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Iceland Applies For EU Membership  
User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 16
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4039 times:

I for one welcome our Icelandic cousins into the Union, if at the end of accession discussions they choose to join. It is also a great testament to the vibrant life of the European project.

Iceland is a good, solid democratic nation with the deepest European roots and belongs in the Union as much as any nation can.

Already the country is part of the EC in an indirect way through the EEA treaty (EEE en Español) and also part of Schengen.

Certainly the volatile financial environment has perhaps pushed Icelanders to apply to join the Union at this time, but as I understand it this was no instantaneous decision, but has been brewing ever since the nation joined the EEA in 1994.

Either way, I am certain Iceland will prove to be an invaluable member state and will play an important part in shaping the EU together with other members. Peace and prosperity in Europe for times to come can be achieved with the participation of the old and proud nations of northern Europe in concord with us here in the south.

Iceland is a rich, prosperous nation, with a high degree of education and a rich history of peace and democracy. It has been a long time coming, but let me just say: Welcome!  Smile


http://www.abc.es/20090716/internaci...-pedira-adhesion-200907161616.html (article in Spanish)

http://mbl.is/media/79/1579.pdf (official application)

asturias


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26978 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4036 times:

It was expected due to their economic crisis. Its the only way for them to go IMHO.

User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4025 times:

Quoting Asturias (Thread starter):
Iceland is a rich, prosperous nation

Sorry, but this is unfortunately not so correct.

Quoting Asturias (Thread starter):
with a high degree of education and a rich history of peace

But that’s true.  

Quoting Asturias (Thread starter):
Welcome!

Thank you!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
It's the only way for them to go IMHO.

That’s correct. And also an opportunity for the highest people in the Social Democratic Alliance to get a seat in the EU.

[Edited 2009-07-17 09:21:41]

User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4000 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 2):
Sorry, but this is unfortunately not so correct.

I'm not sure how you measure your wealth and prosperity, but I understand that Iceland has good resources to draw upon, fine infrastructure, deep democratic traditions, high level of education and while in an economic slump like the rest of us, has every oppertunity to pull itself up on its own merits.

That's what I call rich and prosperous. Membership of the Union can bring upon an environment of increased stability and credit to Iceland, something which can't harm, I'm sure.

Looking to the future, Iceland will be able to participate with the rest of us in the EU to continue to ensure the bright future of the continent. As I said, I'm sure there are some immediate concerns that occupy the concern of Icelanders today - but the future is also important.

When Spain joined the EC in the 80s we were also looking to the future, but certainly to assure more immediate economic needs. It was a good move on our part, at least.

asturias



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3993 times:

Well, what resources?

Okay, electricity, and fish. I cannot think of anything else. Most things are imported.

The main reason for applying the membership was because Iceland is in deep sh*t because some people used our money for making more money and then left Iceland as it is and left themselves. So, this is more of a ”fixing us” thing than being in the EU. Not few people don’t want to be in the EU.

--

I don’t want to say bad things about Iceland or anything like that, but I don’t want people to think too highly of it because it doesn’t really deserve it. In some aspects at least, I don’t mean everything of course.  Smile


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26978 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3986 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 4):
So, this is more of a ”fixing us” thing than being in the EU. Not few people don’t want to be in the EU.

Indeed. A few years ago if someone asked me to predict Iceland coming into the EU then I would have said no. Its just become a survival issue really. I hope that being a member of the EU doesnt destroy Iceland in other ways though.


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
I hope that being a member of the EU doesnt destroy Iceland in other ways though.

That’s exactly the thing which I more than ’not hope’, I expect that to happen.

[Edited 2009-07-17 10:03:03]

User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

I'm really happy because Iceland is a very good country and I think it deserves to be part of the EU.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Iceland is certainly welcome, even though the circumstances are less than ideal and quite a few issues remain to be resolved. But these issues will be resolved eventually, and both Iceland and the EU as a whole will be better off for it.

Good luck!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26978 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3933 times:

How long will it take for Iceland to actually join?

User currently offlineBlackbird From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

If a country joins the E.U. can they legally and practically un-join the E.U. later should they so choose?

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7370 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

I hope that Iceland joining the EU will restart the EU debate in Norway, if Iceland joins it will leave only Norway and Liechtenstein in the EØS Pact. I don't think even Norway's oil wealth will do it any good going it along. So I hope Iceland joins and Norway makes the sensible and only realistic choice and open negotiations soon after.

User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3906 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
Indeed. A few years ago if someone asked me to predict Iceland coming into the EU then I would have said no. Its just become a survival issue really. I hope that being a member of the EU doesnt destroy Iceland in other ways though.

That is wonderfully vague.. either way the UE does not destroy countries - it being a cooperation of independent sovereign countries to boot. Have you been listening to the British press?

Quoting Blackbird (Reply 10):
If a country joins the E.U. can they legally and practically un-join the E.U. later should they so choose?

So says the Lisabo treaty, yes. Either way a country which was not inclined to be in the Union would be more damaging as a member than just to cut it lose.

This isn't the United States where secession is a four letter word. Heck the EU isn't a federation either! But you knew that.

asturias



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3901 times:



Quoting Asturias (Reply 12):
That is wonderfully vague.. either way the UE does not destroy countries

It’s not vague. And actually, the EU makes countries less independent. I hope Norway stays out of the EU and everybody knows Switzerland won’t do that either.


User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3889 times:

What would this mean for the infrastucture? Would they see more tourism, population, and air travel. Like Ryanair?

How is the currency doing now?



Anything the US and EU build the Russians do it better! i.e. TU-144 vs Concorde and TU-154 vs The 727...
User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3886 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 13):
It's not vague. And actually, the EU makes countries less independent. I hope Norway stays out of the EU and everybody knows Switzerland won't do that either.

I thought it was vague because it didn't elaborate any on the thought presented. That's why I said it was vague. Perhaps you didn't think it was vague.. but then you didn't say it was, I did. Nor did you write the part I quoted. OA260 did.

And «actually» the EU changes nothing with regards to the independence of a country. In fact a country must be independent and sovereign to even apply as a member state of the Union.

I hope Norway and Switzerland do what they think is right for them, but remember nobody forced Iceland to apply to the EU and it will be up to the Icelandic people in the end in a referendum.

asturias



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3886 times:



Quoting 7324ever (Reply 14):
How is the currency doing now?

Bravo
Alfa
Delta

One of the reasons for applying for the EU ”membership” - we get the €. Saving the asses of those who made our very good doing currency stall and fall to earth really fast.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26978 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3882 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 13):
It’s not vague. And actually, the EU makes countries less independent. I hope Norway stays out of the EU and everybody knows Switzerland won’t do that either.

You are indeed correct. Glad you thought the same.  checkmark   checkmark 


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3872 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
I hope that being a member of the EU doesnt destroy Iceland in other ways though.

I am all ears to hear how the EU can destroy Iceland. After it has been a part of the EEA since 1994. Schengen since its conception.

Do you even realize what that means? It means for all intents and purposes Iceland has been an EC member since 1994. A non-voting EC member.

The plan is to move from a non-voting EC member to a voting EC member, take on a few more common legislative areas and that's that.

.. however the question remains: what countries has the EU destroyed so far. If the answer is 0, as is reality, then how the heck can you reach the conclusion that Iceland is in any threat from the EU?

Have you been listening to Daniel Hannan or Nigel Farage? Peh.

asturias



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3872 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 13):
It’s not vague. And actually, the EU makes countries less independent.

Yes and no – pooling some responsibilities with the other members means not being the only one to have a say, but also means having a vastly wider scope of influence at the same time.

In many respects an isolated smaller country has practically no international influence and simply has to play along to the tune of the large powers. The European Union, on the other hand, is one of the biggest players particularly in economic matters.

Having some influence on the course of a major power and sharing its benefits will in most cases beat the option of not being heard at all on your own.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21461 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3854 times:



Quoting Asturias (Reply 18):
The plan is to move from a non-voting EC member to a voting EC member, take on a few more common legislative areas and that's that.

Actually, fishing rights for the other EU members will be a sticking point, as will be whaling which is illegal in the EU.

Quoting Asturias (Reply 18):
.. however the question remains: what countries has the EU destroyed so far. If the answer is 0, as is reality, then how the heck can you reach the conclusion that Iceland is in any threat from the EU?

Paranoia never needs any reasons.


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3845 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 17):
You are indeed correct. Glad you thought the same.  checkmark  checkmark     

Maybe it has to do with that, that there is only one letter differing from our countries’ names.

I eland


 Wink


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2153 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3826 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
Actually, fishing rights for the other EU members will be a sticking point, as will be whaling which is illegal in the EU.

The EU CFP is governed by the rule of «relative stability», so there won't be any automatic fishing rights for other EU nations. That's pretty clear and I don't think Icelanders need to concern themselves about that.

As for the whaling, well we still have our bullfighting. The EU isn't there to stifle local customs and ways of life.

As well you know. However this is all academic. Discussions between the EU and Iceland will take 2 years at least.

I was just congratulating Iceland on this decision.

asturias



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3822 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 6):
That's exactly the thing which I more than 'not hope', I expect that to happen.



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 13):
It's not vague. And actually, the EU makes countries less independent. I hope Norway stays out of the EU and everybody knows Switzerland won't do that either.

Wow, relax.. a lot of prejudice going on there... Why don't you give it a chance, before you start criticizing it so much?


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 22):
That's pretty clear and I don't think Icelanders need to concern themselves about that.

We concern ourselves about that fish is extremely expensive in Iceland. We don’t really gain anything by the fish, so it wouldn’t change much if people could fish freely there.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 23):
Wow, relax.. a lot of prejudice going on there... Why don't you give it a chance, before you start criticizing it so much?

Well what I say won’t change anything about chances. Of course I’ll wait and see, but I still want Iceland to stay out of the EU.

[Edited 2009-07-17 14:02:32]

25 AirPacific747 : I know it won't but maybe it will at least change your personal opinion about the EU. I don't really know what to think of the EU as I've never exper
26 Aero145 : Hej again Well it won’t until I notice something. I still have doubts… So what are your opinions about the EU, then? The only thing I feel about D
27 AirPacific747 : Well can it get much worse up there than the way it is now? Well I am not too much into EU politics, but sometimes it seems they have too much power,
28 Aero145 : Well, can be better but still worse - in a different way. Well there’s the thing - working together. IMHO, this working together-thing can be a bit
29 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Pleae enlighten me  Why won't you be able to pay the favour back later on? I guess 'Janteloven' hasn't reached Iceland yet.. if it hasn't, you are l
30 Post contains links Aero145 : I kinda have nothing to say, AP747, those are just thoughts I have, which have no explanations. Like Klaus said, paranoia needs no reasons, the things
31 AirPacific747 : Just follow your old leader, dear colonial Yes it is.. not so often a good thing, but it kind of reflects the way most danes think.
32 Aero145 : If you say so... Somehow not what I’ve felt from Danish people I’ve met...
33 AirPacific747 : Well it might not be the case in Copenhagen but it is felt in smaller towns.. but I guess it is like that in small towns all over the world.
34 Asturias : You don't gain anything by the fish? I thought that was the main export of Iceland. I'm pretty sure it is actually. Regardless, becasue of the rule o
35 Aero145 : The Danish people I’ve met were outside København. One of them was actually from Kh. but the others from Fyn, as far as I remember.
36 OA260 : Yes I wondered that myself. Whale Hunting is a bit more of an International issue than Bull fighting lol.. Could be lol.. I still have yet to visit I
37 Aero145 : I could actually care less about what it does, as we seem to be having a hard time with all the fish around! When a country’s main export is someth
38 Asturias : You mean it is internationally more unpopular? I have a hard time believing that there is so much fish around Iceland that it is actually giving you
39 Aero145 : Talking about the big ”fish” in the sea, most people in Iceland have nothing against the whale hunting. There is also a thing called ”English i
40 OA260 : Indeed then you will know you are in the EU lol...Although Im a fan in general of the Euro but prices shot up when we got it introduced here.
41 Aero145 : Which means, find a flight and go now!
42 PPVRA : I think you will find that the Swiss are pretty proud of their "obscurity" and history of non-interventionism, unlike the massive suffering pretty mu
43 Asturias : Nor is it my first language. As you might have guessed, it is not very popular in Spain. Perhaps I misunderstand you, I certainly don't want to be di
44 Janmnastami : I think Iceland deserves to be member of the EU more than some actual Eastern Europe members.
45 Elite : Despite the economic crisis I think Iceland can contribute more - maybe in the long term - than some of the Eastern European countries.
46 MillwallSean : At the moment there isn't a clear way of doing this. Greenland however left roughly 20 years ago. As a previous poster said, the Lisbon treaty will p
47 Asturias : While I can't see into the future, all Nordic countries are EU members except two - Norway and Iceland. Of the Scandinavian countries 2 out of 3 are
48 KiwiRob : Why, staying outside the EU when all your major trading partners are in is odd plus Norway has to follow most of the EU rules and regulations but has
49 Klaus : I wasn't talking about obscurity, I was talking about things like trade disputes and such. In effect, Switzerland already has to abide by EU regulati
50 Babybus : There might have been a bit more dignity in their joining if they weren't now desparate for EU handouts. I've got mixed feelings about it.
51 SAS A340 : I would say that that apply to Norway more than other country's in Scandinavia,unless it says "made in US" The hard part is to have the ordinary peop
52 KiwiRob : That's the problem in Norway the 'Nei till EU' organisation are very strong and love to spread disinformation, they are backed by the farming lobby,
53 OA260 : True they seemed to rush the last lot in and didn't really consider the consequences.
54 ME AVN FAN : - and it of course is a member of EFTA (European Free Trade Association) ! and which, if really losing Iceland, will then only consist of Norway, Swi
55 Klaus : Sure. But when push comes to shove, the EU is not easily bullied by anyone while smaller countries on their own have no defense against things like t
56 ME AVN FAN : - NATO does not apply to the neutral non-NATO countries Finland, Sweden, Austria and Ireland, and so, civilian organisations are important. But for i
57 Post contains links Us330 : Yep. Did you happen to read the Vanity Fair article by Michael Lewis? What are your thoughts? http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2009/04/ice
58 Aero145 : A nice read. My thoughts are this is a very good article and shows Iceland in its correct ”light”. This is exactly how it was and is. And the rud
59 Klaus : " target=_blank>http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...00904 Interesting. Clearly from a subjective point of view, but interesting nonetheless.
60 Eaa3 : Fish is sold at the world market price in Iceland. If fish were cheaper in Iceland it would be a subsidy in that the cheap fish being sold could be s
61 Aero145 : Uh, what? Transportation and storing fish frozen to keep it fresh-ish doesn’t cost anything, or?
62 Klaus : The main problem is probably that the fish is valuated in convertible currencies since it can be sold abroad. Given the sorry state of the icelandic
63 Asturias : Obviously not part of the continent since it is an island, but it's a part of Europe. I've never met an Icelander who hasn't identified Iceland as Eu
64 ME AVN FAN : - This is the reason why Switzerland is not yet "ripe" for the Euro. Whenever the exchange-rate of the CHF only can be kept stable by monetary interv
65 Aero145 : You understood me correctly. Often I have a hard time getting my right ”meaning” out, sorry ’bout that.
66 Klaus : Don't worry, I just hadn't been reading your post too thoroughly. Domestic prices in ISK probably contain an allowance for currency fluctuations as w
67 Aero145 : There you go, one shouldn’t have to read everything extra-throughly to understand it. So, yeh I am going to worry and try to word stuff better next
68 Eaa3 : I doubt that the cost of shipping is all that high. I just googled the price of fish and for example on the Grimsby fish market Icelandic cod is sell
69 Aero145 : Regardless of how high it is, it must cost something, no? And why should we pay the same for new fish as someone abroad for transported frozen fish?
70 Eaa3 : The point is that it is such a small part of the price that it doesn´t really make any difference. Iceland might not pay the same price but any pric
71 Aero145 : Well what kind of a fishing nation eats extremely little fish? We at least eat very little fish, and the price has a whole lot to do with it. I disag
72 Post contains links Eaa3 : What are you talking about? Icelanders eat a lot of fish. Much more than most nations. A simple google search would for example lead to this website:
73 Aero145 : I’m sorry, I forgot you knew much more about my country than I did. I find Icelanders not eat as much seafood as before, maybe it’s considered mu
74 Klaus : Maybe fish went a bit out of fashion during the past years of the finance bubble when imported goods became easier to come by and more desirable? Tha
75 Eaa3 : Yes I seem to know much more about Iceland than you do. A big part of that might be that I am also an Icelander! The fact that Icelanders consumption
76 Aero145 : In our house and many of my friends’ at least! I do hope so! When Eaa3 shows me a chart where Iceland has the highest rate of fish consumption of m
77 Aero145 : Well good to know. My opinion is still that Icelanders eat little fish (at least nowadays!), if it’s more or less than other countries I don’t kn
78 ME AVN FAN : - no no no, it just is as in Switzerland, where Mövenpick Icecream is more expensive than in Waldshut and Konstanz just across the border. And when
79 Aero145 : Well, makes sense. Nobody flame me, but I have yet to find an Icelandic chocolate producer whose chocolate taste I like. Chocolate from Ritter Sport
80 ME AVN FAN : - THIS, Lindt Sprüngli, was the one. Just a kilometer from home
81 Aero145 : Say WHAT? Yes I mean L Sprüngli, whatever Sprüngli means. Has it something to do with the verb springen?
82 Andaman : Very true. Finland also was in bad economical shape in the early 1990's, before joining EU in 1995 with Sweden and Austria. Indeed there was lots of
83 ME AVN FAN : - It simply is a name. While the Lindt family no longer is in the company, the Sprüngli family still is active in that group of companies, which als
84 KiwiRob : Same as with Norway, I really can't understand any of the arguments for not joining, I think it's just fear or change, Norwegians aren't very adaptab
85 SAS A340 : Agree,i think it's just a matter of time when Sweden will join,last poll was 53% in favor to the Euro The discussions in media right now is to, if an
86 ME AVN FAN : - I don't know exactly about Norway, but here in Switzerland, "EU opposers" talk about independence, foreign rulers, strange European bureaucracy, lo
87 SAS A340 : I don't identify my self in all of the above even if some probably are correct,but everything has a backside,including to stay outside of EU,that's l
88 KiwiRob : Norway already has: Strange bureaucracy High taxes Loads of rules and restrictions Norway follows all the EU rules and regulations as it is, joining
89 Eaa3 : In Iceland the arguments are basically the same. Perhaps not higher taxes though, that has not come up. North of Iceland there are large oil reserves
90 SAS A340 : This is obviously wrong,they will probably become a net member in the future but they will not be robed,Sweden has one of the largest concentrate of
91 Aero145 : Sounds nice, maybe I’ll drop by soon! Anything in Basel? But, wait. Why should Iceland, in its horrible state, be let into the EU, when it has noth
92 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - the problem is that most of these "arguments" are to some percents correct in a way Switzerland has a strange bureaucracy and loads of rules and re
93 Eaa3 : This is a perfect example of the unfounded fears in Iceland.
94 Aero145 : Snilld. Why don’t you give your opinion on this instead?
95 Kingsford : To ME AVN FAN: "...no no no, it just is as in Switzerland, where Mövenpick Icecream is more expensive than in Waldshut and Konstanz just across the b
96 Eaa3 : I did. I said these fears were unfounded.
97 OA260 : Wish I could flex like that lol..
98 Post contains links Asturias : Countries are not allowed accession to the Union based on their ability to «offer» something. Nor is Iceland in a horrible state. Any geographicall
99 Aero145 : Well, the nation has to accept it first, then what I said belongs ”in last week”.
100 OA260 : Talking to various people including a family member of mine who works at the EU , they were very keen to get Iceland signed up now while they ''are o
101 Post contains links and images Asturias : According to polls I have seen from my Icelandic friends, more than half of the Icelandic population has been interested to apply for EU membership s
102 Aero145 :
103 Asturias : Many are your talents Aero, but witty comebacks aren't among them. If you found my statement vague, then you could just have asked me to explain and I
104 OA260 : LOL... very witty You are indeed 100% correct and being a native Im sure you are more in tune with whats happening in your own country than people th
105 Asturias : If anything he underlined your own obtuseness as to clarify your repeated and vague propaganda-like statements. Actually my statement wasn't vague at
106 AirPacific747 : Or did you write that he was witty just because Asturias said he wasn't?
107 ME AVN FAN : - I never could have done so either. I never jumped into the water. But crossed that lake sometimes by swimming
108 OA260 : Not at all but judging by the most recent posts insinuating ''propaganda'' I tend to ignore such ravings. What is your personal opinion on Iceland jo
109 AirPacific747 : I don't know about Iceland, but I've stated my opinion about the EU earlier in this thread already.
110 Post contains images Aircatalonia : No, we don't want them in the EU, they smell like fish. just kiddin' Welcome to the party   Now you just need Ryanair flying to your country and you
111 OA260 : LOL.. flying into FAE aka KEF South.
112 AirCatalonia : Hey, it's only what? A 100-day swim away? Anyone can do it.
113 Aero145 : That is something that would so not surprise me.
114 Post contains links OA260 : Yeah trying to keep your return boarding pass dry do avoid the EUR40 re print fee A weird thing that always puzzled me was the October charter flight
115 AirCatalonia : IIRC Icelandair has similar packages (although more expensive). Then there's also Iceland Express with fairly competitve fares, but they have only be
116 Aero145 : Call me whatever, but I find it better to travel with IEX. Somehow more comfy, and calm. The Hello pilots were also very good.
117 Prebennorholm : Two months ago, when I last time finished Iceland, I saw three local gentlemen jumping into the Reykjavik Bay. They were out of the water again withi
118 Prebennorholm : Too bad, dear Aero. You should visit Lauga-As on 1, Laugarvegur. They serve the most delicious fish dishes in the world. The place is always full yea
119 Janmnastami : The EU isn't just a club of economy; joining the EU means accepting its values and historical roots. I think that many countries, recently, have becom
120 KiwiRob : I'm completely against Turkey entering the EU, there has to be a point where the EU stops expanding, Turkey is that point, besides they have nothing
121 OA260 : Of course he did, its always been the American way. When Greece kicked out the Americans they set up their Air Bases in Turkey instead and did ''deal
122 Aero145 : Well one always learns something new every day, doesn’t one? This sounds interesting, I’ll try to remember this next time I am in a fish mood. Th
123 KiwiRob : If you allow in Turkey then you'd also have to consider countries like Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Belarus, Ukraine, all countries with nothing to
124 Davehammer : I'd welcome Iceland if they want to join. They abide by loads of the rules already so they might as well have a sat in what goes on! Empty vessels mak
125 Kingsford : Turkey entering would mean the balance of power would have a major shift within EU. Indeed, historically Turkey has always been an ally of Germany and
126 OA260 : Very well said and I totally agree. This ''your either with us or against us'' BS wears a little thin IMHO. The BNP and UKIP do not represent the maj
127 ME AVN FAN : - Ryanair flies to Basel, from LON-STN, and so has "integrated" Switzerland then ! - I found it amazing and positive that the Greek at Davos last win
128 Babybus : Turkey might find it culturally more acceptable and convenient to join a Middle East organisation. Iceland techtonically spans two continents so mayb
129 Aero145 : Not only does it span two continents, but its closest neighbour is also wholly part of North America. Greenland. Hooking up with the North American c
130 ME AVN FAN : - But will not be accepted, as it is not Arab, and the Arab League is Arab. And Turkey from an Arab perspective is not Middle Eastern at all but abso
131 Klaus : And with whom would you actually "hook up" on the american side? The EU is the only group where Iceland can hope to actually have a vote about anythi
132 Aero145 : I said I thought it was not going to happen. Need I discuss that any further?
133 Klaus : No, don't hurt yourself!
134 Asturias : In all fairness, that's downplaying things more than they deserve. While every member country has some movement against the EU, nowhere is it as over
135 Aero145 : Aua aua aua! That mischievous emoticon of yours hurt me!!!
136 Davehammer : Fair enough, the movement does have a large following and larger than in most cases than other countries but parties that are pro integration outnumb
137 Post contains images Klaus : And I had told it to behave!
138 Aero145 : Well tell the winking sun to tell it to behave, then it will probably work out.
139 DocLightning : I think the EU is a truly amazing institution. It is a growing hegemony in which all members join voluntarily because it seems to have so many advanta
140 Aero145 : Depends how you look at it.
141 Eaa3 : Great comment! It's interesting how people dismiss Europe and pretend that it is irrelevant now that China and India are booming. People also pretend
142 ME AVN FAN : - Well, Finland, Sweden, Austria and Ireland are neutral countries and not to become members of NATO. So that whenever the big EU countries are NATO
143 OA260 : Exactly but certain people are either blind or ignorant to see the difference yet continue with useless ravings,
144 Asturias : Certainly parties like the UKIP benefited by some amount of protest votes, but that does not explain their existence nor their consistent following.
145 OA260 : Well that is debatable and has been questioned in recent years.
146 ME AVN FAN : debatable and "questioned" maybe, but reality in all these countries. The other way round, I heard from Czechs and Poles that quite many people there
147 L410Turbolet : Really? Not sure what sort of (leftist lunatics?) Czechs you talk to, but the polls show that generally the NATO membership is perceived as more impo
148 ME AVN FAN : Well, I also heard this. That NATO membership is taken as being of supreme importance in East European countries in fact is easy to understand in the
149 Baroque : Dear Saffie Best fix those nasty strikes we see each day before you join. Some in the EU might be really keen on your cod. But my first two experienc
150 AverageUser : Except in the small print of the Lisbon Treaty there's a procedure in place to force a common European defence (a.k.a NATO) nevertheless. Ireland wil
151 Asturias : As I understand it, it wasn't a huge majority of the Finnish parliament that approved the EU applications back in the day. Didn't the Finns have a re
152 KiwiRob : I wish the average Norwegian would get those points.
153 OA260 : I expect it to pass this time with a slim majority. Last time it was not properly explained and lacked the guarantees that Ireland has secured. The a
154 ME AVN FAN : - The E.U. is meant to be A) an economic union, and B) a lose political union of independent countries -- in the understanding of quite many of its m
155 AverageUser : The basics dear Asturias, do not forget the basics. On the internal market issues, dear you. In EEA you will keep your own money, your own defence, y
156 ME AVN FAN : British Prime Ministers, from Mrs Thatcher over John Major and Tony Blair to Gordon Brown, have repeatedly described the E.U. as political union of i
157 Asturias : Thank you for that information, much appreciated to hear how things happened from a Finn. You say the referendum was non-binding - do you know why th
158 ME AVN FAN : - I do not believe that an EEA country could so easily get out in practice, just as Switzerland can hardly quit the Bilaterals. I think that in case
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