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Buying A First Car (not For Me!)  
User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

Hi all,

About three years ago I promised my grandson a brand new car for his 16th birthday, and this birthday is fast approaching! I told him that I would have it on his birthday (Aug. 21) but I have a few questions. My first choice for him would be a new 2010 Camaro or the new 2010 Ford Mustang, the Mustang GT would be better than the Camaro, because an SS would be at the total top of my budget. Also, when I was picking out cars when my three girls were 16 I bought each a new Camaro (mind you this was in the late-70's) but the Camaros have a special place in my heart.

-Are the Camaro and Mustangs good choices? Or are there better cars for under $32k?

-He is a major car enthusiast, should I be thinking of maybe a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution or something of that nature?

-Is it too late to reserve a Camaro for the 21st?

-Am I an idiot for asking this on an aviation website?  Smile

Atlanta


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User currently offlineLH4116 From Sweden, joined Aug 2007, 1709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5530 times:

I would say he's a lucky kid! Big grin

But go for the mustang, it's much nicer than a camaro! (IMO)



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User currently offlineMax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

If you want it by August 21st the Mustang would probably be easier to find, I think the Camaro has a waiting list that's pretty long.
I've always been a Ford guy so I'm biased towards the Mustang, but both of them are nice cars. From what I've read the Camaro V6 is a great car, it's over 300hp and isn't a whole lot slower than the Mustang GT.

Are you sure you want to get such a high performance car for a 16 year old though? I had a 4-cyl Subaru ('91 Legacy, nothing cool like a WRX or anything) and managed to lose my license within 33 days of getting it, so I don't know if a V8 is the best choice for a 16 year old. If you really want to get one for him though I'd check with the insurance company and find out the rates for the different options. Insuring a Mustang GT or Camaro SS for a new driver is probably very expensive.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15470 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5509 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Thread starter):
Or are there better cars for under $32k?

Get him a used Porsche 911. You can find 993s and 996s for under $30k.



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User currently offlineEmirates773er From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

A BMW 335i coupe, get a used oen with low milage on it. Bileve me he wil love it! The car can me modified to his taste interms of looks, power, exhausts and what not. I highly recomend it for its handling a shear beauty, do have a look!  Smile

http://www.thehotcars.com/wp-content/ham%20%20BMW%20335i%20Coupe%20modificat%20de%20HAMANN.jpg



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User currently offlineZuluAviator994 From Australia, joined Mar 2008, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

If you're looking for under $32K,
Try and take a look at the Hyundai Genesis Coupe
Before I get flamed, just look:

www.hyundaigenesis.com/coupe

regards

[Edited 2009-07-24 13:18:17]


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8625 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5448 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Thread starter):

I have to ask who is paying for the insurance, and fuel? Some cars worth checking out:

Dodge Challenger: starts at 22,945
Volkawagen GTI; starts at 24K
Dodge SRT 4: starts out at 35K
Volkwagen Jetta TDI- starts out 22,400

If I had to choose between the two, I wolud choose the mustang. If you do choose the mustang, try to find a good used Roush edition. It will be high on the insurance though.

Hunter



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32177 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Are you paying the insurance? Because parents are not going to be very happy once they see the insane insurance rates for a Camaro SS or Mustang GT.

I would suggest a V6 Camaro, which is just as powerful as a Mustang V8, and much cheaper to insure. Unless insurance costs do not matter.



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User currently offlineAtlanta From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 473 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5365 times:



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 6):
I have to ask who is paying for the insurance, and fuel? Some cars worth checking out:



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Are you paying the insurance? Because parents are not going to be very happy once they see the insane insurance rates for a Camaro SS or Mustang GT.

I will be registering and insuring the vehicle.

Quoting ZuluAviator994 (Reply 5):
Hyundai Genesis Coupe

Never thought of Hyundai, it doesn't look like a bad car.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Get him a used Porsche 911. You can find 993s and 996s for under $30k.

Since I will be paying for maintaining and insuring this car, I was looking less exotic just because I worry about huge repair bills.

[quote=Max550,reply=2]Are you sure you want to get such a high performance car for a 16 year old though?

I feel he has earned it, he is a good kid. Big grin

Today, I also payed a visit to some local dealerships and I found:

-2010 Ford Mustang GT (well equiped) MSRP=$30,124 Dealer price=$28,944 (best price)

-2010 Chevy Camaro SS (one in stock, well equiped) MSRP=$34,562 Dealer price=$37,062 (Incl. Dealer Camaro surcharge)  Wow! That just totally shocked me, and I never expected a $2500 surcharge!


Atlanta



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User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5336 times:

You all are talking about handing a Lancer Evo or a Mustang GT to a 16 year old? Hope you all enjoy giving advice that will statistically end up in his death.


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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5329 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 9):
You all are talking about handing a Lancer Evo or a Mustang GT to a 16 year old? Hope you all enjoy giving advice that will statistically end up in his death.

I was handed a sweet, undeserved, new, and leased Land Rover Discovery (value: in the low $40k range) for my 18th birthday. My parents said it's yours if you take a job in college and pay the residual when you're 21. Did I? Not even close, I was probably at -$9 when the lease was up. The Disco went to the dealership faster than the speed of sound when the lease was up. I appreciate that lesson now at age 26. I washed that stupid thing by hand every other weekend, when I should've been trying to pay it off by any means possible.

Would I recommend giving a kid a fast car? No. My friends wrapped their 3-series BMWs and Eclipses around trees and lamp standards. I had friends who died because their parents let them have high performance car. Would I recommend doing what my parents did? Looking back, absolutely. It's a life lesson. Give your grandson an awesome safe SUV, but ask them to earn it in the long run.



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5322 times:

A 16yo getting a muscle car. Am I the only one who thinks there is something wrong with that picture?


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User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

Get him a used Geo Metro/Honda Civic or something similar, make sure it's a manual. That way he can learn to drive PROPERLY - you really have to push those cars to go fast so he'll be less likely to wrap it around a tree, also you'll be doing him a favour by giving him a more economical car.
Plus, to keep it running he'll have to do some maintenance on it himself so he'll learn something, and if he wants a more 'cool car', he'll get a job and damn well earn some money to pay for it himself.

If you just buy a 16 year old kid a sportscar and give it to him, he might say 'thanks', but won't appreciate its true worth because he hasn't earned it. He'll treat it like crap, thrash it in front of his friends to impress them and probably crash it, possibly injuring himself and others or worse.

If you really want to give him a gift he can use, take that 40k you're about to buy the car with and put it in a savings account or bonds or stocks for his first house or for college, or maybe even buy him some flying lessons?? Nothing teaches responsibility like learning to fly...

16 year old kid + horsepower = insurance claim + hospital bills



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User currently offline7324ever From Serbia, joined May 2009, 563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5292 times:

I'm kinda not seeing a big question here no one has asked yet?!

Is he responsible?

I could assume he is if your willing to get him the car. I got my younger brother an 07 Honda civic and was the stupidest mistake I made. Totaled a 22k car 3 months after getting it and he was 20 at the time so being 16 doesn't necessarily mean he isn't responsible.

Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 13):
make sure it's a manual. That way he can learn to drive PROPERLY

Im with you 100%, if you do get a muscle car it is well just a huge waste to get an automatic just buy him a golf cart if it is one.

Personal preference get the mustang, more power and its sexy! I lost all respect for GM after the 2 hour car commercial transformers...



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User currently offlinePocho From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

How about a new Civic? It's fuel efficient, low maintenance, safe and has good resale value. It would be a great first car.

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5261 times:



Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 6):
Volkawagen GTI; starts at 24K

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark  You could get a great deal on new MKVs sitting on the lot now that the MKVI is out.

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 10):
Give your grandson an awesome safe SUV,

 Yeah sure  banghead  Big does not equal safe. For safety I would get anything but a large, heavy, clumsy, crappy handling and eager-to-roll-over SUV.

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 11):
Am I the only one who thinks there is something wrong with that picture?

I wouldn't give the kid anything more zippy than a GTI, I don't care how responsible he is. I know I sure as heck I wouldn't have trusted myself even with a GTI back when I was 16, even if racing runs in the family. I'm now 25 and much more aggressive than your average Joe on the road but at the same time much more responsible.The GTI is plenty powerful and will easily out-handle those muscle cars in the turns. Heck the V6 'stang is much slower than the GTI (both in paper and real life) and the (non-GT500) V8 barely keeps up with it. Not to mention its more fuel efficient and infinitely better built.

And quite frankly, give him a car that's built nice and that won't feel like a clunker as soon as you drive it off the lot. I avoid American and Asian cars for that very reason.

Atlanta, just think VERY hard on this one. Too many times I've heard of kids and relatively close acquaintances in the exact same position of your grandson getting waaaaay too much car for their age/skill level and they always end up either badly injured (quadraplegics, month long comas, every bone shattered, etc) or worse, dead. I know you could care less about getting lectured by a 25 year old like myself but take it from someone who's been there and seen that happen, MANY times.


User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5260 times:



Quoting Pocho (Reply 16):
How about a new Civic? It's fuel efficient, low maintenance, safe and has good resale value. It would be a great first car.

Because that is what every 16 year old car enthusiast wants to see in his driveway: a Civic.

Not that I completely disagree, but it may be tough to backtrack at this point.

My buddy got a Camaro as his first cat, and he drove it responsibly. Still, he regrets it, both for the price of keeping it running and the limited practicality. Plus the insurance was painful early on, and a 17 year old in a Camaro attracts cops like bees to honey.

Something that is still stylish and powerful while being a bit larger and more practical than a Mustang or Camaro would be worth considering. Personally, I think there are many nice large coupes or sports sedans that would fit the bill, with strong V6s or even V8s if the extra power is a must. I'm not an expert, so I don't really want to start naming specific models, but there are plenty of options in between a Mustang and a Civic that would be worth considering.

I understand what you want to do, my only advice would be to balance what makes him happy now with what his needs might be 5 years down the road.



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User currently offlineAjd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5240 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 9):
You all are talking about handing a Lancer Evo or a Mustang GT to a 16 year old? Hope you all enjoy giving advice that will statistically end up in his death.

That also begs the question: What happened to giving a kid a small, economical car?

I know how Americans do their cars, and to be honest if you give him a car with that much power that's RWD and the fact he's barely old enough to see over the wheel, you should throw in a coffin and headstone as well. I've been in a Mustang (a 2007 one, but even so) and they're shit hot.

Maybe he doesn't want to see a Civic on the drive, but you'll be safe knowing it's a lot harder to kill himself (and somebody else) with it.


User currently offlineAirtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1557 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5221 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Thread starter):
-Am I an idiot for asking this on an aviation website?

No... But after reading a few answers I'm finally glad to see I'm not the only one thinking it would be absolutely stupid and irresponsible to do this. Do whatever you want but please do us a favour : don't come back with a thread telling how to deal with the troubles of your grandson.



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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5212 times:



Quoting Airtrainer (Reply 20):

I'd have to agree there. A 3 series BMW as suggested earlier would be a good choice, much less chance of him getting into trouble as well. And then there's the insurance aspect, hate to think what a 16YO would be charged for driving an evo - A mate of mine had an early WRX, and he was paying 1500 a year at 32 years old with a good insurance history. The state govenment here has banned probatinary licence holders (typlically between the ages 18-21 here) from driving high-powered cars (basically anything with a V8 or turbo, with the exception of turbodiesels & Smarts) for some time now.

http://www.arrivealive.vic.gov.au/in...restrictions_that_apply_if_yo.html



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3697 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 10):
Would I recommend giving a kid a fast car? No. My friends wrapped their 3-series BMWs and Eclipses around trees and lamp standards. I had friends who died because their parents let them have high performance car.

But that is your friends. You can twist statistics any which way you like but it all depends on the driver in question.

I had a very average, small economical car as my first to get me to grips with the handlings of a vehicle then moved up....However, I went through the British public school system and when we turned 17 some of my friends went insane, or their parents did! One guy learned on a Ferrari 355 (was funny seeing the 'L' plates on that) because he was wealthy enough that learning to drive a Chevy Aveo equivalent was largely a waste of time. In his first year he rotated between a Mercedes CL500, Mercedes S500, a BMW M5, the aforementioned Ferrari, and a couple of other cars which I can't remember, all new with the exception of the 355 which he and his brother 19yr old brother had for a couple of years. Also when his new Porsche 996 arrived he didn't have anywhere to keep it at his house in west London (his parents lived abroad) and the school only allowed each pupil to keep one car on premises. He gave it to a friend and paid for all the insurance and petrol for him for a few months, the only proviso being that if he wanted to drive the Porsche he could borrow it.

None of us died, nobody got in an accident and we all had a good time...apart from when a couple of idiots down at the local pub decided to key up the M5 out of spite or jealousy.  

It can work if you have the rights kids with the right values and responsibilities...

Personally if I was the OP, I'd consider something second hand with some cache (if he is car enthusiast he's not going to be thrilled with a Hyundai!) but not too much HP. Give him 6 months to get to grips with that car and sell it with minimal loss and buy the Mustang, Camaro, Golf GTI...whatever.

Oh, and if you do get something with a decent slug of horsepower send him to one of those week long performance driving school places.

[Edited 2009-07-25 07:18:13]


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User currently offlineGolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

How about a fuel efficient car that also helps the environment? I agree he wouldn't be too popular driving around in a Prius but have you considered the Mini Cooper?

It is a very fuel efficient car, has good safety ratings, not a performance car that can be abused by teen high on adrenalin and also is hip for the youngsters. And no I don't work for BMW nor sell them, just love the mini.

http://www.miniusa.com/

I wish I had a Granddad who would gift me a mini  Smile


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5129 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 9):
You all are talking about handing a Lancer Evo or a Mustang GT to a 16 year old? Hope you all enjoy giving advice that will statistically end up in his death.

 checkmark  checkmark  checkmark  checkmark 

Giving a 16 year old a Mustang or Camaro is just about the stupidest thing a parent or grandparent can do. but hey, its your money  sarcastic 



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User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2637 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5122 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 8):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Are you paying the insurance? Because parents are not going to be very happy once they see the insane insurance rates for a Camaro SS or Mustang GT.



Quoting Atlanta (Reply 8):
I will be registering and insuring the vehicle.

Which of course leads to a very important question. Are you buying, registering and insuring the vehicle in YOUR name in order to keep the insurance company from finding out that the defacto "owner" and "driver" is a 16-year-old kid? That's insurance fraud and when/if the kid wraps the car around a tree, he'll be dead and you'll be in a world of trouble.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 9):
You all are talking about handing a Lancer Evo or a Mustang GT to a 16 year old? Hope you all enjoy giving advice that will statistically end up in his death.



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 22):
Giving a 16 year old a Mustang or Camaro is just about the stupidest thing a parent or grandparent can do. but hey, its your money

Some very good advice from these two posts.

So.................. here's my two cents worth.

First.... BUY the kid the absolute BEST DRIVER's EDUCATION program you can find. Not only the one that will teach him to pass the exam, but the course that will teach him accident avoidance, skid control, and what to do when things go horribly wrong on a dark wet road at night.

Second.... Buy him a responsible car. Something nice, but fuel efficient, 100-125 HP max, and with a 5-spd tranny. Something fun, dress it up with some look nice options, but not so vast a HP rating as to get him into trouble. OH, and reclining seats.... for the girlfriends. bigthumbsup 

Show him you love him by keeping him safe. When he's 21 (or more) and graduates university, that's the time for a better car, and a nice reward for 4 years of hard work.

IMHO.


User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5599 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5094 times:



Quoting Atlanta (Thread starter):
maybe a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution



Quoting Atlanta (Thread starter):
Am I an idiot for asking this on an aviation website? Smile

Based on what you've wrote, you certainly seem like someone who is seriously lacking critical judgment if you are really considering "arming" a 16-year old with no or very little driving experience with a car like the Lancer EVO.

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
because he was wealthy enough that learning to drive a Chevy Aveo equivalent was largely a waste of time

The thing is that you no money will buy you basic driving skills, instincts and reflexes regardless what your bank statement says.
Why do you thik they don't send pilots straight to supersonic fighter jets or let them fly 300 people accross the ocean but annoy the crap out of them by having them fly cessnas first???

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 20):
None of us died, nobody got in an accident and we all had a good time...

And that is a proof of what?  Yeah sure


25 Whappeh : btw, OP: I don't know if you know this or not, but the Lancer Evolution X has similar OR BETTER performance numbers than a Ferrari F360. If he wants a
26 Aero145 : Well I guess so. Here people are quite often sensible.
27 Jpax : Adding to the criticism, I have two friends who had a STi and a Evo. To avoid writing a novel I will say this-- both received so many tickets one got
28 Whappeh : Most of these cars exceed the maturity level of anyone driving them. I grew up with performance cars in my family and extend family. I was behind the
29 Atlanta : Ok everyone, I had written a post explaining my change of heart but it has gotten deleted. I have visited two VW dealers today and decided a Rabbit is
30 Golfradio : No Mini? Oh well ...
31 Whappeh : That is good to hear. I'm always happy to hear when people are buying exotic, powerful sports and performance cars, but there is a time and place. VWs
32 Atlanta : Haha screw him! Im trading my RS4 in before he even sits in a Ferrari!!!!!! I had a little bit of sticker shock for a car f that size, but they do lo
33 Cadet57 : An excellent car. I have a jetta currently, but test drove a Rabbit and it is a nimble, solid little car. The 2.5L has just enough punch when needed.
34 Atlanta : $15k?? The one I looked at had a sticker of $23,587!!! And I thought that was a pretty good price! Atlanta
35 Post contains links Cadet57 : Are you sure thats not a GTi? The base price for the Rabbit is $16,300 for the 2 door and $19,300 for the 4 door http://www.vw.com/rabbit/en/us/
36 Atlanta : Yes, it was a loaded 4 door, It had the sport effects kit, power sun roof, the 18' wheels, ipod adapter, and the floor mats. Im sure it was pretty da
37 Cadet57 : The 18'' wheels alone are around 1300, the body kits are another 1200. Ask yourself. Is 2500 really worth it? And on that note, the VW ipod kit sucks
38 Atlanta : Thats true, but it was the only one in red! Should I order one to my specs instead? And does everyone think the Rabbit wont only hop to VW repair sho
39 Cadet57 : Yes. VW, at least the dealer I went to, im sure others are as well. Are very helpful with custom built cars. And many times, if they dont have it, th
40 FlyMIA : Great car dont go for the rabbit it is underpowered and IMO is a "girls" car. I know if I knew that a Camero was in the discussion I would be very di
41 BMI727 : I have to agree. Give the kid a break and get him a GTi. Rabbits are just too popular with ditzy dental hygienists who keep a Yorkshire terrier in th
42 MAH4546 : The brand-new Golf and GTI arrive in a few months. Buying a new GTI/Rabbit right now is just buying a very obsolete piece of technology.
43 CXB77L : That while statistically, a lot of young people with powerful cars end up hurting themselves and/or others on the road, there are also young drivers
44 Fbgdavidson : That not all 16yr olds with anything more than 150bhp to their name will end up in a box or a prison cell faster than you can say 'speeding ticket'.
45 TUNisia : Here's a thought... Why not use the 30K you were going to throw out the window (i.e. US car depreciation) and set the kid up with a nice investment ac
46 Atlanta : I just got a call back from the Dodge dealer and they say they can give me a great deal on a Charger R/T or a Avenger R/T, they don't seem underpowere
47 Atlanta : I cant edit my above post, but it may be an SXT but I don't really remember which (the salesman talked very fast! . Atlanta
48 FlyMIA : Great Idea, $30,000 can easily become $200,000 in 15 years. NO, no Dodge can compare with a VW. VW is the most popular car in the world for a reason.
49 ZuluAviator994 : What about the 2.0 Turbo Genesis? It isn't nearly as powerful as the 3.8, and its a somewhat heavy car, has a .06 power/weight ratio.
50 Post contains links and images FLY2HMO : The Rabbit is an excellent car, but the GTI is even better. I disagree. The Beetle or Eos are a girls car if anything. And it's got more punch than m
51 ZuluAviator994 : However, IMO, it's a lot better than the VWs. Looks nicer...
52 MCOflyer : Stick with the VW. Dodge does not offer the first 3yrs/36000 maintenance plan for free. Also, there is a GLI which is a souped up Jetta. They have on
53 Post contains links and images Aero145 : Nono, you mean the more expensive but better 4x4 260 HP S3.      [Edited 2009-07-26 13:42:39]
54 FlyMIA : Well the Charger, Camero, Mustang V8s will be much faster than a GTI 0-60. But many of these cars have low limitors to 120mph. Though you should not
55 Aero145 : Yep. BUT, both the GTI and the S3 will be similarly dangerous as the muscle cars, because they can also go pretty damn fast. S3 is limited to 155 for
56 Cadet57 : Why do you insist on putting your grandson in such a powerful car? The charger is way too much car for a typical 16 year old. And the avenger is just
57 Springbok747 : Amazing car. Is the diesel version going to be available in the US? I drove the new Golf TDI the other day..it has plenty of power and very very econ
58 BMI727 : Which we don't get in the US. This whole part of the conversation is pretty silly. You don't need a fast car to get into trouble, and a slow car does
59 Aero145 : Well good, a bit fewer Americans dying each year then.
60 Atlanta : I don't, I was just sharing info that I got. I think it was a V6 anyways. If the A3/S3 is anything like my RS4 im sold. Atlanta
61 JetsGo : Why do you absolutely insist on GIVING him such a powerful and expensive vehicle? Do you have ANY idea what that is teaching him? Not only does it fai
62 Cadet57 : The charger R/T has a 5.7L V8. That is ALOT of car for a 16 year old. Personally, id stick with the VW.
63 Atlanta : Please Read Below. It actually was an SXT, I made a mistake. Me thinks you should be a little bit more respectful to people and think before you type
64 Aero145 : Take it easy sir, an RS4 is far more of a car than the 3’s are! It’s bigger, longer, and has got a very mighty V8. The most powerful A3 (S3 isn
65 Springbok747 : Go for the new VW Golf. I had started a similar thread a while ago about which car my sister should get (she was looking at a hybrid )..she eventually
66 Atlanta : I meant by build quality!!!!!!!! Atlanta
67 Aero145 : Whoa, eight exclamation marks?! A dot would have been enough. Audi is and Audi! The build quality of the A3’s is in MY opinion very lovely, and tha
68 Post contains links FLY2HMO : You got to be kidding me. If there's anything built worse than an American car its a Korean car. And yes I've driven plenty and yes they were all cra
69 Atlanta : I know, I get carried away. Atlanta
70 ZuluAviator994 : Each to his own. That's really what I'd be looking for in a first car. Then Safety. Then Horsepower.
71 FlyMIA : RS4! Now that is an FANTASTIC CAR! That is a real drivers car, I will take a RS4 over an M3 or E-63 any day. Great choice! Not true at all. I was giv
72 Fly2hmo : And no gearhead would regard a Hyundai as well built. Indeed
73 Ken777 : I may be 65 now, but I can well remember what it is like to turn 16 and get your license. Fortunately my parents limited me to the family car, which a
74 Aero145 : Well I thought so too, but they just stopped manufacturing them with the VR6 for the European market, so I guessed it were the same for the US. Never
75 Atlanta : Good to see some other senior members here! I often feel like the oldest one Im thinking you were lucky! I got a 1937 Ford in 1948 as my first. Amen.
76 Ken777 : Did you notice that you can tell you're getting old when the first thing you look at in a car is how easy it is to get in and out?
77 KiwiRob : Buy him a car like the ones you're sugesting for his 16th and start planning his funeral the next day. A 16 year old kid shouldn't be driving anything
78 KiwiRob : You were very lucky, I know a lot of guys who killed themselves in high powered and expensive motors at young ages. If you go to e90post or MBworld,
79 BMI727 : You can get killed in a Hyundai just as fast. This is silly. Teach him the right way to drive and make sure that you are satisfied that he is mature e
80 Andz : I wrote a post explaining my opinion and it was deleted too. So what? He's SIXTEEN! Pretty much what I wrote, that was deleted. Methinks you should h
81 ZuluAviator994 : But the warranty is good. However, it wouldn't be my first choice.
82 FlyMIA : Any modern car can go 115mph, its not the car which kills is the driver. I have had some friends with very fast and expensive cars and many of them d
83 BMI727 : I would say just the opposite. If he takes an interest in the engineering and improvement of his vehicle encourage it. You never know where it may le
84 Airtrainer : Now this thread is going totally insane. I've read Atlantas' post saying how he had changed his mind, and I must say I was happy to read this, but the
85 KiwiRob : And you can get killed walking across the street, but there is a reason why insurance companies charge high premiums for young males in high powered
86 KiwiRob : Neither would that same gearhead regard American GM, Chrysler and Ford well built, in fact I think most would consider anything made in Korea better
87 Cadet57 : No guessing who typed this.
88 Emirates773ER : Well who ever typed this is a 100% right.
89 Cadet57 : Hardly
90 KiwiRob : Not hard when it has my name against it.
91 Fbgdavidson : We weren't lucky, we were responsible. We didn't street race or drive down airstrips at 150mph because we knew and had learned that was stupid behavi
92 JetsGo : A slow car will absolutely keep him out of trouble. My first car was a 2000 Dodge Stratus and not only was it a textbook pile of shit, but it was slo
93 BMI727 : They charge a higher premium for young males in general, no matter what they drive. And part of the extra cost is because performance cars are genera
94 Springbok747 : Are you kidding me? Really? We have people in our club (Jeep club) with old Jeeps still going strong after 500,000 miles (thats miles, not kilometers
95 L410Turbolet : They ARE immature, in the strict sense of the word... certainly as drivers. Get your first 50,000 km behind the wheel, experience a few crisis situat
96 BMI727 : Not a chance. People can be an idiot in any type of car. If someone is stupid and immature, the solution is not a slower car.
97 JetsGo : I was there six years ago. If you have a slow car, you learn within a week it just isn't worth it to push it hard and fast. It just isn't fun. Especi
98 Cadet57 : There is no sense reasoning with him. He hates every american car regardless of make, model, etc. The fact that he continues to type out is standard
99 KiwiRob : I know several people who have bought new Jeeps within the last 10 years and they've been terrible cars, trim falling off, terrible rattles, leaking
100 JJJ : That's pretty much it. When talking about getting my first car, I was supposed to inherit my uncle's Renault 5 GT Turbo but my parents finally decide
101 Springbok747 : At home we have a '97 Cherokee and a 2007 Wrangler, both are solid. The Cherokee has done almost 250,000 kms, no problems whatsoever. My dad even too
102 L410Turbolet : Those "Korean POS" have been making a huge progress in terms of quality and engineering. Not sure if the same can be said about the fmr Big Three. We
103 KiwiRob : Yes as Taxi's, you also find Blacks Cabs in London, Mercedes E Classes in Germany and Falcons in Australia with hugw milage but would you want to dri
104 Atlanta : OK just an update. I bought the A3 today, and felt It was a good choice, I test drove it and immediately knew he would love it. I feels great, very sa
105 Fly2HMO : Great choice! What version exactly is it? I think you should've waited for the new RS5 to come out in a few months. The S5 has the same engine as the
106 BMI727 : Keep the RS4 and trade in the S5 if they bring an RS6 to the US. Good choice. It is Quattro I assume? Pretty good choice for a first car and I think
107 Atlanta : Double post please delete![Edited 2009-07-28 12:45:22]
108 Atlanta : Engine $ 26,920.00 2.0 T 200 HP Acceleration: Top speed: Exterior $ 475.00 Misano Red, pearl effect Interior Seats: Sport seats Material: Leather sea
109 Post contains links Fly2HMO : It's already sold here and I've seen several in the road. It's an awesome car. Oooo sexy color http://www.motorauthority.com/spy-shots-2010-audi-rs5.
110 KiwiRob : The RS6 doesn't exist at the moment, from what I have heard when the RS6 ends production the RS5 and new RS4 will turn up. The S5 is a great car, I'd
111 MCOflyer : Dang man, that is one nice car for the grand son. Hunter
112 KiwiRob : Woops I meant to say RS5, the RS6 sure does exist, it's a beast.
113 Ken777 : To be blunt, our MX-3 needs replaced and I'm looking at a KIA - better value than most cars and it has a good warranty. Might also look at a Mazda, b
114 Atlanta : Well his flight instructor says he has a lot of promise, maybe he will do it from the flight deck! Atlanta
115 CXB77L : The key word in that sentence is control. One's ability to control a vehicle is not inversely proportional to age, but rather it is inversely proport
116 Atlanta : I meant to write I paid: $32,495. Are they coming to the U.S.? Atlanta
117 Post contains links FLY2HMO : The RS5 will be officially unveiled in FRA this september. It should be in the states sometime next year. The new RS4 will follow shortly after but o
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