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My First Car Accident - Terrible  
User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 720 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Hi all,

So I was driving my car on Thursday (actually I was on my way to buy a new computer so I can use the FSX I bought about two years ago).

Anyways, I got to a traffic light and I stopped (it was red). Once I got the green light I started accelerating when this young woman, who was riding her bicycle did not see that she had a red light, failed to stop and got in front of my car. To make things worse, there was construction on the road, and all the equipment and materials blocked the view to my left, where she was coming from.

Altough I stepped on the breaks I hit her. Not too badly as I was only doing about 25 kms/hr when I saw her. I still hit her and she landed on my car and then onto the sidewalk.

I just called her. She broke her leg (not the leg I hit, the other one I think when landing).

Guys, I really feel terrible. I never so much as scratched my car in the 10 years or so I have been driving on a continuous basis. I am careful, never drink and drive (always take a cab), always let a safe distance between my car and the one in front, etc. etc.

But still. The accident keeps playing in my head and I feel terrible. The police was really nice to me and all throughout the whole thing... I need to get over it... but I am having a hard time...


Sigh
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User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Grüezi Ogre,

I think you don't have to worry. Things like that happens and I'm glad you and that woman are great (even she had some minor wounds) .
At least you have to understand something - it was not your fault. That's more important.

Take care.  Smile



DO FLIGHTS. NOT FIGHTS.
User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7176 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

Accidents happen, fortunately the women does not have any serious injuries and everything will be fine. I assume you have insurance which can pay for damage. 10 years with not one accident that is pretty good. And it was not your fault either nothing you could do about it. I had two accidents in less than a year. Both were not my fault, one a guy made a illegal left turn right in front of my car while I was going through an intersection. Other I was stopped in traffic and a guy rear ended me which was not fun either but no injuries that was the most important thing, neither were my fault so no penalty and the cars came back good as new.

Dont worry about it everyone has an accident sometime.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3095 times:



Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 2):
I assume you have insurance which can pay for damage.

Isn’t it more like her insurance that has to pay? It wasn’t Ogre’s fault, so why should his insurance have to pay even one centime?


User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

Despite the leg injury, no one is seriously hurt. No one was killed.

On the scale of things - not a terrible accident.

One thing you might consider changing in your driving habits is intersections and red lights.

A company my father worked for instituted a policy long ago that required company drivers to wait when the lights changed to not be the first vehicle through the light. Now I know that is not always possible.

But in my personal experience in Dallas where we have a lot of red lights with three lanes of traffic in each direction it has paid off. In the 23 years I've lived here, four times while I wait to start across a light, occasionally with horns honking behind me - a driver beside me who pulled out into the intersection has been t-boned by someone trying to beat the yellow/red light.

I approach every intersection, especially starting from red lights - as if some idiot is going to run the light and try to kill me.


User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3071 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 4):
Despite the leg injury, no one is seriously hurt. No one was killed.

On the scale of things - not a terrible accident.

One thing you might consider changing in your driving habits is intersections and red lights.

A company my father worked for instituted a policy long ago that required company drivers to wait when the lights changed to not be the first vehicle through the light. Now I know that is not always possible.

But in my personal experience in Dallas where we have a lot of red lights with three lanes of traffic in each direction it has paid off. In the 23 years I've lived here, four times while I wait to start across a light, occasionally with horns honking behind me - a driver beside me who pulled out into the intersection has been t-boned by someone trying to beat the yellow/red light.

I approach every intersection, especially starting from red lights - as if some idiot is going to run the light and try to kill me

Or just delay the departure...which I think you said you do  Smile
Today I was driving back from the Airport...and a roadwork light...5 cars obviously went through the red light as mine was on green and the road section was only 50 feet...so that was stupid...


User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Thanks for your messages. Yes, I do have insurance, so that part should be Ok.

Regarding some of the ideas, Zurich is rather small, so you are always kind of bound to be the first car through the light  Smile

Delaying the start sounds like a good idea.



Sigh
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3030 times:



Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 6):
Yes, I do have insurance, so that part should be Ok.

Again I ask: Why does it matter if you have insurance or not, when the accident was not your fault?


User currently offlineOgre727 From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2975 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 7):
Again I ask: Why does it matter if you have insurance or not, when the accident was not your fault?

Because under swiss law even if I am not guilty I might still have to pay a fine. Crazy. But true.



Sigh
User currently offlineFatmirJusufi From Albania, joined Jan 2009, 2441 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2970 times:



Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 8):
Because under swiss law even if I am not guilty I might still have to pay a fine. Crazy. But true.

Yeah, Swiss Rules! Big grin



DO FLIGHTS. NOT FIGHTS.
User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2952 times:



Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 8):
Because under swiss law even if I am not guilty I might still have to pay a fine. Crazy. But true.

 rotfl  Okay how the hell can that be?
I’m waiting on a red light at an intersection, and somebody rear-ends me. Both cars are a complete mess, and the somebody that crashed into me has to go to the hospital. Should I have to pay a fine for being on the road? Not enough to pay taxes?

Quoting FatmirJusufi (Reply 9):
Yeah, Swiss Rules! 

Ow?


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7176 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2924 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 3):
Isn’t it more like her insurance that has to pay? It wasn’t Ogre’s fault, so why should his insurance have to pay even one centime?



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 10):
I’m waiting on a red light at an intersection, and somebody rear-ends me. Both cars are a complete mess, and the somebody that crashed into me has to go to the hospital. Should I have to pay a fine for being on the road? Not enough to pay taxes?

The two accidents I was involved in both of the other drivers were at fault, both received moving violations for what they did so no problem for paying for damage right? Wrong. If I actually want my car to be fixed in less than 5 months I had to report it to my insurance company. They pay for the damage I pay the deductible and than they take the other drivers insurance companies to court so they get their money back and I get my money back. How ever the first accident driver had a suspended license and no insurance so we are just stuck with the Bill. Things like that happen often in Miami many uninsured drivers out there. The other accident I had went to traffic court and now I guess just waiting for the process to get my money back. This guy thankfully was licensed and had insurance.

But if someone hits you and even if it was not your fault at all and you go to the hospital etc.. If they don't have insurance than your stuck with the bill. At least that's the way it works in the US. Than of course in the US the Law Suit capital of the world you not only have to cover your car and medical expensive if god forbid you caused an accident but also personal liability because so many people out there go after more than medical and repair bills. So it just adds to the cost of insurance.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineTimlin88 From Switzerland, joined May 2009, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

Sorry to hear about your accident, must be really traumatic. The worst I've done is run over a pigeon on my bike, and that had me in shudders. Must be pretty hard if it's a person. Confident you'll get through it though  Smile

Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 8):
Because under Swiss law even if I am not guilty I might still have to pay a fine. Crazy. But true.

I think they basically consider that in an accident between a car and a bike, the car is pretty much automatically at fault. Stupid. Some cyclists (me included probably) do terribly irresponsible things and expect people to deal with it. Arg.

Matti


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2792 times:



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 4):
But in my personal experience in Dallas where we have a lot of red lights with three lanes of traffic in each direction it has paid off. In the 23 years

Great advice - I used to do the exact same thing when I lived in Phoenix - because there were far too many red light runners and lots of t-bone accidents in intersections. Here in California, we have ALOT of red-light cameras that keeps the number of red-light runners down - well, somewhat.  Silly



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User currently offlineA346Dude From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2630 times:

I know you must feel bad, and I'm sure most of us would feel exactly the same way. I think in the end you have to remember, whether by accident or not, she ran the red light. Would you expect other people to avoid hitting you if you sailed through a red? Through carelessness, or perhaps just a moment of inattention, she put herself at risk. In the ideal case you would have been able to avoid her but that isn't always possible.


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User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

I've had a lot of problems here with cyclists lately - "20-something's" weaving in and out of places at a fairly high speed (maybe 20-30 km/hr) and seemingly expecting motorists to treat them with the same caution as motorists should with children.

I just about clipped a guy last week. He was riding down a sidewalk at 20 km/hr. I didn't see him on the sidewalk, I turned right at an intersection, in front of him, and just missed him. I don't know if I would have been at fault. I was shocked first, then extremely p.o.'d.

I'd like to see the cops writing a few traffic tickets for cyclists. I have a bike myself, but I ride it with the traffic rules in mind.


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2609 times:



Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 15):
I just about clipped a guy last week. He was riding down a sidewalk at 20 km/hr. I didn't see him on the sidewalk, I turned right at an intersection, in front of him, and just missed him. I don't know if I would have been at fault. I was shocked first, then extremely p.o.'d.

Why wouldn’t you be at fault? If he’s allowed riding on the sidewalk, and he would have crashed into you, you would be at fault.

I once was biking around 30 km/hr and crashed into a car driving out of a car park. The driver was at fault, as he didn’t wait - just drove straight onto the road without checking for pedestrians or cyclists.


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8675 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

I have had one accident that was my fault and one that was not. Both times I was scared just like you but I in order to conquer this, I got behind the wheel looking carefully for hazards. Good luck and remember, this happens to the best of us. Driving 10yrs w/o being in an accident is pretty good in my book.

KH



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User currently offlineRonglimeng From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2447 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 16):
Why wouldn't you be at fault? If he's allowed riding on the sidewalk, and

Well, as far as I know, riding bikes on the sidewalk is not permitted. It is dangerous for pedestrians.

I had another incident with a bike tonight on the way home from work involving a merge after an intersection. It is too complicated for me to explain but the young lady on the bike was full of indignation at my inability to give way to her.

I ride a bike myself. I've done two long bike trips through the Netherlands and Belgium. Biking is a great way to get around. But the cyclists in my city seem to be either self-righteous yuppies brimming with bourgeois entitlement or else tattooed pot-heads crazily riding around bare from the waist up (males anyway).


User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2419 times:

Well good to know. In some places, it is allowed biking on the sidewalk, but as this was not the case, the biker was at fault of course.

What amuses me while biking, is that when I have the right of way, and someone kind of clips me, and I show that I dislike it (no, I do not give the bird, if you were expecting that), he gets pissed at me. Stupid drivers!

Talking about

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 18):
self-righteous yuppies brimming with bourgeois entitlement or else tattooed pot-heads crazily riding around bare from the waist up

I have come across a few of those while I’ve been biking. I am very aware of my rights and others’ rights in traffic, and I feel bad being a biker when I see how those aforementioned bikers bike!


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2381 times:



Quoting Ogre727 (Thread starter):
young woman, who was riding her bicycle did not see that she had a red light, failed to stop and got in front of my car.

Her fault for not obeying road rules. Maybe she should have broken both her legs..one less cyclist on the road  devil 

Quoting Ronglimeng (Reply 15):
I've had a lot of problems here with cyclists lately

I hate cyclists. They are a bane to society. They behave as though the road rules don't apply to them. Just now I saw three riding abreast occupying a whole lane on a road where the speed limit is 80km/h. Dammit stay in your damn cycle lane! Idiots. One of these days I will probably lose it and run over one of those spandex-hugging a@$#@. 'Share the road' my a$$.



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2346 times:



Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 20):
I hate cyclists. They are a bane to society.

Well nice to hear!

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 20):
They behave as though the road rules don't apply to them. Just now I saw three riding abreast occupying a whole lane on a road where the speed limit is 80km/h. Dammit stay in your damn cycle lane! Idiots. One of these days I will probably lose it and run over one of those spandex-hugging a@$#@. 'Share the road' my a$$.

And what about the ones that are extra careful on the road and are often more aware of what’s behind them than many drivers that only need to look in mirrors?  sarcastic 

What you described are people that make the life for the good cyclists more miserable than bad drivers. It’s as all of us are the same, ya?  grumpy 

And talking about ”spandex-hugging asses”: I also, when driving, sometimes want to drive over them while they’re taking an awful lot of space on a (70)-road (where there’s a sign ”no cyclists on the road”). So not only drivers feel like you do…


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Ronglimeng, you should see New York.
IN New York, esp. in Manhattan it is so crowded with pedestrians, that bike pedestrian accidents are common. Bikers routinely treat pedestrians with the same attitude that SUVs treat bikers. Crossing at the green anywhere near Central Park in nice weather is a dangerous game, because bikers *will* run red lights and *will not* stop for peds. A colleague from work was rammed by a red light running biker who cursed at her "spat on her" and rode away. She broke her wrist and was out for two weeks.

I think I am going to start Critical Pedestrian Mass so that two-wheeled SUVs (bikers) will know to treat peds with the same respect as cars should treat bikes.

PS I am all for bike lanes and cars respecting bikers, that means cars shouldn't door bikes. bikes have just as much right as cars to navigate streets. But with that right comes responsibilities. Bikes are vehicles. Thus they have to obey traffic signs, they don't get to run red lights and whack or scatter peds, they shouldn't go to the right of a car in the right hand lane who might be turning (great way to get clipped)



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User currently offlineAero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2153 times:



Quoting Csavel (Reply 22):
bikes have just as much right as cars to navigate streets

But they need far more attention and respect because they are the most dangerous form of road travel. They need quite a long time for stopping, fall easily, and are not very noticeable.

Quoting Csavel (Reply 22):
they shouldn't go to the right of a car in the right hand lane who might be turning

Why not? Where I am, the cars in the right lane HAVE to stop for cyclists in a bike lane. It’s the law. And not surprising either. It’s far easier for a driver to wait for a cyclist to go by than a cyclist trying to cross from his lane over three other lanes to a turn lane for going left.


User currently offlineCsavel From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1363 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting Aero145 (Reply 23):
Quoting Csavel (Reply 22):
they shouldn't go to the right of a car in the right hand lane who might be turning

Why not? Where I am, the cars in the right lane HAVE to stop for cyclists in a bike lane. It’s the law. And not surprising either. It’s far easier for a driver to wait for a cyclist to go by than a cyclist trying to cross from his lane over three other lanes to a turn lane for going left.

I meant when there is no bike lane. That is the rightmost lane is a lane where cars and bikes share. If a bike lane, then a car isn't really in the rightmost lane.



I may be ugly. I may be an American. But don't call me an ugly American.
25 Aero145 : Oh I see. When I’m biking where there is no freakin’ lane , the people who want to turn have to wait for the cyclists to pass. How would it otherw
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27 Ogre727 : Well, I went to visit her yesterday to the hospital and she WAS very good looking. Although not only am I married, but also as it turns out I would b
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