you pick who didn't have their Baggy Green on?
140 NAV20 : Dunno, mate - just got the glimpse. Maybe Shane Watson? Or Haddin?
141 Flyboysp : Finally someone else who thinks he same about Cascade. Methinks it's Haddin, but it's based on a partially obscured look
142 NAV20 : Interesting selection questions for both teams. England have called up Arnie Sidebottom (left-arm fast-medium swing); and Jonathan Trott, who is avera
143 Tsv : Yep that's what I thought too. Seriously? Except give away too many easy runs. They'd really want to make sure that the pitch isn't going to take too
144 Baroque : You are just getting older ..... but it is also happening in a bum's rush as you so gently put it! England could do worse that experiment a bit. Give
145 Tsv : I make the proportion to be 46/54 then.
146 NAV20 : Yes, quite serious, Tsv. Provided he's fit, 'Slantarse' (as I believe he is known) offers needed variation - fast-medium left-arm over-or-round stuff
147 Baroque : Sidey has taken about 50% more wickets than Broad in about the same # of tests at about 2/3 the cost and half the batting average. Well so far Englan
148 David_itl : Arnie Sidebottom? Surely you mean Ryan Sidebottom, unless you want to bring back a retired Yorkshire bowler on the basis of "horses for courses"? Fli
149 Baroque : However Ryan is still horses for courses is he not. Riverside!! Tests in Durham, whatever next! Hope they still remember Frank Tyson there. One of th
150 NAV20 : Have mildly to disagree, Baroque. 'Freddie' has arguably given his all - to the extent of possibly crippling himself for life. He's no longer part of
151 Baroque : Oh I would not play him for a moment he is not fit. But lacking Freddie makes the Aus batsmen a bit less nervous. Even if he did not get them out at
152 Tsv : They just had Warnie on the Footy Show and Sam asked him if he would come back if they raised a million dollars for his charity ....
153 NAV20 : BBC says that Flintoff is definitely out. Apparently the medicos refused to pump any more cortisone into him. Farewell, mate, a happy retirement, and
154 Tsv : Good grief Charlie Brown! We get rid of Rudi and his "You've got to be plumb three times before I give you out if you're a Pom" and we get Billy "Bend
155 Tsv : North takes an absolute screamer off Siddle and Strauss is out for 3.
156 CPH-R : I wonder, just what is the lowest average for someone batting at number 3 in an ashes series?!
157 Tsv : 5 for 75 now. This is like the England of old.
158 Baroque : Gilmore was even more deadly.[Edited 2009-08-07 05:07:21]
159 NAV20 : Emphatically Australia's morning! Most of us reckoned that Oz should play Stuart Clark - and they did. Several of us reckoned that England should fire
160 Tsv : England All Out for 102. Definitely a toss to lose.
161 Swiftski : As an Englishman living in Australia, I can only imagine the piss taking I will get tomorrow.
162 Tsv : Don't get too far ahead of yourself, we've lost one already. Nine more in quick time and there won't be any piss taking.
163 CPH-R : 56 runs in 7 overs. Is this a test or Twenty20?
164 Tsv : Yes amazing since i wrote my last post. Was over 8 per over at one point. Now just over 6. You can actually get the feeling that England know they've
165 David_itl : Can we guess when England will have capitulated by tomorrow morning? I'm reserving the time period 12.25 to 12.35. 82-5 overnght after a 52 opening st
166 CPH-R : I bet you're not the only person surprised to realise that.. It must really suck to be the owner of a ticket for monday - unless of course Australia
167 David_itl : Unfortunately, England's made a habit of trying to get as many bowlers who have some batting ability into the side even if the conditions are not cond
168 Tsv : Yes hard to determine if it hit bat or pad first or both together either way he probably should have been given the benefit of the doubt. I was about
169 David_itl : Two out in the 1st half hour, but Swann and Broad enjoying fantastic stand of 85 in 10 overs: they've clonked 49 in the last 3 overs! Broad now out: 1
170 David_itl : 245-8 at lunch. 163 added in only 24 overs. Wish this could result in some pyschological damage for the Australian bowlers, but don't think we'll be s
171 David_itl : and all over. Australia win by innings and 80 runs. Apparently England's set a new record in this match- the 1st time numbers 3, 4 and 5 have not got
172 Tsv : I think they were actually trying to raise the ghost of Botham in 81 ... Probably no pyscholgical damage as these days they can just pretend they are
173 NAV20 : England selectors in a flat spin, it seems. Pietersen has 'complications,' Anderson has a ligament strain, it now appears to be clear to them that Bop
174 Tsv : Can turn around again.
175 Tsv : Bump ... Selections are going to be interesting. I think this one will be tight.
176 Aussie18 : Lee-Dont expect to be picked. I reckon Ponting will decide at last minute between Hauritz and Clark,Other than that expect the side to stay the same u
177 Tsv : No activity here. Is everyone watching or asleep or finally got a life?
178 NAV20 : Hi Tsv........ The old joke used to be, "Two things in cricket you can't argue with - your wife telling you to give it up, and the other lot getting a
179 Tsv : Yes Nav certainly England off ot a good start but 4 down at the moment so Australia have fought back a bit. Your mate Bell last out for seventy someth
180 Tsv : 8 for 300 and something at stumps. Honours almost even although I think England actually have their nose in front particularly if the last two add a b
181 Tsv : Looks like we are having the performance and the session that changes the Match and Series. Broad has just taken 4 for 8 in 21 balls. England definite
182 Baroque : Notice how the pitches are always easy paced and true from the commentary box. I suspect we would have moved pitches if we had had one like that in t
183 Tsv : Make matters worse North just gets a clanger of a decision from Rauf where he clearly inside edged it onto his back pad. He must be in Rudi's court an
184 Baroque : Well at least it was not a no ball and the bails were still on!! Oops does Haddin normally bat with just the two stumps?
185 David_itl : All out for 160. Sorry, was that England doing another famous collapse? No, just Australia doing a good impression!
186 Flyboysp : At least you acknowledge that England are the best at collapsing
187 Gkirk : Looks like they're trying their best....39-3
188 Danfearn77 : Come on England!! Bit of a front order collapse but we have got to get atleast at 150..
189 Fruitbat : So a lead of 230 at the close of play...scene set for a dashing freddie 50 tomorrow, get the lead to 350+ then let him rip for the last time in test c
190 David_itl : it 's one thing collapsing when chasing a total of over 300, quite another when you are over 170 ahead and setting a target. I did read in this morni
191 NAV20 : All it needs now, to be genuine 'Boys Own Paper' stuff, is for England to lose more quick wickets and give Stuart Broad the chance to score a match-cl
192 Baroque : The second innings Aus score at Lords should give England pause for thought until they get to be 500 ahead (which will NOT happen). But this IS a diff
193 NAV20 : Except for the (frankly incredible, for the second day on a test match wicket) turn and bounce in Swann's second spell, after he changed ends. Must a
194 Baroque : No way, he would have done what he about to try to do, bat for a day. Wonder how long he will manage in this resumed innings!!! As a former England o
195 NAV20 : I'm sure you're right. This is an odd situation really - we virtually have a 'timeless test' to watch. There are STILL eight full sessions to go, and
196 Tsv : I definitely wasn't in that group. Wanna bet? Based on that logic one plus one does equal three! Yep they are not agressively trying to win the Test
197 Tsv : Despite my disgust at the pitch Australia really does deserve to lose this as evidenced by Johnson's bowling. Stupid bouncers, wides, no balls - this
198 Fruitbat : Sorry my friend, 529 and counting.....or were you suggesting that England would declare well before 500? Strauss is still fairly inexpeienced and wil
199 Baroque : Apparently I do not. Mind I only bet on certainties, and even England NOT getting 500 ahead was not totally certain. Mind you Freddie bowling short s
200 Fruitbat : Me too, perhaps I'm being too English but 80-0 with relative ease and 6 sessions to go.....hmmmmmmm.....could be a lot closer than people think! Will
201 DIJKKIJK : The pitch is really dead now. I don't expect Broad to be as effective as he was in his first innings. That leaves Swann to do all the work. Maybe they
202 NAV20 : Can't escape the feeling that Strauss lost his touch a bit in that last session. There seemed to be absolutely no need to set such unorthodox fields (
203 Gkirk : Australia just need to bat out the last two days to draw, yes?
204 David_itl : Two wickets taken in the first 20 minutes today - Katich lbw to Swann and Watson lbw to Broad (though this one is unlucky)
205 Baroque : Indeed and then as David comments two quick fingers and it looks different, or then again does it. Broad still seems to be able to get some response
206 Aussie18 : Ponting and Hussey are batting quite nervously at the moment,Hussey needs to score a big score to retain his spot for next upcoming test series. 115-2
207 David_itl : Ponting and Clarke both run out in consecutive overs.
208 Baroque : I was going to suggest that only a run out would break the partnership, but Flintoff beat me to it. Then Clarke - wow, stiff Trott as they now will sa
209 David_itl : England has won - Australia 348 all out
210 Danfearn77 : Yehhhhhhhh!!!!! What an incredible final test. Well done England!
211 Baroque : Even at 6 fer, I was wondering and then came Harmie. I knew there MUST have been a reason why I wanted him to play!!! Well done England. And well don
212 CPH-R : And in Umpiring terms, I guess having Rudi and Rauf was the key?
213 Baroque : As they would say in Little Britain, Yer but. Don't forget how low a score Watto would have been out for in most of his innings had Hawkeye had the s
214 CPH-R : Sadly (or fortunately) we don't get cricket news overhere Either case, this series was a bit of a lose/lose situation, as I dislike either team, so n
215 SpeedBirdA380 : Well done boys! Enjoy the win but make sure when we head down under next year we don't embarrass ourselves like we did a few years ago. Was nice to se
216 NAV20 : Fantastically entertaining series, and I think most would agree that the result was fair; Australia won many of the battles but England won the overal
217 Fruitbat : Couldn't agree more, a really enjoyable series played in the right spirit by all concerned. Hope we put up a better show in 2010/11 than we did last
218 Baroque : Yes, here Channel Nine has a great history of excellent coverage - aside from the bloody ads that is - but Channel Nine is getting bitten by competit
219 Tsv : Yes it was very good bowling but there is a lot of discussion around what effect that little bit of rain had.
220 Davehammer : A shame indeed but the Sky coverage is excellent. Great result on Sunday and brilliant to be at the Oval.
221 Post contains links Fruitbat : Not disputing that - their golf coverage is excellent too and puts the BBC to shame - my concerns revolve around the fact that having (by definition)
222 Baroque : I will try to find the SBS figures for Aus. Wonder if the numbers rose or fell as the countdown passed 6! I noted rather nervously that until that po
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