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No Such Thing As Work-Life Balance Says Jack Welch  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that former General Electric Co. Chief Executive Officer Jack Welch has some blunt words for women climbing the corporate ladder: you may have to choose between taking time off to raise children and reaching the corner office.

"There's no such thing as work-life balance," Mr. Welch told the Society for Human Resource Management's annual conference in New Orleans on June 28. "There are work-life choices, and you make them, and they have consequences."

Mr. Welch said those who take time off for family could be passed over for promotions if "you're not there in the clutch."

Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124726415198325373.html

Rather cold-hearted and somewhat cruel to women, in my opinion. Especially from the man that billed tens of thousands of dollars in flowers delivered to his personal residence in NYC to the stockholders of General Electric.   

[Edited 2009-07-13 14:56:34]


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User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3319 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that former General Electric Co. Chief Executive Officer Jack Welch has some blunt words for women climbing the corporate ladder: you may have to choose between taking time off to raise children and reaching the corner office.

"There's no such thing as work-life balance," Mr. Welch told the Society for Human Resource Management's annual conference in New Orleans on June 28. "There are work-life choices, and you make them, and they have consequences."

Mr. Welch said those who take time off for family could be passed over for promotions if "you're not there in the clutch."

Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124726415198325373.html

Rather cold-hearted and somewhat cruel to women, in my opinion. Especially from the man that billed tens of thousands of flowers delivered to his personal residence in NYC to the stockholders of General Electric. irked

Who is he to say things like that. I see plenty of women who go and make a living at work and still have beautiful families and life witch makes accusations like this a load of crap.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3306 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
"There are work-life choices, and you make them, and they have consequences."

Isn't that the just another way of saying work-life balance?  Confused

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Rather cold-hearted and somewhat cruel to women, in my opinion.

Other than the fact that women give birth, I'm not sure why it's specifically cruel to women. If you leave your job to raise a family/climb a mountain/contemplate your navel, you're going to miss opportunities, whether you're a man or a woman. That's life.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

It is thinking like that in part is destroying America, especially the children. Being forced to give total loyalty to your employer over your family or your sanity is one of the most destructive behaviors of Americans, at least in Europe they tend to consider a far better balance.

User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1283 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3212 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
It is thinking like that in part is destroying America, especially the children. Being forced to give total loyalty to your employer over your family or your sanity is one of the most destructive behaviors of Americans, at least in Europe they tend to consider a far better balance.

No one's being forced. All he's saying is if you decide to make your family your priority in life (a good decision for most people), you probably won't go as far in your career as you might otherwise. Pretty common sense to me, I don't see how it's offensive.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Methinks people are having issues with this because he targeted this mainly at women, which for obvious biological reasons are the main audience. Telling the truth that life choices affect your experience is not cold-hearted, it's the truth; and lying is cold-hearted. Falsely propping up people because it is politically correct can lead them to make bad choices, bad long-term choices. It isn't any different than a mortgage broker telling a family they can afford a house with no money down and that ARMs are a great idea.

And Welch's comments are hardly limited to women, or child-care even.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3191 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
It is thinking like that in part is destroying America, especially the children. Being forced to give total loyalty to your employer over your family or your sanity is one of the most destructive behaviors of Americans, at least in Europe they tend to consider a far better balance.

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[quote=A346Dude,reply=4]No one's being forced. All he's saying is if you decide to make your family your priority in life (a good decision for most people), you probably won't go as far in your career as you might otherwise. Pretty common sense to me, I don't see how it's offens

Your decision, correct, but ridiculous just the same and it does force people and their families to sacrifice for the good of the corporation. How much are you supposed to give up for position and money?



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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3189 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
Being forced to give total loyalty to your employer over your family or your sanity is one of the most destructive behaviors of Americans

And yet many of us Americans continue to give that loyalty of employers, while most employers have no such loyalty to their American workers or the communities in which they live and do business.  banghead 



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3183 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 7):
And yet many of us Americans continue to give that loyalty of employers, while most employers have no such loyalty to their American workers or the communities in which they live and do business.

Excellent point. I could not agree more. Greed comes first.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3178 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
Rather cold-hearted and somewhat cruel to women, in my opinion. Especially from the man that billed tens of thousands of dollars in flowers delivered to his personal residence in NYC to the stockholders of General Electric.

It's cold hearted to parents, but I suppose it is true. Some professional people choose not to have children (or get married at all, re Condoleezza Rice), their child is there career. But, Welch is an old man, his opinion isn't necessarily representative of the 21st century white-collar workplace. Besides, what about all the MEN who need to take care of their children. Fathers have an equal part in raising children, or they should.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3170 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 9):
But, Welch is an old man, his opinion isn't necessarily representative of the 21st century white-collar workplace. Besides, what about all the MEN who need to take care of their children. Fathers have an equal part in raising children, or they should.

I do think his way of thinking is alive and well in 21st century American Corporate Boardrooms, he would not have been asked to make that speech if someone was not thinking like him. At that level, the family is secondary anyway, hire a Nanny, send them off to school, anything to be in the game. Do you think he was a good Father? They who aspire to those heights do not think like us.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3165 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 8):
Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 7):
And yet many of us Americans continue to give that loyalty of employers, while most employers have no such loyalty to their American workers or the communities in which they live and do business.

Excellent point. I could not agree more. Greed comes first.

Right, loyalty. Especially coming from the union guy!!

People change jobs all the time when offered a better opportunity. Unions strike to fight for better conditions. That is not loyalty. And I'm not criticizing here, loyalty here would be dumb. Every worker looks out for himself and family, as they should, unionized or not.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3150 times:



Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 10):
I do think his way of thinking is alive and well in 21st century American Corporate Boardrooms, he would not have been asked to make that speech if someone was not thinking like him.

You're right, people still think like this, but they should not. Some people still think women cannot equal men in the corporate world.

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 10):
At that level, the family is secondary anyway, hire a Nanny, send them off to school, anything to be in the game. Do you think he was a good Father? They who aspire to those heights do not think like us.

I don't know about his parenting skills. I don't believe family or friends should come secondary at any level. But this is an individual position. My joy in life comes from family and friends, and I'm not going to put my own joy second. Then again, I already determine my own future and I'm not aching to climb someone else's corporate ladder, I can climb my own. I just don't believe anyone's kids should believe that daddy "is the man who comes home on the weekend, kisses mommy, and heads right back out the door".



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17420 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3146 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):
You're right, people still think like this, but they should not. Some people still think women cannot equal men in the corporate world.

Do you think the CEO of GM can go on pa/maternity leave and come right back afterward as if nothing happened? That's not realistic. It's a fact of life. You make choices, and sometimes those choices mean missing other opportunities.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3144 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 11):
Right, loyalty. Especially coming from the union guy!!

I was agreeing and pointing out that union, or non-union, we are Americans, we have families to support, we have communities, it is about time corporations showed some loyalty to their fellow Americans. I am a union person, but I am also a loyal American, I support jobs for my fellow Americans, union or non-union.

[quote=PPVRA,reply=11]People change jobs all the time when offered a better opportunity. Unions strike to fight for better conditions. That is not loyalty. And I'm not criticizing here, loyalty here would be dumb. Every worker looks out for himself and family, as they should, unionized or not.

I agree, you are not going to stay in a lesser paying job, if you can get more. that does not usually hold true for union jobs. Some maybe, not the type I worked, communications. Everyone was paid union scale in my local. Sometimes there was a differential in larger cities. Loyalty was very important at one time, not many have it anymore, a sad commentary on our country.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8871 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3142 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):
I don't know about his parenting skills. I don't believe family or friends should come secondary at any level. But this is an individual position. My joy in life comes from family and friends, and I'm not going to put my own joy second. Then again, I already determine my own future and I'm not aching to climb someone else's corporate ladder, I can climb my own. I just don't believe anyone's kids should believe that daddy "is the man who comes home on the weekend, kisses mommy, and heads right back out the door".

I hope that I do not get jumped on for this, being union and all, but I could not agree with you more. Good values to me.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2423 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3136 times:



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 13):
Do you think the CEO of GM can go on pa/maternity leave and come right back afterward as if nothing happened? That's not realistic. It's a fact of life. You make choices, and sometimes those choices mean missing other opportunities.

Nope, and I'm not desirous of that position. CEOs of big cos usually have assistants though. Don't call my work number after 3pm, you'll get a recording. I'll get back to you at maybe 10-11am next business day, lol. I need time for my relaxation and extensive social life.



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