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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1692 times:



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Very Interesting to find foreign troops joining the parade.

regds
MEL.


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User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5358 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Seeing German troops in Paris must have been a bit of an unpleasant memory to any Parisians who lived through 1940. I just relayed the story to my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.


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User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1663 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 1):
my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.

Give Sarkozy a break. American and British troops already took part to the parade in previous years, so your mother has no reason to be appalled. The relationship between France and Germany has moved on since WWII, now there's nothing shocking in seeing the German and French troops marching alongside.


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5358 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting AOMlover (Reply 2):
so your mother has no reason to be appalled

Considering she lived under Nazi occupation and had a particularly dear childhood friend of hers who was Jewish "disappear," I'm sure she'd respectfully disagree. Yes things have changed a lot since then but old traumas don't go away quite so easily.

[Edited 2009-07-15 11:10:45]


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User currently offlineAOMlover From France, joined Jul 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

Well then she should be at least reassured that the British and American troops did take part to the parade before the Germans did.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1600 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 1):
Seeing German troops in Paris must have been a bit of an unpleasant memory to any Parisians who lived through 1940. I just relayed the story to my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.

Actually, it was the joint franco-german brigade which participated in the parade; It consists of both french and german members.

If there is any indication of how far the relationship between the France and the Germany of 2009 has come since the horrible time of the german occupation, the franco-german brigade is a prime candidate.

Franco-German Brigade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

The Franco-German brigade is one of the testaments to the postwar friendship between France and Germany. Let's not forget, that just a few years after the war, France and Germany were the ones who helped created what became the European Coal and Steel Union, which was one of the founding blocks for what became the European Economic Community, and is now the European Union.

Let's also not forget that by 1963, France and Germany formalised their friendship, and the absolute end of years of distrust towards each other with the Élysée Treaty aka the Friendship Treaty between France and Germany, signed by Adenauer and de Gaulle. If it wasn't for the Élisée Treaty, the Franco-German Brigade would probably have never existed in the first place.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3733 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1559 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Considering she lived under Nazi occupation and had a particularly dear childhood friend of hers who was Jewish "disappear," I'm sure she'd respectfully disagree

I can only try to imagine the trauma she must have gone through, but she should be able to differentiate the words 'nazi' and 'German'.

As mentioned, France and Germany renewed their friendly ties very shortly after the war.

It is also good to see India being invited to the parade. Hopefully the friendly military, diplomatic and commercial relations between France and India continue to flourish.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1529 times:




Quoting Francoflier (Reply 7):
It is also good to see India being invited to the parade. Hopefully the friendly military, diplomatic and commercial relations between France and India continue to flourish.

It was a pleasant surprise to watch the Indian troops in the parade.
regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineMichlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1490 times:



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Considering she lived under Nazi occupation and had a particularly dear childhood friend of hers who was Jewish "disappear," I'm sure she'd respectfully disagree. Yes things have changed a lot since then but old traumas don't go away quite so easily.

Not all Germans were Nazis. My grandfather was Wafen SS on the Eastern front not a member of a political party.



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User currently offlineMichlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1486 times:



Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 8):
It was a pleasant surprise to watch the Indian troops in the parade.

I like the uniform of the leader of that group. That would make a great closeup!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1455 times:



Quoting Michlis (Reply 10):
I like the uniform of the leader of that group. That would make a great closeup!

Indian Defence forces have various non combat colours.
Excellent link here to the Defence forces site:- http://www.bharat-rakshak.com

regds
MEL.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13165 posts, RR: 78
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

As stated, a fine symbol of just how far these nations have come.

There is of course, lots of disagreements within Europe, but they start and end at diplomacy.

Don't see what fuss would be about, even from those who lived through WW2, those on that parade are so completely removed from that era, not just in generational ways, but in attitudes, ethos and much more besides.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1400 times:



Quoting Michlis (Reply 9):
My grandfather was Wafen SS on the Eastern front not a member of a political party.

Actually the Waffen-SS was the military arm of the Nazi party and directly subordinate to Hitler and Himmler. While originally recruitment was based on volunteers, who, besides being physically very fit, had to be 100% Nazis, after the Waffen-SS suffered great losses in Russia (mainly due to the use of tactics, which spoke more of their fanaticism than sound military thinking, like frontal assaults on machine gun positions), after 1942 they increasingly recruited non-Germans and after the failed military coup against Hitler in 1944 they received the permission to draft conscripts. Towards the end of the war every Hitler Youth was automatically drafted into the Waffen-SS, also several regular Army and Luftwaffe paratroop units were transfered to the Waffen-SS (obviously with asking the soldiers if they wanted to join the Waffen-SS).
The Waffen-SS was never completely seperate from the Totenkopf units, which provided the concentration camp guards. Wounded Waffen-SS combat soldiers were sent to concentration camp duty for recuperation, while the Waffen-SS Totenkopf division was completely made up out of former concentration camp guards. Waffen-SS units were also actively involved in war crimes, e.g. my maternal grandfather, a corporal in the Waffen-SS, was present during the crushing of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising of spring 1943 (from what I´ve heard in my family though he couldn´t live with what he had seen or done and committed "suicide by Red Army" a few months later during the Battle of Kursk.).
A good reading is "The Order under the Deathhead" by Heinz Hoehne.

Concerning the presence of German troops during the Bastille day parades, it started under Mitterand (who AFAIK was with the French resistance during WW2) with a German battalion of the mixed Franco-German brigade.

Jan


User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1385 times:

There not decked out in full blown Nazi parifanalia and I dont see this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27482083@N00/391100002/

Heading the pack so there is no harm done. Its not 1945 anymore there is no fear of Germany invading anywere any time soon let alone France. and if the PM or somebody didn't stop it then there is no big deal.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1350 times:
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Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 1):
Seeing German troops in Paris must have been a bit of an unpleasant memory to any Parisians who lived through 1940. I just relayed the story to my mother and she was appalled that Sarkozy would ask the Germans as opposed to Americans or British troops to take part.

The Franco-German brigade has marched in this parade for years. My grandmother was there when they first did this and commented that it was much better than they did it under a French colonel (who was in rotational command at hte time) than the last time she saw Germans marching down the Champs.

I thought the participation of Indian troops brought a certain flair. Very colorful troops. It's always an interesting night at the bars in Paris on the 14th of July when all the troops go out to drink. Lots of loud discussion and competition for the college girls on summer break. When it combines with the end of the Tour there's usually a mixture of bicyclists getting bought beer or dunked in the river. The PN are on overtime.



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User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

I think that it is really cool for foreign troops to be invited to march in national day parades.

Wouldn't it be great if those same Indian troops could be invited to march in Islamabad on Pakistan's national day?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1261 times:



Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 16):
Wouldn't it be great if those same Indian troops could be invited to march in Islamabad on Pakistan's national day?

Sure would.Just like the support shown during the Cricket matches.Very encouraging.

The Replublic Day parade on 26th January every year has a colourfull march by all regiments.
regds
MEL.



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