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Soldier Won't Deploy: Claims Obama Not President  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Well, the crap continues for the Obama-haters and their conspiracy theories that Obama isn't the legitimate President, even though it has been debunked over and over again.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/breaking_news/story/776335.html

Don't want to deply, soldier? Then you can have a Dishonorable Discharge for failing to follow the chain of command.

L-188, is this guy related to you or something?  Big grin

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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4491 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Then you can have a Dishonorable Discharge for failing to follow the chain of command.

Dishonorable discharge? How about insubordination? A little time in the brig should be sufficient.

This is an easy one.

NEXT!



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6087 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4469 times:
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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Don't want to deply, soldier? Then you can have a Dishonorable Discharge for failing to follow the chain of command.



Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
Dishonorable discharge? How about insubordination? A little time in the brig should be sufficient.

I can't believe it but I am agreeing with DLX and Falcon 84....

This is probably just somebody being a wimp. Just like those people who wouldn't deploy under Bush because they felt war was immoral. If you don't like war then don't join the Army. When you join the Army you sign up for whatever it brings. Armies fight, that is their job.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Well, the crap continues for the Obama-haters and their conspiracy theories that Obama isn't the legitimate President, even though it has been debunked over and over again.

This guy is just a wimp plain and simple. Maybe he doesn't want to go to war for Obama, neither would I, but he should be there to stand up for his unit, his friends, and his country. What does it say to the guys he serves with when he pulls the "I don't want to serve under Obama card"?

Even if you don't think Obama was born in the USA it is very hard to dispute he is a US citizen.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Obama isn't the legitimate President

He won fair and square. I don't like it but that is the way it is.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4419 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
Dishonorable discharge? How about insubordination? A little time in the brig should be sufficient.

Maybe some time in Leavenworth would do him some good for the next 10 years.



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Acting as a self-appointed PR officer and backbencher for Obama (not that I dislike the guy or the job he's doing) and the Democratic party isn't exactly original content.


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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3741 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

I just fail to see how he and his lawyer manage to believe that their line of defense is a valid one at all...

He's probably just a coward.

And Obama didn't start these wars anyway, if he wants someone to blame for them, he'll have to look elsewhere.



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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4233 times:

Should've went with the "I'm not going because this war is wrong/illegal/whatever" at least he'll get support from ACLU, moveon.org, code pink, Al-Qaeda, etc.

Using the Obama card won't get him any help, not even from conservatives.



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User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 872 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Would he have gone if McCain had won? I doubt it.

What I don't get is how he got to the rank of major.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Gee, another "Obama Hater Thread" featuring one misguided individual who somehow represents a huge number of people. And now it appears that there is more to story than the linked article provides.

http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html

Earlier today, Quon said Cook submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8, 2009 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan with Special Operations Command, U.S. Army Central Command, beginning July 15, 2009. The soldier's orders were issued on June 9, Quon said.

"A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," Quon said.


So the truth is he volunteered to serve and now has asked for a revocation. Quite different than an a soldier that is ordered to report and refuses the order. Something tells me this is a nut job who did this soley to be able to further this lawyers idiotic claim.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 9):
Should've went with the "I'm not going because this war is wrong/illegal/whatever" at least he'll get support from ACLU, moveon.org, code pink, Al-Qaeda, etc.

Using the Obama card won't get him any help, not even from conservatives.

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Well we know what's in store for this guy. Hard to believe he made it to field grade before melting down.


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Side note, Lily Gordon and her editor need to work on their writing. From the original story.

and status as a conscientious objector for her client.

the California-based Taitz asks the court to consider granting his client%u2019s request based upon

So is Orly a man or a woman?


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12134 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4163 times:



Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2):
Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Don't want to deply, soldier? Then you can have a Dishonorable Discharge for failing to follow the chain of command.



Quoting D L X (Reply 1):
Dishonorable discharge? How about insubordination? A little time in the brig should be sufficient.

I can't believe it but I am agreeing with DLX and Falcon 84....



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 3):
Well, first and foremost, I would like to say that this guy is true scum. He signed up to protect this country and he has chickened out and is blaming Obama for doing so? He should be ashamed.



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
He's probably just a coward.

None of you guys understand how the US Military, or the UCMJ works. This Major saw the order as an illegal order, as he believes Obama is not qualified, under the US Constitution to be the POTUS. He has filed suit in a Federal Court to find out if Obama is a natueral born US Citizen. Under the UCMJ any military personel cannot obey an illegal order, and must oppose it. Obama isn't helping any by not releasing his long form birth certificate, issued by the State of Hawaii. The short form issued by his campagin in 2008 does not have an embosed state seal indicating it is authentic. Apparently, now the US Army agrees with him as his orders have been revolked. If Obama is not qualified under the US Constitution, he will be removed from office, and the 2008 election will be looked at to determine if Biden or McCain is POTUS. Any and all bills Obama signed, should he be proven to be ineligable to be POTUS, will also be revolked. The birth certificate issue also brings his US Senate from IL seat into question, as je would also be inelegible for that, also.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104009

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
Obama didn't start these wars anyway

Correct, al Qaeda did.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 9):
Using the Obama card won't get him any help, not even from conservatives.

Please don't speak for conservatives, as you would be wrong.

Quoting Offloaded (Reply 10):
Would he have gone if McCain had won? I doubt it.

McCain was born in a US Military Hospital on a US Base, in the Canal Zone in Panama to US Citizens. His father was assigned there during his USN career. According to the SCOTUS, that makes him a natueral born citizen.

So, I doubt this Major would have challanged any orders issued by a President McCain.


User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4144 times:

Not to go too off topic here, but didn't this also happen under Bush?


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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4134 times:
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Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
Obama didn't start these wars anyway

Correct, al Qaeda did.

Iraq?

Maybe they can get a gay guy to replace him.. oh wait...



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Obama isn't helping any by not releasing his long form birth certificate, issued by the State of Hawaii.

And why would it convince birthers when the short form hasn't satisfied them nor has the birth announcement from the Honolulu Advertiser

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
The short form issued by his campagin in 2008 does not have an embosed state seal indicating it is authentic.

What's this then? Sorry, KC135 but it does, indeed, have an embossed state seal

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

[Edited 2009-07-15 07:38:42]


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4131 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
He has filed suit in a Federal Court to find out if Obama is a natueral born US Citizen.

Well he is probably not that, but his being born in the US does appear to be incontrovertible. Unless you are suggesting a cesarean would disqualify him. I don't know if that cul de sac has been pursued. Perhaps Burnham Wood has come to Constitution Avenue, or perhaps in the case of the US it should be "till the Wilderness shall come to Constitution Avenue". Help me there const of US experts and those who know the Scottish Play.


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4118 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
This Major saw the order as an illegal order, as he believes Obama is not qualified, under the US Constitution to be the POTUS. He has filed suit in a Federal Court to find out if Obama is a natueral born US Citizen

Already decided by US Federal Courts that the birth certificate is Obama's. Appeals to the US Supreme Court were denied as without foundation.

The Major failed to follow the UCMJ requirements for an illegal order.

He is just a publicity seeking blowhard disgrace to the uniform, as is anyone who believes this BS.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3741 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4118 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
None of you guys understand how the US Military, or the UCMJ works. This Major saw the order as an illegal order, as he believes Obama is not qualified, under the US Constitution to be the POTUS. He has filed suit in a Federal Court to find out if Obama is a natueral born US Citizen.

You're right, I revise my statement. He's not a coward, he's just plain mad.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
The short form issued by his campagin in 2008 does not have an embosed state seal indicating it is authentic. Apparently, now the US Army agrees with him as his orders have been revolked. If Obama is not qualified under the US Constitution, he will be removed from office, and the 2008 election will be looked at to determine if Biden or McCain is POTUS. Any and all bills Obama signed, should he be proven to be ineligable to be POTUS, will also be revolked. The birth certificate issue also brings his US Senate from IL seat into question, as je would also be inelegible for that, also.

If it keeps you hoping...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
Obama didn't start these wars anyway

Correct, al Qaeda did.

Believe it or not, that's exactly what I meant.  Smile



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4109 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
Obama isn't helping any by not releasing his long form birth certificate

And again, where is Falcon with his "not this shit again?" picture?

Newspaper announcement of Obama's Birth in Honolulu:
http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961...ement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...t-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/ObamaBirthStarBulletin.jpg

ANNENBERG (Republican) Political Fact Check:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

Will you accept it now? Don't walk away from this question - answer it.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
McCain was born in a US Military Hospital on a US Base, in the Canal Zone in Panama to US Citizens. His father was assigned there during his USN career. According to the SCOTUS, that makes him a natueral born citizen.

What case is that? Please provide the name.

And why is it that McCain's being born to American citizens is enough for you, but Obama's being born to an American is not?


Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 12):
None of you guys understand how the US Military, or the UCMJ works.

I'm not sure you do!



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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Quoting Baroque (Reply 16):
Perhaps Burnham Wood has come to Constitution Avenue, or perhaps in the case of the US it should be "till the Wilderness shall come to Constitution Avenue". Help me there const of US experts and those who know the Scottish Play.

Using that metaphor would that make George W. Bush the titular character of the Scottish Play or John McCain? In either event, one wonders who the three witches would be? Greta Van Susteren, Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter?

[Edited 2009-07-15 07:43:52]


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4103 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 11):
Gee, another "Obama Hater Thread" featuring one misguided individual who somehow represents a huge number of people.

Well, it would appear that this one misguided individual does actually represent KC135TopBoom, who claims to be ex-military.



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User currently offlineMichlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4090 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 20):
Using that metaphor would thatmake George W. Bush the titular character of the Scottish Play or John McCain? In either event, one wonders who the three witches would be? Greta Van Susteren, Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter?



Quoting D L X (Reply 19):
And again, where is Falcon with his "not this shit again?" picture?

And again we agree.



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

Erm, wow!

What a jerk this guy is. Someone boot him out of the military already.......



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Why can't someone who is a legal child of a US citizen but (unfortunately) wasn't born on US soil can't be a POTUS? Isn't that called 'discrimination'?

It's a pity when someone who has all the capability of being a president of a great country can't be one because of this silly legal technicality.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4033 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 17):

Using that metaphor would that make George W. Bush the titular character of the Scottish Play or John McCain? In either event, one wonders who the three witches would be? Greta Van Susteren, Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter?

I was stuck at the untimely ripped stage but you are right, who ARE the dramatis personae?

I defer to your experience about the 3 ws, sounds about right. Surely McCain now has to be either the titular person but could also be Banquo or rather his ghost. Palin must have read for the part of McDuff even if McC wanted it but presumably Obama took it (a shoe in due to his not being naturally born). I think she was left with Lady Titular Person (which gels with some opinions around here I might add). This argues for McCain being the titular person. Surely we can find Banquo.

Can we agree on W as Duncan perhaps? I will again totally defer about the three murderers. Maybe some on this thread read for those parts?  duck 


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4030 times:



Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
Well, the crap continues for the Obama-haters and their conspiracy theories that Obama isn't the legitimate President, even though it has been debunked over and over again.

Actually Obama himself is doing a good job himself to prove it. Have you seen his approval ratings?

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2):
Even if you don't think Obama was born in the USA it is very hard to dispute he is a US citizen.

Even though I think he is a terrible president I do have to laugh at the people that say he is not a citizen and is a Muslim. It's pretty ignorant.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4017 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 21):
Why can't someone who is a legal child of a US citizen but (unfortunately) wasn't born on US soil can't be a POTUS?

They can be - nothing stops that individual from being president. Keep in mind the US concept of birthright citizenship is based on a hybrid of jus sanguinis and jus soli. As a result a child born to a US citizen born overseas is still a US citizen eligible to serve as president.



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25 Mt99 : Did you ever criticize Bush's approval ratings? I think most people were ready to accept that Obama's approval rating would fall. How could not they?
26 Falstaff : That is for sure, but everyone leftist want to blame it on Bush and spare the terrorists from being offended. Who is this guy guy? It is written in t
27 RFields5421 : You are wrong on this. In 1936 when McCain was born, the children born of US military members serving overseas did not have specific legal status def
29 KC135TopBoom : Damon, I have nothing to prove to someone who may be an ambulance chaser. I have never said he is a muslim. Any muslim would never think about attemd
30 RFields5421 : No it is not discrimination. It is in the Constitution that the president must be a 'natural born citizen'. Many if not most nations have similar qua
31 Mt99 : guy guy? They are the ones calling him a "Savior". Nobody else does. Nothing in an absolute - again part of this whole craving for a "perfect leader"
32 Michlis : That's not entirely accurate. Lawyers tend to blur the line between black and white, but that doesn't mean it isn't so.[Edited 2009-07-15 09:18:15]
33 Post contains links Slider : I wonder and ask aloud why his orders to deploy were revoked now. Curious, isn’t it? I thought his comment here is actually quite thoughtful and it
34 D L X : Really? That's your response? Why can't you just answer the question: does all that evidence I showed you satisfy your questions about his citizenshi
35 Afterburner : What I understand is that somebody who was born outside US soil is eligible to be the POTUS if BOTH his/her parents are US citizens. He/she can't if
36 RFields5421 : There is currently no legal requirement for both parents to be US citizens, only one. Also understand their is no current law defining 'natural born
37 Post contains links and images Falcon84 : Oh, is that kind of like quitting, but saying you're not a quitter?   Well, the Major isn't the judge and jury on that one. The American people are-
38 Slider : LOL! Oh yeah, the laser printer “certificate” that doesn’t match the syntax or form used in 1961. And a newspaper “announcement” that has h
39 Falcon84 : YOUR waiting. America isn't. Most of America has gotten beyond that. I mean, they DID elect him president, didn't they? So for a large number of peop
40 D L X : Since you are so knowledgeable, why don't you show us all an example of an authentic 1961 Hawaii birth certificate so we can accurately compare? Othe
41 Michlis : Good advice.
42 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : You mean this announcement that has his parents names? Oopsie!
43 Post contains images Arrow : For a bagful of cash (Euros, please), I'll tell you his name. And reveal the details of the plot to get him installed in the White House. For a gener
44 DXing : I don't know, why don't you ask Justice Souter? In this case the officer didn't have a chance to quit since he never started his deployment. A deploy
45 D L X : I hear ya, but it begs the question then - why the hell does he have a lawyer? What is he suing over? Sounds like he doesn't really have standing to
46 Ken777 : To be blunt - the yo-yo is unfit to be an officer, or even a NCO, much less be active in an important area of operations. He simply needs to be given
47 Kingairta : Soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines are not shipped over seas or even allowed transfer from one command to another while an investigation is taking pla
48 Ken777 : What about looking at regs on avoiding orders to a combat zone?
49 JpetekYXMD80 : No, THAT was classic! You know, he shares his father's name... oops.
50 Falcon84 : Pssst. Ailing health is a legitimate reason, DXing. Just thought I'd let you know.[Edited 2009-07-15 13:29:12]
51 7324ever : So Im confused im not big on listing polices Are people aloud to back out like this?
52 Kingairta : It can be covered under article 92. Had is movement date came and passed and he didn't go then you can throw in missing movement. But I'm not sure on
53 LTU932 : If the guy won't deploy just because he thinks Obama isn't the President, then (and regardless of whether you support or loathe Obama) that soldier be
54 Slider : Ah, thank you…I didn’t see that link. The link I clicked was fuzzy. Hey, if anything, that’s all the more reason to present it and end the cont
55 Post contains links Falcon84 : You're the one playing the "game" with this ignorant nonsense, not those of us who have told you, a million times, that the link is out there. Again:
56 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : I agree with BHO on no points, so it is 0%. I agreed with McCain only about 40% of the issues. I voted for President Bush, twice, even though I agree
57 RFields5421 : It has been presented, and authenticated by the Republican National Committee representatives. Are you really trying to get us to believe that Hillar
58 RFields5421 : How many times do you have to hide your head in the sand and deny the evidence in front of you? The birth certificate has been presented, examined an
59 Post contains links Kingairta : Cook's day got even better. Major Cook has been fired from his civilian defense contractor job..... from his attorney's blog... http://www.orlytaitzes
60 Post contains links DXing : Because he's a nut. They come in all shapes, sizes, and political affiliations. There most likely won't be any. As described, he volunteered for this
61 Ken777 : It is obvious that this Major thought everyone up the chain of command was a phucking idiot because they didn't understand his oh-so-thought-out posi
62 JCS17 : Yeah, but it was honorable then...
63 Falcon84 : Actually it was as laughabe-if not moreso-than this one, Jcs. If I remember, some numbnuts wanted out becasue they said they didn't want to carry a g
64 RFields5421 : Since I joined the Navy in 1972, I've heard of various idiots suing to get out of deployment in every administration since. The 'strategy' has varied
65 DeltaMD11 : What really gets me outside of the clear insubordination/dereliction of duty on this major's part is that he is a field grade officer that, until hope
66 Arrow : 1867 to be precise. But it was a joke. I was hoping to point out what an insane debate this is. Who gives a s**t where Obama was born? You guys get h
67 Kingairta : Doesn't matter at this point. Once he opened his fat mouth it was over. An article 32 investigation can still take place if the JAG warrents it on th
68 JpetekYXMD80 : You're wrong, which is on par with the rest of your comments in this thread. What do you know about Hawaii's laws on this? What a comedy this is, jok
69 Yellowstone : I disagree. Though some people who discover they are COs while in the service are undoubtedly lying, others of them probably did have an honest conve
70 JpetekYXMD80 : Oh and you should? A solid majority of conservatives think you're as full of it as the rest of us do.
71 DXing : Yes it does. Perhaps you missed. So that part of it is a done deal. They aren't charging him under any USMJ rules at all. I've got money in my pocket
72 RFields5421 : I won't bet against you. An officer receives his commission from the President and serves at the pleasure of the President. Since this one has made a
73 Afterburner : What if an American woman was raped abroad, became pregnant and decided to keep the baby. According to your logic, this baby will never be eligible t
74 D L X : You are the one that initiated the game! Are you kidding me? Don't back out now! You say the certificate I showed you was a forgery. Show us a real o
75 FlyDeltaJets87 : I agree with you Falcon. But I hope you feel the same way about those who did the same under Bush - troops who refused to deploy because they didn't
76 Post contains links ScrubbsYWG : apparently this man volunteered to go to war... http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/777472.html
77 OA260 : I guess this Soldier can trace his roots back to the Native American Indians...
78 Kingairta : It does matter. If his CO wants he can forgo the NJP and go for a Courts-Martial if an article 32 finds he violated article 88 by starting the whole
79 DXing : I don't see how. According to the Army, he volunteered for duty in Afghanistan and by his service contract retained the right to change his mind up u
80 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : The US Naval Hospital was in the area called the "Canal Zone" in 1936, when McCain was born. Prior to 1990, the "Canal Zone" was US terrority. Jimmy
81 KC135TopBoom : Here, your legal judgement is correct. But, I fail to see why you, and others here continue to call a Major in the US Army Reserve a "nut". Just beca
82 DXing : Let's face some facts. If there had been a serious question as to President Obama's citizenship more powerful people than a major in the reserves and
83 FlyPNS1 : He volunteered to serve then all of the sudden didn't want to serve and his excuse is the president not being a citizen. It's bizarre behavior...henc
84 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : Just so everyone understands I do not blindly support all military people in their quest for justice. Those, like Retired Gen. Moseley, the former CSA
85 Michlis : But in this instance he is not acting as a private citizen and as such he is subject to the UCMJ. I'm not an expert on military law but Kingairta's p
86 KC135TopBoom : The UCMJ does not require any member of the military to give up their constitutional rights. In this case it does not matter his status, whether a ci
87 Post contains links CPH-R : I think this post by a user on anohter forum really says it the best. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4904054#post4904054
88 GDB : Sore loser-ism taken to epic levels. With, as stated, a large dose of the shits.
89 DXing : I'm not denying his right to make his case and speak his peace. At the same time I think his case, and his speech, are nuts. Which won't be followed.
90 DocLightning : Simple. There are a number of psychiatric disorders where people become so convinced of their own correctness that they become psychiatrically blind
91 Michlis : I'm not sure as an officer that he does have rights to speak out against the President like that. Further, even though the President is the Commander
92 KC135TopBoom : " target=_blank>http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...04054 That is a story (or version) I have never heard. All I have heard was that BHO was born
93 Michlis : As an afterthought, if he was really concerned about the legitimacy of the Presidency and the legality of his orders he could have just resigned his
94 RFields5421 : You are inventing fiction again. The hospital where McCain was born was not in the Canal Zone. It was located in Panama. In 1941, President Roosevelt
95 RFields5421 : It was there last fall, Fox checked it. Fox agrees the BC is legitimate. So you don't trust Fox News, you don't trust the Republican Party, you don't
96 RFields5421 : Did you read the State Department link, or only the error filled second link? It clearly says A - singluar. But you are unable to grasp a simple conc
97 DXing : I don't think so. He is questioning the legitimacy of President Obama to hold office, that's not the same a being contemptuous. There are all manner
98 Michlis : It's hardly a simple concept. Try wrapping your brain around the combined federal statutes.
99 RFields5421 : The Commander of SOCCENT is apparently not in the Major's Chain of Command. However, the Commander of SOCCENT is the supervisor of the contract with
100 Michlis : This isn't my area so I'm not sure how the Article is actually exercised by JAG. But at the very least by questioning the legtimacy of the President
101 RFields5421 : If you get into reading the details of the DOS document - you will see some extensive qualifications based upon the 1994 change to the Immigration la
102 Ken777 : For McCain's specific situation the use of plural is correct as both parents were citizens of the US. If one parent had not been a US citizen then he
103 RFields5421 : There is this thing which many conservatives do not understand called a computer. For many states, you can no longer get a photocopy birth certificat
104 RFields5421 : This varies greatly by nation. My children born in the Philippines on a US military base with extra-territorial status had the right to claim Philipp
105 D L X : " target=_blank>http://www.state.gov/documents/organ...7.pdf Did you read what you posted? Page 2: Since 1790, there have been two prerequisites for
106 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : Perhaps, "Doctor", you don't understand the difference. DX, I said the birth certificate DOES NOT include the SSAN. Back in 1961, when a child was bo
107 D L X : Is that in reference to me? I have to admit you totally confused me. What is it about the difference between the Certificate of Live Birth (which I s
108 Falcon84 : And you have the nerve to say lefties treat Obama as a diety? Uh, OK. Therein lies the problem iwth the right these days: you trust a man who is no l
109 Dvk : The Obama haters need to give up on the bogus idea that he is not a citizen. By law and by precedent, he is a natural born citizen because he was born
110 JpetekYXMD80 : Hawaii birth certificates are not public record. Look it up. How about DXing or one. Open your eyes, you're so far in denial.
111 Post contains images Michlis :    Keep up the dismal forecasts...you might just begin to believe it. Enough with "haters" label. I know the left is an authority on "hate" as they
112 RFields5421 : The State of Hawaii has complied with the Patriot Act and does not certify or issue Long Form birth certificates. The Patriot Act encourages standard
113 Falcon84 : I've been on this earth too long to believe that supply-side, trickle-down economics work. It works for one group-the wealthy. No one else.
114 LMP737 : " target=_blank>http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...04009 WND is hardly an unbiased source of information on this subject KC. The game this major
115 Falcon84 : Really? Care to tick them off for us? And, sorry, challenging Bush on policy is not a form of "hate". It is a form of opposition, which, as most peop
116 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : No sir, I just went back and re-read my post. I was answering both you and DocLightning, who is a doctor. I didn't write that as well as I could, sin
117 Falcon84 : I haven't seen any; I don't know of any; only place you might even READ about such people are in right-wing blogs. The only people who are keeping th
118 RFields5421 : Yes, including the most important Supreme Court decision on citizenship - in 1898 - which relied on English Common Law to define US citizenship. The
119 DXing : Ahh...so that's the difference. It's opposition when it's liberals protesting and obstructing. It's hate when conservatives do the same thing. Thanks
120 Falcon84 : If you've ever read anything on history, DXing, the time a President is in office is also called his incumbency. It's called reading up on things. So
121 DL021 : This clown volunteered with the intention of doing this. the judge didn't say the case had no merit, simply that the reason for the case was gone due
122 RFields5421 : I only know from the State of Hawaii web site and other posts across the internet that you can no longer get a Long Form from the state. Maybe his gr
123 Post contains links Falcon84 : http://www.factcheck.org Already been done, Ian. I have no doubt of either. This is just mindless political games, nothing else. Kinda like "filegate
124 DXing : Share a source and maybe you might have some credibility. We are now two administrations removed from President Clinton. How long do you plan to use
125 DXing : Which then begs the question where did factcheck.org get the one that they use for their pictures? Not the same as a birth certificate. I find it str
126 Post contains links Falcon84 : Main Entry: incumbency in-!kum-bun(t)-sE Pronunciation: in-ˈkəm-bən(t)-sē Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural in·cum·ben·cies, Date: circ
127 Falcon84 : A crutch? Do you not know about using something as supporting evidence? That's what it was used for. I said nothing on policy, or legitimate opposito
128 DXing : No. The definition does not apply to the situation it was used in. The speech refers to how he will use the decision as an incumbent running for offi
129 Falcon84 : Wrong. Read the quote again: He uses it in present term, not future. He says that, basically, while he is the incumbent president, it will be one of
130 Ken777 : If it came from a recognized part of the DoD then it's probably legal. Does this nut really believe the President spends time considering if he shoul
131 DXing : Look at the date on the speech, obviously he never got the chance for a second term but even as you say, "while he is the incumbent President". That
132 Michlis : There is nothing wrong with healthy opposition...this is America after all, but a lot of people went way beyond challenging policy to personal attack
133 Scorpio : And the real world as well. From my Cambridge dictionary: Incumbency: During her incumbency as ( = the period during which she was) commissioner, sev
134 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : That dog won't hunt, either, KC135. Parent's race is left to the parents to identify and so long as it's reasonable, Hawaii takes it. From http://www
135 D L X : No biggie. If it is a statute, the newer statute always controls. If it is a judicial opinion, at the Supreme Court, the newer one controls. If it is
136 RFields5421 : I was not asked for any identification in either application. We filled out Social Security number applications in 7th grade civics class in 1964 and
137 KC135TopBoom : How about those school teachers who made their students sing all thosee songs praising BHO during the campagin? How about those women who publicly ex
138 Vikkyvik : Not to get in an argument over a word, but Merriam Webster defines "incumbent" as: 1 : the holder of an office or ecclesiastical benefice 2 : one tha
139 KC135TopBoom : Correct, but I was only referring to the most common uses of each word.
140 Post contains links DXing : You both need to go back and read more carefully. I put the rotfl smileys there for a reason. That aside, the way Falcon used the term was not correc
141 KC135TopBoom : Well, it looks like that is the end of this thread.
142 Scorpio : Yes it was. 100% correct usage, barring the spelling error. ... is a completely correct sentence, except for the extra 'u'.
143 DXing : Tell you what, no offense but I won't try and speak or translate French, Flemish, Dutch, or German if you don't try and tell me what is good gramatic
144 Mayor : Well, as a reservist, he does get paid, based on his monthly meetings and annual deployment. He may have duties, within his unit, just as if he was o
145 D L X : That's what I was thinking. Once it became clear that the guy could legally just back out and the Army would just say okay, there was absolutely no p
146 Mayor : I have to agree with you, here. An official (county or state) birth certificate most likely wouldn't have a SSAN on it, as it's usually applied for,
147 DXing : According to the story linked in reply 8 he is a different kind of reservist. He is a specialist of some sort that doesn't have to attend meetings an
148 Mayor : I'm not sure they're referring to his status when they mentioned the Individual Read Reserves but one of the other levels of reserves, other than IMAs
149 Scorpio : Tell you what: I teach English for a living. It's correct. Incumbency clearly refers to Clinton, not the GOP. And he DID have one. Could he have used
150 Vikkyvik : He did not say the GOP had an incumbency (although the individual members actually did). Merriam Webster defines incumbency as: 1 : something that is
151 D L X : WHY are we arguing over the use of the word incumbency?!
152 Yellowstone : Because for some people, the knowledge that Someone On The Internet Is Wrong evokes an irresistible urge to fix that. Plus they're making DXing look
153 DXing : We will have to agree to disagree. I wrote and edited for years and it is incorrect based on it usage in the sentence. If I were editing it for broad
154 Scorpio : How on earth is what the GOP is doing or not doing even remotely relevant to the usage of the word incumbency? Incumbency in that sentence doesn't re
155 DXing : I told you what I would do and how the sentence is structured so the usage is wrong. If you don't accept that, that is your decision and that's fine
156 D L X : Please do. That was about the dumbest argument I've ever seen on A.net. One of you is wrong, and one of you is right. I'm not going to say who, becau
157 EI787 : Yet another political thread which has turned nasty. If members cannot debate a topic maturely and without resorting to personal exchanges, these thre
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