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Ahhh The Hypocrisy In California  
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090719/ap_on_hi_te/us_car_cameras


Ok, let me get this straight one of the reasons the left hated GWB and wanted him gone is he wiretapped random people in an effort to try to catch some terrorist activity. Now in SF we want to run everyone's license plate to look for criminal activity. HMMMMM in fact the woman who runs the town was quoted.

"As long as you don't arrive in a stolen vehicle or go on a crime spree while you're here, your anonymity will be preserved," said Town Manager Peggy Curran. "We don't care who you are and we don't know who you are."

Which is basically what I said in the threads here that attacked the GOP for allowing Bush to listen in on phone calls.

Got to love the DNC, they are just so damn consistent.

As for this story coming out of SF, I am ALL FOR IT. Remember what the police alway say, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. When they do things that you deem an intrusion. Just shouldn't change when you are trying to get someone elected.

[Edited 2009-07-20 05:38:03]

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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1734 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
Ok, let me get this straight one of the reasons the left hated GWB and wanted him gone is he wiretapped random people in an effort to try to catch some terrorist activity. Now in SF we want to run everyone's license plate to look for criminal activity. HMMMMM in fact the woman who runs the town was quoted.

It's not San Francisco, it's Tiburon, a dinky little city of 9000 in Marin County. And not all Californians are Democrats, or civil libertarians. Not only that, but your article describes quite a bit of local opposition to the plan.

This story has nothing to do with hypocrisy, the Democrats, or GWB.



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User currently offlineAustinAirport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

What?
You don't like Your Freedom of Speech?
This is America, why the heck should some retard in Washington (George) get to listen to our calls.. and who's to say that's all he can do?
What's to say he can't read our internet traffic, email's, text's, picture messages, see the contents on your iPod!

Look, I'm not some conspiracy theorist, I'm just a concerned citizen.
I just don't believe in Big Government. I don't believe that this wiretapping is protecting me at all. And it isn't.

As for the Gov't running your plates, stand up for what's right.



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User currently offlineN867DA From United States of America, joined May 2008, 985 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

A license plate is clearly visible to every member of the public. I don't give a damn if you walk up to my driveway and drool over my license plate (just wipe it when you're done). It's nice and shiny, and you can read it from 100 feet away! The only people who experiment with methods to keep a license plate private are those who use coatings/special covers to avoid red light cameras.

When I call some people, I go into an empty corner of the house for a reason. I don't want anyone hearing what I have to say. I am obviously trying to maintain some privacy because I am transmitting personal information about my life and plans to others, and they will probably be doing the same thing as well. If I catch you standing outside the door listening in, you'd better have a good reason for being a nosy jackass.

There is a difference. I realize that there may be no expectation of privacy, but a license plate and a phone call cannot be properly compared. However, that does not excuse what neither the Feds nor this town is doing. I hope the opposition prevails in this town!

Sorry.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1705 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
It's not San Francisco, it's Tiburon, a dinky little city of 9000 in Marin County

Isn't Marin county Liberal? I would Imagine this dinky llittle city is the same.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
Not only that, but your article describes quite a bit of local opposition to the plan.

From whom? Residents or politicians?

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
This story has nothing to do with hypocrisy, the Democrats, or GWB

Yea the election is over so I guess we can abandon the invastion of privacy rhetoric now.

Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 2):
I just don't believe in Big Government. I don't believe that this wiretapping is protecting me at all. And it isn't.

Well actually it is protecting you to a certain extent as is running of plates.

Down the road somewhere you will catch a bad guy. It's law of averages.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1611 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):

Got to love the DNC, they are just so damn consistent.

It's not San Francisco. It's Tiburon, which happens to be a relatively conservative town full of very wealthy people.

Don't worry, NIKV. We won't let it happen.


User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2243 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

You know what, Nick - right here on your native Long Island, both county police departments (as well as a number of local departments) have automatic license plate readers on a number of patrol cars. They are the small, soda-can shaped objects, usually on the rear portion of the roof or trunk lid. They can scan for stolen vehicles, or things like expired registration/insurance. Remember - driving a car isn't a right, it's a prividge.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Quoting Moose135 (Reply 6):
You know what, Nick - right here on your native Long Island, both county police departments (as well as a number of local departments) have automatic license plate readers on a number of patrol cars. They are the small, soda-can shaped objects, usually on the rear portion of the roof or trunk lid. They can scan for stolen vehicles, or things like expired registration/insurance. Remember - driving a car isn't a right, it's a prividge.

My dear John I know this and agree with it. If you took the time to actually read what I wrote instead of rushing to type you would have read the fact that I am for this. In fact just look for the capital letters up top in my original post. Here I will make it easier for you. This happens when you troll and don't read.

Quoting NIKV69 (Thread starter):
As for this story coming out of SF, I am ALL FOR IT. Remember what the police alway say, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about. When they do things that you deem an intrusion. Just shouldn't change when you are trying to get someone elected.

The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town. I am all for toll booths that run regis for traffic infractions, cops that run plates for the same purpose, hell I don't care if you listen to my phone calls but see I am consistent. I hold to my beliefs. I don't abandon them at election time as means to an end. Then turn around and say hey we want to invade your privacy just in case your a criminal wanting to enter my town.

[Edited 2009-07-20 10:03:16]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1561 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):

The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town. I am all for toll booths that run regis for traffic infractions, cops that run plates for the same purpose, hell I don't care if you listen to my phone calls but see I am consistent. I hold to my beliefs. I don't abandon them at election time as means to an end. Then turn around and say hey we want to invade your privacy just in case your a criminal wanting to enter my town.

I think most of us who were against illegal wiretapping were against it because a phone conversation is assumed to be private by the participants. My license plate is public.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1555 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
My license plate is public.

True but is the all the info garnered from it public as well?


User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5251 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

This is the key item:

Quoting N867DA (Reply 3):
A license plate is clearly visible to every member of the public.

If it's in the public space then I am all for utilizing technologies. In fact I can't wait for automatic license readers to be installed on on police cars and just automatically check the cars around them.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town.

They were screening ALL calls for key words and banking them for analysis and follow up. It wasn't just random. If it was is suspect that they could have gone to a FISA court and gotten permission to randomly screen calls, just like police are allowed to set up "drunk driver" check points and screen drivers.

Tugg



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User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1539 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
The point I made is I find it funny how liberals screamed that wiretapping randomly to try to pick up some terrorist chatter is an invasion of privacy but yet here is a liberal town who wants to run everyone's info that enters their town. I am all for toll booths that run regis for traffic infractions, cops that run plates for the same purpose, hell I don't care if you listen to my phone calls but see I am consistent. I hold to my beliefs. I don't abandon them at election time as means to an end. Then turn around and say hey we want to invade your privacy just in case your a criminal wanting to enter my town.

I don't think it said anything about running every plate. It said that if a crime was committed the plates would be run to check for criminal activity. They aren't preventing anyone from entering the town.


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1539 times:

So they're gonna spend all that money, which they probably don't have, (we all know California is broke) in order to protect rich people stuff when they probably don't care anyway? Well neither do I, as long as the city raises the taxes on the rich and not mine order to pay for it, it's fine.


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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21094 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1539 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
If you took the time to actually read what I wrote instead of rushing to type you would have read the fact that I am for this. In fact just look for the capital letters up top in my original post. Here I will make it easier for you. This happens when you troll and don't read.

Ironic you should say that, since you seem to have said the following:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
yet here is a liberal town

without reading a prior post that refuted that. Let me make it easier for you:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
It's not San Francisco. It's Tiburon, which happens to be a relatively conservative town full of very wealthy people. {emphasis mine}

So don't try and pin this on liberals.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
is the all the info garnered from it public as well?

The police already have all the information a license plate could provide. On the other hand, the police do not have records of the content of my phone conversations, and they can't get that content without a warrant from a judge. If they don't have that warrant, I don't want them listening in.

Still, while I don't think that this is in the same league as warrantless wiretapping, I do think it's a stupid idea.

-Mir



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9399 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1538 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
True but is the all the info garnered from it public as well?

Unless I'm mistaken, police can already run your plates.

What, exactly, are they gaining here that they don't already have access to?

Not to mention, in the article, it says:

"and the data will not be public record — no trying to find out if a spouse has been wandering."

So, no, it's not public.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1521 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 10):
They were screening ALL calls for key words and banking them for analysis and follow up. It wasn't just random. If it was is suspect that they could have gone to a FISA court and gotten permission to randomly screen calls, just like police are allowed to set up "drunk driver" check points and screen drivers.

Either way I agree with it.

Quoting Max550 (Reply 11):
I don't think it said anything about running every plate

It sure did, read the article again.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
So don't try and pin this on liberals.

Ok I get it so just because a user here says it it's true? Well I don't rely on hearsay. I use facts and here is a list of Tiburon residents' political contributions and wouldn't you know it I see a ton of Democratic National Committee and Barbara Boxer popping up!

http://www.city-data.com/elec2/08/elec-TIBURON-CA-08.html

Your argument has no merit.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 14):
Unless I'm mistaken, police can already run your plates.

Yea if they pull you over. Here they want to do it to every car.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21094 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1509 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
here is a list of Tiburon residents' political contributions and wouldn't you know it I see a ton of Democratic National Committee and Barbara Boxer popping up!

I stand corrected.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
Yea if they pull you over. Here they want to do it to every car.

They don't have to pull you over to do it. What this is is basically the same thing as having the thousands of police officers it would take to follow every car into the town, run their plate, and then decide whether to pull them over or not. Not the same as warrantless wiretapping. Still stupid, though.

-Mir



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9399 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1485 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
Ok I get it so just because a user here says it it's true? Well I don't rely on hearsay. I use facts

To be fair, that's the first time in the thread you backed up your assumption that Tiburon was a Democratic-leaning town.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):
Yea if they pull you over. Here they want to do it to every car.

So? It's still not data they didn't have access to before.

And what about the rest of my post:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 14):
Not to mention, in the article, it says:

"and the data will not be public record — no trying to find out if a spouse has been wandering."

So, no, it's not public.




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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1458 times:



Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):
To be fair, that's the first time in the thread you backed up your assumption that Tiburon was a Democratic-leaning town.

Well to not waste time I usually don't try to dig up info on something that is brutally obvious but I keep forgetting that many here use tactics such as swearing something is one way when then know it's the other when their argument has fallen apart.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 17):
And what about the rest of my post:

What does that have to do with anything? Did Bush want to make any info from wiretapping public? No he just wanted to prevent another terrorist attack.


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9399 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1453 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Well to not waste time I usually don't try to dig up info on something that is brutally obvious but I keep forgetting that many here use tactics such as swearing something is one way when then know it's the other when their argument has fallen apart.

Perhaps it was obvious to you. Wasn't to me. Probably wasn't to anyone who isn't intimately familiar with Tiburon, CA.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
What does that have to do with anything? Did Bush want to make any info from wiretapping public? No he just wanted to prevent another terrorist attack.

It has to do with the question you asked:

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 9):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
My license plate is public.

True but is the all the info garnered from it public as well?




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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21094 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1451 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Did Bush want to make any info from wiretapping public? No he just wanted to prevent another terrorist attack.

It's a matter of whether the information was in the hands of the authorities in the first place or not. License plate-related information is - giving it is part of the vehicle registration process. The content of phone conversations is not.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1447 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 15):

It sure did, read the article again.

Where? It says the plates will only be run if there is a crime to solve. If there's no crime to solve it just stores the plate numbers for 30-60 days.

This is nothing like warrant less wiretapping because police don't need a warrant to access the information about your license plate, they can pull it up anytime for any reason.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1430 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Well to not waste time I usually don't try to dig up info on something that is brutally obvious but I keep forgetting that many here use tactics such as swearing something is one way when then know it's the other when their argument has fallen apart.

Not to getting into a pissing match with you, but you were intentionally deceptive in your post.

You wanted it to sound like this was San Fransisco and a plank of the DNC.

The article was datelined Tiburon and it states that at least 5 additional times.

It is also not a "waste of time" to source your work even if the author thinks it is "Brutally Obvious".

One thing you have yet to provide: The party affiliations of the Tiburon Town council. I have looked and can not find it. Once you have done than your thesis will hold water. Without that, it is really nothing more than an empty attack on Liberals and makes you look very bitter.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1408 times:



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
The party affiliations of the Tiburon Town council

Oh I am sure they are GOP  sarcastic 

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
Without that, it is really nothing more than an empty attack on Liberals and makes you look very bitter.

Hardly, the bitter ones are the those who cried "no wiretapping" "invasion of privacy" in one breath in Nov 08' and now in 09' are doing the exact same thing. It's laughable and it's par for the course for the left who will do anything to grab power.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
You wanted it to sound like this was San Fransisco and a plank of the DNC.

Well judging by those donations it sure seems the population is the same.

Quoting Max550 (Reply 21):
Where? It says the plates will only be run if there is a crime to solve. If there's no crime to solve it just stores the plate numbers for 30-60 days.

What does it matter the plates are recorded and the info is there.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1402 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Oh I am sure they are GOP

You never know! Many liberal counties have pockets of strong conservative areas.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Well judging by those donations it sure seems the population is the same

On the list you provided there were also plenty of GOP donations.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
It's laughable and it's par for the course for the left who will do anything to grab power.

Grab power from whom? There has been no power grab, we had an election and the convervatives were tossed out.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 23):
Hardly, the bitter ones are the those who cried "no wiretapping" "invasion of privacy"

It has been pointed out many times that wiretapping and your auto plates are two very different itmes.


25 Mir : You've yet to provide a decent argument as to why this is the same thing as wiretapping. Because the GOP would never do anything at all to seize powe
26 Max550 : You told me the article says they do run the plates and I should re-read it. I re-read it, couldn't find where it said the plates would be run and I
27 StuckInCA : This must be about the stupidest thread of all time. Apparently logic is not the OP's strongsuit. I mean, the thought is that anything that happens in
28 NIKV69 : You kidding? The ratio of DNC and Boxer donations comapred to GOP was very lopsided come on. Of course they are the same. Listening in or doing a bac
29 Dtwclipper : No, I'm not kidding. There were plenty of GOP donations on the list you provided. I'm not sure what your point is? Uh, ok. My private conversations a
30 GuitrThree : Well, let's try this. We are talking California and the 9th-"Circus" Court so please, keep in mind, this could possibly happen. Say a wife who suspec
31 Dtwclipper : Read the posted link: "For instance, they said the system will not be used for traffic enforcement, and the data will not be public record — no try
32 Vikkyvik : That's not spin. That is a completely valid (and quite apparent) difference. One more time: You cannot tap someone's phone. It's illegal. You can loo
33 GuitrThree : Really. And in the USA private property can't be taken and given to another private citizen. Yea, that one worked out well too. We are talking about
34 Superfly : NIKV69 says; "Now in SF we want to run everyone's license plate....... ......As for this story coming out of SF Yes the article is about Tiburon whic
35 LAXintl : This ALPR technology is not new. It has been around for a decade, just finally getting wide use. The local Police where I live use it, installed in bo
36 AirframeAS : You'll see this A LOT in Arizona, especially the PHX metro areas. The cops would tell you it is illegal to have but in reality, it really isn't. Ther
37 Max550 : Why would it be in federal court? How is that related to phone tapping in any way? Does a license plate have a right to privacy while driving on a pu
38 L410Turbolet : Yeah, that's what the cop playing the "good guy" always says... I don't think this is no longer a matter of right/left dispute as the government at a
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