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Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL.  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 87
Posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Thoughts?

I think he did his time in prison and want to see him under center by middle October as a starter.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534970,00.html

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Today is a dark, dark day for the NFL. Goes to show that Goodell just cannot seem to enforce his own rules anymore. I have lost all faith in Goodell.

What a joke!  no 

But then again, who would want to sign Vick and his baggage that comes with him? I don't think anyone (except for the Felon-led Raiders team) would want to sign him.

Please, Seattle....do NOT sign this dude! I'd take Seneca Wallace over Michael "Convicted Dogfighter" Vick any day!



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1901 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Michael Vick: Reinstated To NFL

Thats a dam shame.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 87
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

He's going to do all sorts of PSAs for PETA and served hard time in prison for killing dogs; not humans.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
I have lost all faith in Goodell.

Goodell is the best commish, by far in any league, in the last 20 yrs. He's not judge, jury, or advocate; he's the NFL top dog.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1894 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Today is a dark, dark day for the NFL. Goes to show that Goodell just cannot seem to enforce his own rules anymore. I have lost all faith in Goodell.

To be honest he has done his time. He says he is sorry. If it is true then perhaps he should be allowed back. Goodell and the NFL have leveled a 5 week suspension which is to make a statement to Vick. Vick already had 32 week suspension leveled by the US penal system

Stallworth will be allowed back and he killed a person with mansluaghter.



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User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4676 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1892 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
I think he did his time in prison and want to see him under center by middle October as a starter.

Fair enough, let the man have a chance to do right after serving his time. To hell with the witch-hunters!



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Finally. This guy has already served his time in prison and deserves to be reinstated. He's lost a lot of money and others have done worst and have not served as bad a sentence. Remember Pac man jones? He caused three people to get shot, one guy pralyzed from the shoulders down and punched a stripper in the face. Goodell slapped him on the wrist because no one was protesting he pretended not to give a damn. But because of all these animal lovers, Goodell has to go tough on Vick. I think itt's a Fair reinstatement, and I don't see a problem with it. Oh an BTW, he is already reinstated, this for all you people who claimed he would NEVER make it back in, and I guarantee that an NFL team wil pick him up either this season or next season.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1881 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 3):
Goodell is the best commish, by far in any league, in the last 20 yrs. He's not judge, jury, or advocate; he's the NFL top dog. Yeah sure

He may be...but he says something but acts completely the opposite... in this case: Vick. But that is just one example.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
To be honest he has done his time.

 checkmark  I agree.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
He says he is sorry.

But has he shown any remorse? Is he really, really sorry? Talk is cheap.  sarcastic  Actions speaks louder than words. If he was really sorry, he would have not done the crime in the first place.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
If it is true then perhaps he should be allowed back

This is where I disagree with you. If Vick is allowed back into the NFL for a felonious crime, then maybe we should allow a convicted felon who was once a ramper or a pilot back in the airlines again? Where do we draw the line?

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 4):
Vick already had 32 week suspension leveled by the US penal system

He should have served it all, IMO.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 6):
I guarantee that an NFL team wil pick him up either this season or next season.

Like who? The Raiders who are led by felons??  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

"Ron Mexico" is coming back already?

Terrell Owens is saying he would welcome Vick back to the league. I only hope the Bills down not sign him as the thought of TO and Vick on the same team as Marshawn Lynch would put the thug meter into the danger zone

I wonder who the team will be that does take a chance on him



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1874 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
This is where I disagree with you. If Vick is allowed back into the NFL for a felonious crime, then maybe we should allow a convicted felon who was once a ramper or a pilot back in the airlines again? Where do we draw the line

It is a fair disagreement, however in the case of an airline there are MANY peoples lives literally riding on the decison to let a felon back into the fold. In the NFL, there are truly only games one or lost based on this . It is a bit of a different field of view.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1866 times:



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 9):
It is a bit of a different field of view.

But the logic is the same, not just at an airline and in the NFL, but pretty much every profession. Nowadays, employers do criminal background checks on just about any job available out there. Target does criminal background checks, even on folks who clean the bathrooms and collect carts outside the store.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 9):
In the NFL, there are truly only games one or lost based on this .

I hate to say it but it goes beyond wins or losses. Look at the kids who look up to sports stars *cringes* and sees that this guy was convicted for dogfighting. That kid is gonna be like "Well, I can do the same thing as Vick did and can still play football." Is that the kind of example you want your kid to have growing up? (Hell, do you even want your kids to look up to sports figures in general??) They should be looking up to YOU, the parent. Not sports figures.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1862 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
Today is a dark, dark day for the NFL. Goes to show that Goodell just cannot seem to enforce his own rules anymore. I have lost all faith in Goodell.

As much I despise Vick he brings in money and that is what the NFL is about. You can't lose sight of the fact that the NFL, MLB, NHL and NBA are businesses and businesss need to make money. To do that you need viewers and fans in seats. Vick brings that because even tho he is a dog killer he is a great player. It's the reason Ray Lewis plays and why Burress will be back too.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

A horrible day in the NFL. Why would they allow someone like Michael Vick back? Sports players are also supposed to be role models for children, so what would you say to e.g. a 10 year old NFL fan about the re-instatement of a convicted felon like Michael Vick? How would this be justified towards those kids?

One more reason why I'm becoming more and more a fan of College Football, because that's where the real excitement is and because those amateur players have yet to be corrupted by the money the NFL offers.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1860 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 11):
Vick brings that because even tho he is a dog killer he is a great player.

Wow, a great player? What was his stats for 2007 and 2008? What awards did he earn during those times?  sarcastic 

There are other ways the NFL can generate revenue. The NFL does not revolve around Vick, or any convicted felon who may be re-entering the NFL.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1853 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
he says something but acts completely the opposite

Quote? Source?

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
just one example.

What example have you given? Goodell and his small army of NFL lawyers have been very careful with every statement involving Vick since the news broke.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
Actions speaks louder than words

He's already doing the deal with PETA.

Quoting Ihadapheo (Reply 8):
only hope the Bills

Since KROC can't sign Losman for the Anet fantasy league, I bet he goes after Vick!  duck 


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1847 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
Quote? Source?

You don't need one. It's the obvious. But if you really want one, dig up any article from ESPN or any sports magazine outfit.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
What example have you given?

For starters...Vick. Someone else above then said PacMan Jones..... Read next time.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 14):
He's already doing the deal with PETA.

Not by choice, I don't think.....



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7135 posts, RR: 87
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1835 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 15):
dig up any article from ESPN

How about you supply the article since your the one posting information on the thread that isn't true.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb.../nfl/2009-03-25-goodell-vick_N.htm

From SI.com
Michael Vick, in the final stages of serving a 23-month sentence for bankrolling a dogfighting ring, will apparently have to pass another standard before he is cleared to return to the NFL. He must show remorse. That's the opinion of NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, who suspended Vick indefinitely in August 2007 after the Atlanta Falcons quarterback pled guilty and who will eventually rule if Vick applies for reinstatement after his July 20 release date.

From WashingtonPost
"While it is for the criminal justice system to determine your guilt or innocence, it is my responsibility as commissioner of the National Football League to determine whether your conduct, even if not criminal, nonetheless violated league policies, including the personal conduct policy," Goodell wrote Vick in a letter yesterday, according to an NFL statement.

The ESPN, Google News, Sports Illustrated, Washington Post, and CBSports articles all said the same thing. Article dates ranged from 24 July, 2007 to 27 July, 2009.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but don't go posting false information cause you think Vick doesn't deserve a second chance.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1830 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
He must show remorse.

But has he really?? He can be a great actor (Hell, anyone can...) but then again, talk is cheap.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
How about you supply the article since your the one posting information on the thread that isn't true.

Nah, I didn't need to. Thanks though!  wave 

Quoting FXramper (Reply 16):
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but don't go posting false information cause you think Vick doesn't deserve a second chance.

You may be right, but at the end of the day, Vick is still a felon. And oh... I never posted false information. All I said that he hasn't shown any remorse. Again, do you really think he is remorseful? I didn't think so....



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User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3701 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Since it seems he'll be fully reinstated, here's hoping it happens...

...and nobody signs him for fear of repeated stupidity.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1827 times:



Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 18):
...and nobody signs him for fear of repeated stupidity.

 checkmark  Just like what happened with Barry Bonds.... I predict Vick will become the second coming of Barry Bonds....and much more folks to follow....



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

If OJ Simpson could still run the 100 in 10 seconds the NFL would have him back, they'd take anyone regardless of what that person did.


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineCOrocks From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

I have heard so many people today on sports radio saying he should not be suspended because he "served his time". I would agree that he served his time to the US penal system, but he has not served his time to the NFL. He looked Goodell and Blank in the eye and said he was not involved in a dog fighting ring. That is why he is being suspended 5 games.

Personally, I am not sure someone will pick him up. The negative publicity is going to be huge. After 2 years off, he is a backup at best - why all the headaches for a backup?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1806 times:



Quoting COrocks (Reply 21):
I have heard so many people today on sports radio saying he should not be suspended because he "served his time".

He served his time, yes. But did he really learn anything? IMO, no. He is still a felon.

Quoting COrocks (Reply 21):
Personally, I am not sure someone will pick him up. The negative publicity is going to be huge. After 2 years off, he is a backup at best - why all the headaches for a backup?

 checkmark 



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1802 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Wow, a great player? What was his stats for 2007 and 2008?

Weren't that great but most of his career he was the most exciting QB to watch.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
There are other ways the NFL can generate revenue

Name some outside of ticket sales and TV revenue which is the only way owners and the league make money.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 18):
and nobody signs him for fear of repeated stupidity.

Doubtful, teams need to win and fill seats. Someone will sign him.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Just like what happened with Barry Bonds.... I predict Vick will become the second coming of Barry Bonds....and much more folks to follow....

Screw Bonds what about Manny? LA treated him like hero after the news or roids broke.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16993 posts, RR: 48
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Please, the NFL would reinstate someone who raped and murdered a child if it made them money Yeah sure


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25 AirframeAS : Any other than Vick. It is that simple. Really? Tell that to Barry Bonds. Manny will screw up one of these days and then will be ousted. Its not a ma
26 NIKV69 : Thank you for not answering the question but not a surprise since you can't. Oh Lord he was the most self centered player and only cared about himsel
27 D L X : Why? Looks like the penal system worked. Man did crime. Man got caught. Man went to jail. man repaid his debt to society. Why are you so vengeful? Wh
28 AirframeAS : Barely. In case you forgot, he had a zero tolerance policy when he became the commish.... unfortunately, he backed down on that policy some time late
29 AustinAirport : He didn't do enough time, in my mind. And he sure the hell shouldn't be allowed back into the league. But whatever... Anything goes these days..
30 FuturePilot16 : It's statements like this that makes me wonder just how smart people are. I hope to god you're making a joke, which I think you are, because anyone w
31 AirframeAS : PacMan, IIRC, was suspended for a quite awhile by Goodell. Don't forget, ex-Carolina WR Rae Carruth is no longer in the league after he shot his gf(?
32 YooYoo : He's done his time, fair enough...the league has reinstated him, fine....but, i will not be a fan of Vick, ever!! that's for sure. He may not have kil
33 D L X : Barely? What part of his debt has he not repaid? And what the hell does he owe YOU? Umm, Vick was kept out of football for two years and 6 games on t
34 AirframeAS : On that one, I was not talking about Vick. I was talking about Goodell and his zero tolerance policy. (Sort of a subject change a little bit....) Bec
35 LTBEWR : NFL Commissioner Goodell made his decision to reinstate Michael Vick out of fear of being seen as racist and of lawsuits by Vick and/or the Players Un
36 MaverickM11 : I was being overly harsh, but to say I'm consistently underwhelmed by pro-sports would be too kind.
37 StasisLAX : Ding Ding DING - we have a winner. It's not about humanity, animal rights, or anything else. This is AMERICA and the NFL, it's all about the millions
38 MaverickM11 : You said it much better than my rash outburst, but I'm biased, and hate everything about pro sports
39 NIKV69 : Actually looking at the rosters the NFL is quite short on great players. The league needs Burress and Vick and that is why they will play.
40 Kmh1956 : It IS sick. I have always held the view that you can tell how a person will treat other people by the way they treat animals. I stand to be corrected
41 D L X : So is going over 20 mph over the speed limit in some states. Would you expel someone from the league for being caught felony speeding? Doubtful, so c
42 Kmh1956 : My ex-husband used to throw my cats out the window or across the yard. It was only about a year later that he started on me. He's still young. I'm no
43 FuturePilot16 : You know what great point. I was at a drinking/driving class a few weeks back and we watched a video with a woman whose son was killed by a drunk dri
44 D L X : I'm sorry that you experienced that, but you have to know that that's not the experience of everyone. That's your choice, and I would never begrudge
45 Mir : He's done his time for society. I'm not convinced he's done his time for the NFL. The NFL could make plenty of money without Vick. There are plenty o
46 NIKV69 : How? He brings viewers and revenue. Yea just ask Raw Lewis and Pacman Jones.
47 Tsaord : He did his crime. He did his time. He paid his debit to society. He deserves to get his life back together and if that means what paid his bills, bein
48 PIA777 : This is all Bull!!! He killed dogs not a human. The commish has put all these contingencies just to keep people like PETA off his back. Vick has paid
49 Tsaord : You are right. The NFL will milk this whole thing for every dollar its worth. Money makes the world go around. Controversial players keep people talk
50 7324ever : Sorry there is no way you can advocate dog fights. Period there is no excuse that a man who pins two dogs against each other just for the thrill of i
51 Mir : And of course there are no other players out there who could bring plenty of money and viewers to the NFL besides Vick. Lewis should have gotten a le
52 LTBEWR : There is no doubt in my mind that if Vick had been not reinstated (even with all it's conditions), Goodell would have been seen as racist by Vick's s
53 FuturePilot16 : I don't believe that. First off, Goodell would never have dismissed Vick because of the process he took to get reinstated. Meaning Vick met with ment
54 AGM100 : Let him play , but lets hope he does it the right way ... earns his way back onto a team , stays humble and plays football. If I see him at some thug
55 Fxramper : ESPN Insider (subcription link) are reporting that the Bengals, Jaguars, and Raiders are all showing signs of interest with Vick. He could steal the j
56 Post contains links D L X : Check this out: there's some talk about him coming to the Skins. I'm not sure how I feel about having him here. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu.
57 7324ever : If you support Vick then why don't you want him local to you?
58 FXramper : Portis and Vick in the back field; could be great with an already good receiving core. Favre is staying retired reports ESPN, so the Vikings could pl
59 D L X : I support Vick returning to the league. I also support Jason Campbell as the Redskins QB. I do not advocate (or support) dog fighting in any way. My
60 FlyDeltaJets87 : Not my Bengals! But then again, what's one more con on a team that's full of them.... I have mixed feelings. On one side, I say Vick has served his s
61 Seb146 : What about Pete Rose? Look, here we have one guy, Vick, who physically harmed other living creatures. He gets two years off from his sport. Here we h
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