StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3266 posts, RR: 6 Posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4212 times:
From today's UK Telegraph:
"Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service. Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history."
Frightening that the U.S. Secret Service doesn't have the funding it truly needs to protect the President, Vice-President, and their families - truly disturbing that there's been a 400 percent increase on death threats.....
Quote: Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service.
I guess one can infer that Obama's haters have more violent tendencies than Bush haters.
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Lowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4152 times:
Quoting Max999 (Reply 1): guess one can infer that Obama's haters have more violent tendencies than Bush haters.
Only if there was a corresponding increase in attempts.
What you could infer is that Obama is not the uniting leader some portrayed him to be.
SCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5091 posts, RR: 28 Reply 3, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4132 times:
I abhor President Obama's bizarrely flawed vision for our country, and believe him (and a complicit congress) to present a grave threat to our freedom.
But.
He is the President, duly elected, and for this reason alone, if no other, he must be well-protected; a threat against my President (and my President is whomever is in office, even when it was the well-meaning but inept James Carter) is a threat against me and all I hold dear.
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PacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 839 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4125 times:
Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter): Frightening that the U.S. Secret Service doesn't have the funding it truly needs to protect the President, Vice-President, and their families
Well, as the old saying goes, the proof of the pudding is in the tasting. If the Secret Service protects the President, Vice President, and their families during their time in office, then I guess the Secret Service does have the funding it needs. Only time will tell, but for now it would appear that the Secret Service is doing its job (inasmuch as the President, Vice President, and their families are all safe and sound).
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16260 posts, RR: 52 Reply 7, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3854 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): What BS, have any bombed any police stations like Bill Ayers? Give me a break the radical left is much more violent than the right
Not police stations, but they bomb Federal buildings where people (a lot of people) actually died. They also kill Doctors, as well as a tourist visiting the Olympic games in Atlanta etc..
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7635 posts, RR: 28 Reply 8, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3812 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7):
What BS, have any bombed any police stations like Bill Ayers? Give me a break the radical left is much more violent than the right.
This kind of tit-for-tat is beyond annoying. Forget about these guys, perchance?
The only thing all of these radicals have in common, whether left or right wing, is severe mental illness.
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
Us330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3745 posts, RR: 14 Reply 9, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
They may be stretched to the limit, but if you read a recently published Washington Post article that profiles the secret service selection/training process, they certainly aren't lowering their standards to admit less qualified candidates.
RFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
One factor would be improved communications. A lot of threats would only be heard among a few friends down at the local bar in the past.
One thing the Secret Service noted in the past 10 years is that the increased use of the internet, blogs, etc - more and more written threats against the President were made against the President. The number increased every year during the Bush administration.
The number of 3,000 is a huge increase over the times of LBJ and Tricky Dick.
Another factor is the Department of Homeland Security. Their active web searches of forums, Facebook and blogs turn up many more threats than in the past.
Fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 13, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3764 times:
Max550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3718 times:
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 7): Quoting Max999 (Reply 1):
I guess one can infer that Obama's haters have more violent tendencies than Bush haters
What BS, have any bombed any police stations like Bill Ayers? Give me a break the radical left is much more violent than the right.
Both sides have violent fringes. I don't think we can say one is more violent than the other because fortunately 99.999% of people are not violent.
I'm not surprised that there are more threats against the President. One party has all of the power right now so people on the other side feel more threatened and are angry about it. Until these people feel like they have a party that represents them I don't see the threats decreasing. I wish they would put their energy into building their party into something that represents them, rather than trying to destroy the other party.
That being said, maybe these people should be reminded of how the Presidential line of succession works. It goes Biden, Pelosi, Byrd, then Clinton. Do these people really want one of them to become President?
"Since Mr Obama took office, the rate of threats against the president has increased 400 per cent from the 3,000 a year or so under President George W. Bush, according to Ronald Kessler, author of In the President's Secret Service. Some threats to Mr Obama, whose Secret Service codename is Renegade, have been publicised, including an alleged plot by white supremacists in Tennessee late last year to rob a gun store, shoot 88 black people, decapitate another 14 and then assassinate the first black president in American history."
Frightening that the U.S. Secret Service doesn't have the funding it truly needs to protect the President, Vice-President, and their families - truly disturbing that there's been a 400 percent increase on death threats.....
Max550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3623 times:
Quoting Michlis (Reply 18): I take deep offense. I know some very good people who are friends and collegues who were born and raised in the South. They are very thoughtful, dedicated and dutiful people who value their traditions and heritage. It's been my experience that the "terrible little people" are those who pass judgment on Southerners, those from the Bible belt and generally anyone who disagrees with them as uneducated hicks who don't have a clue about what America is about.
Exactly, stereotyping different areas is part of why we're so divided. Both sides do it and it's getting to the point of hatred in some cases. It's the reason I don't watch cable news anymore, they stereotype everyone into a few groups and choose the worst offenders as their examples of why that groups opinion is inferior to theirs.
I've lived in enough places, known enough people and driven across the country enough times to learn that people don't fit into these nice simple stereotypes. It's far more complex than that and we will remain divided until people stop pointing out why we should dislike certain areas or groups and instead point out what we have in common and work from there.
FuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2018 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 3550 times:
Well, these guys could try, but with the amount of protection he's getting, I doubt they'll get very far. Plus it's not like they're keeping it secret, they're proud to announce that they want to be the first to attempt to kill the first black president. Gets me really angry when a man is a target because of his skin color. I believe that's one thing that will never change in this country. We try to hide the racism factor as if it's a non-issue, then if Obama brings it up, he is visciously attacked by his opposition. Now we see why the man doesn't shy away from questions about racism. It's not because he's a racist, it's because he's recieved more threats on his life from white supremacists and other racists, than any other president in U.S. history. America needs to stop pretending like this is not an issue. A question of racism comes up and everyone wants to shy away from it and bury it like it's not an issue.
"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7453 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
Quoting SCCutler (Reply 4): I abhor President Obama's bizarrely flawed vision for our country, and believe him (and a complicit congress) to present a grave threat to our freedom.
Change "Obama's" to "Bush's" and you have the reason why the Democrats are in the White House and have majorities in both the House and Senate
Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 5): then I guess the Secret Service does have the funding it needs.
Actually, one of the comments during an interview was that funding has gone down since the SS was transferred to Homeland Security. Might be a good reason to re-look at what is under the Homeland Security umbrella.
TheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3347 posts, RR: 30 Reply 20, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
Obviously the US have very strong security in all areas. Whether it is overkill or needed is certainly debatable. But I am quite sure Obama is in danger, he reminds me of both Kennedys, and we know how those ended.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7774 posts, RR: 22 Reply 21, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3470 times:
Quoting Max999 (Reply 1): I guess one can infer that Obama's haters have more violent tendencies than Bush haters.
Remember we are talking about the lunatic fringe here. Obviously you will have more of the racists involved now, but it is still a fringe element not to be confused with the wider population.
Personally, I pray nothing happens to him for three reasons. First, if he dies, Biden becomes president. Aaaaaaaaagggghhh!!!
Second, If both Obama and Biden are killed, Pelosi becomes president. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Thirdly, if he is killed he will become a martyr, and his policies will be that much more difficult to unravel when a more sensible administration and Congress comes to power.
Michlis From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 737 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3461 times:
Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 18): yeah, he is having a really hard time uniting the racist people ...
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21): Remember we are talking about the lunatic fringe here. Obviously you will have more of the racists involved now, but it is still a fringe element not to be confused with the wider population.
Personally, I pray nothing happens to him for three reasons. First, if he dies, Biden becomes president. Aaaaaaaaagggghhh!!!
Second, If both Obama and Biden are killed, Pelosi becomes president. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
No kidding!
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21): Thirdly, if he is killed he will become a martyr, and his policies will be that much more difficult to unravel when a more sensible administration and Congress comes to power.
I would personally move that down to number 4 with number 4 being it would create a power vacuum until they got Biden out of the bunker, the stock market would take a huge hit and a few of our adversaries might look at this as good time to take a swipe at us.
Seriously though, losing a sitting President is a bad thing whether you agree with him or not.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the outcome of a hundred battles.
Max550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1113 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3456 times:
Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 20): But I am quite sure Obama is in danger, he reminds me of both Kennedys, and we know how those ended.
He may remind you of both Kennedys, but the Secret Service has changed a lot since then. The Secret Service wasn't protecting RFK because at the time they didn't protect primary candidates. JFK was in an open top vehicle, which they don't use anymore, and they are much more thorough about making sure an area is secure.
I've been to several Presidential events for Clinton, Bush, and Obama and the security has always amazed me. There's always a chance that somebody will try something crazy, but I don't know what more they can do short of locking him up in the White House.
StasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3266 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (3 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3367 times:
Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 17): yeah, he is having a really hard time uniting the racist people ...
Ding - Ding - Ding - we have the correct answer!!! These folks are probably the same people as the damn "birthers".....
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
25 KSYR: The Secret Service doesn't mess around-nor should they. Personally, I hope Mr. Obama stays safe and sound through 2012-I want to see his reaction when
26 L-188: Not one of those guys took a shot at the president. In fact in the case of the last photo there is a strong arguement that he was murdered by the fed
27 Aaron747: Bill Ayers never did that either. I was refuting a ludicrous statement with the same brand of reasoning. Your point??
28 L-188: Never said he did, but he was a terrorist.
29 Aaron747: And that has connection to the thread topic...how...exactly?
30 L-188: Don't know you brought him up, I didn't... I was a bit disapointed to see some of my earlier comments removed. They had more relevence then Billy.
31 Aaron747: I wasn't. Suggesting the sitting President quit to keep himself safe is a bit low-class.
32 San747: Well, it just doesn't seem to make sense. Why in hell would anyone quit their job (let alone the Presidency) because there was some risk involved (wh
33 L-188: No, if I had suggested he duck, that would have been low class. A nice clean resignation would solve all problem.
34 Superfly: So in other words you condone the act of killing the President? Perhaps the authorities should be keeping an eye on you.
35 Aaron747: You have really achieved an all-time low with this nonsense. Your posts are beyond the realm of reason.
36 Falstaff: [/quote]Yes all of us are racists and paranoid Obama is a socialist and that is why a large portion of the population doesn't like him. He likes big
37 Superfly: Not everyone who hates President Obama want's to kill him either. Liberals hated Bush for his actions as President, not for his skin color. They don'
38 Falstaff: Around Detroit a lot of people hated him because he was rich and was involved in the oil business. Hating the rich is a common thing in the Detroit a
39 L-188: No I don't and I didn't say that. Remember GW had to duck when a shoe was thrown at him. But I think that as of late we are seeing a lot of alarmism
41 AGM100: If President Obama gets harmed it will be a very very bad day for our America. It will rip our country into shreds . The divide we all hope to close w
42 AustinAirport: I want to apologize for a couple of comments I made(that were in now deleted posts) where I mentioned the South negatively. I myself call the South my
43 L-188: Oh I agree, great figher pilot tuned reflexes....Floats like a butterfly, stings like Dick Cheney.
44 StasisLAX: Bush was almost blown up on May 10, 2005 along with the Georgian President, his wife, and Laura Bush. While President George W. Bush was giving a spe
45 Michlis: Point of clarification: What must one do to "hate" the President? But they still invoked their hatred. What's the difference? Do you know this for a
46 Dtwclipper: We don't feel that way in Birmingham/Bloomfield, now do we? Let me check the Grosse Pointes too....nope they don't hate the rich either.
47 Sbworcs: To be replaced with who? And why would the new President not encounter the same problems?
48 EZEIZA: Obama might be more liberal or have more social policies than Bush, but believe me, Obama, or any othger US president can be called a socialist. One
49 Falstaff: Not so much. But I hear a lot of rich bashing in Detroit, Taylor, Dearborn Hts, and Lincoln Park.
50 JAGflyer: When you elect a black president in a country such as the US which is notorious for white supremacy you need to take into account the amount of protec
51 Max550: Hate is not limited to the southern US. I think it may be more socially acceptable there than in other parts of the country, but it's not limited to
52 Mir: Playing the "your lunatics are worse than our lunatics" game doesn't make a whole lot of sense. There is also the fact that, regardless of who the VP
53 JAGflyer: Hate is everywhere but I'm willing to put money on that an overwelming majority of the death threats on Obama are from the South.
54 Santosdumont: Right-wingers (particularly White supremacists) do it all the time.
55 FuturePilot16: I know, could you imagine the response? Especially for groups like the NAACP, I think the country would be in an all out riot in the inner city neigh
56 Falstaff: The Arian Nation was from Idaho. Hate isn't just in the south. There are parts of Michigan that have had lots of Klan nonsense. I don't know how viol
57 Superfly: Sure it wasn't a Palin rally? The Ku Klutz Klan has killed thousands of people in the past. Don't think for a second that they wont do it again. This
58 Okie: The first thing that popped into my delusional mind was "Et tu Raum" just to lighten things up a little. Okie
61 L-188: Agree right now with Biden in office we don't have a lot of great options. And there is evidence this is happening where? Most I hear about is people
62 Superfly: Wow, and this is coming from someone that thinks it's OK to threaten to kill the President. I think you meant to say Black Panther. They haven't been
63 L-188: And where did I actually say that? Besides I think the death threat claims by the feds are being intentionally overblown. There are quite a few copy-
64 Superfly: 63 post and you have yet to condemn those who desire to carry out the act of killing the President. Your post are so inflammatory that the mods have
65 Ken777: Anyone who is not a Rush Follower is a socialists. If you agree with Fat Rush at least some of the time you're only a liberal. The Republicans painte
66 Falstaff: Bobby Seale was one of the best people I ever heard speak and is one of the nicest people I ever met. I own his 1970 book and I bought it directly fr
67 Dreadnought: BS. Socialism is a formal economic system in which society exerts extensive state interventionism and control over the nation's wealth and property i
68 Santosdumont: Who is more likely to get air time on Fox...failed Calypso lounge singer Louis Farrakhan or closet anti-Semite Sean Hannity?
69 Aaron747: I would say that's fundamentally impossible given the number of Harvard friends he has who are bankers and the absolute disdain he has shown for puni
70 Dreadnought: All that means is that he is a corrupt ideologue. He leans on his ideology, but will make convenient exceptions for his buddies and contributors.
71 Santosdumont: Isn't that the story of all politicians since Caligula, though?
72 Aaron747: That's not 100% then, is it Charles??
73 EZEIZA: politics 101. Just some do it more than others.
74 Ken777: Looks like you missed the sarcasm in my comment. I was talking about how the hard right tags anyone who doesn't agree with them 100%. There has been
75 EZEIZA: correct. But to be fair, that happens all over the world, from both extremes ... I live in a country where it's almost a bad word to say you are a "c
76 Dreadnought: Agreed. The term "Liberal" has been hijacked. There is very little in common between Modern Liberalism and Classical Liberalism, which gave us things
77 StasisLAX: Does no one get it? The AMERICAN public of all political persuasions is demanding reform - the end of the congressional-Wall Street complex, special
78 Slider: There is so much logical fallacy and disingenuousness in this thread it's laughable. Someone opened the door here I see finally. Imagine this scenario
79 L-188: Pretty much my thinking, Discredit the man and the left wing machine.
80 EZEIZA: all due respect, but you have no idea of what you are talking about.
81 Slider: Amen- I’ve drawn on this numerous times. Sadly, today’s liberal and the moniker is what it is. I prefer to call them fascists, which is really wh
82 EZEIZA: Look up Stalin, Mao, Castro .. those were "RED". Compare any potus, democrat or republican is simply pointless. One thing is haviang social oriented
83 Slider: They're back. Semantics....you can split hairs all you like. But statism by ANY name is wrong. Runaway government that controls the private sector an
84 Baroque: Sounds suspiciously like Four legs good Two legs bad and we know where that comes from. More like splitting a fence post from here. And come to that
85 EZEIZA: I'm going to pretend I didn't read that Wait, free speech, protesters being called unamerican ... hmmmm, interesting that the "reds" are doing simila
86 Mt99: Interrupting and preventing the presenter to talk to explain their position is truly un-American. There has been reports of death threats to the spea
87 Flighty: Sure, and Obama haters tend to be extremely well-armed. Bush haters rarely owned weapons, and rarely belonged to hate groups. Bush haters tended to b
88 Slider: There have been threats of death to the PROTESTERS as well!! Now I concur that these events shouldn’t be shout-downs…after all the very right to
89 L-188: Dude, do a websearch for "WTO protests-Seattle." Left wingers are not peaceful when they riot.
90 Slider: Hey, ignorance is bliss I guess... You're putting a partisan tag on this, I'm not. I'm not a Republican and have openly publicly and very vocally cri
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