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Fake Obama Birth Cert. Case Thrown Out (pics)  
User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

Apparently, this Birther, Orly Taitz, presented a fake Kenyan Birth Certificate to a judge in federal court. He threw it out because of the mistakes she made in presenting it to the court, not that it would matter because the australian birth certificate it was based off, has already been found.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_ro...08/06/birth_certificate/index.html

This was found on the site which the fake birth cetificate was posted

Quote:
Fine cotton business paper: $11

Inkjet printer: $35

1940 Royal Model KMM manual typewriter: $10

2 Shilling coin: $1

Pilot Varsity fountain pen: $3

Punkin' the Birthers: Priceless<<<-------.

The birthers are really trying though, MORONS! The picture of the fake certificate is below

http://www.upload.mn/view/2vu1mtqgb7obp3yym18l.jpg


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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12065 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Presenting fake evidence to prove the case of where Obama was born is stupid.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
MORONS! The picture of the fake certificate is below

http://www.upload.mn/view/2vu1mtqgb7...l.jpg

I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.


User currently offlineSbworcs From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2552 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

He is an American Citizen, born to an American Mother in an American State - what are people going to find out that is so different?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2424 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):

I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

If you think that the truth is that he is not a legal US Citizen, then you cannot argue that you are that much more intelligent than they. After all, you have seen the same proof as they did and you agree with them, even if you disagree with their methods.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

If the Clintons couldn't find anything, it doesn't exist.

So is this guy going to jail for presenting false evidence? He ought too.

Again, President Obama can quell this anytime he wants by petitioning the State of Hawaii for the document and the presenting the goods in the WH press room. That ends the story right there. Somehow I think he and his advisors secretly want these idiot birthers to continue so they can try and tie the can around the entire GOP's tail.

[Edited 2009-08-07 17:44:40]

User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2404 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
I agree, they are MORONS. But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

Could you please name these supposedly "smarter" people? So far from what I have seen they all seem to fall into the moron category. In many instances the same people who think the President was not born in the US also think 9-11 was an inside job.


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1832 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2354 times:



Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
In many instances the same people who think the President was not born in the US also think 9-11 was an inside job.

And rightly so. They're smarter because they have actually opened their mind, examined the evidence, and formed their own conclusion based on it instead of automatically accepting what the mainstream media wants them to believe. Right or wrong in the end, it's the more intelligent initial response to questions.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1204 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2345 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
But people who are smarter (apparently that won't take much with these guys) and more didecated to finding the truth, will find it.

... IF it really exists.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

There are plenty of legitimate concerns about where Obama was born.


It is unfortunate that this forged case is being used by the press to marginalize those legitimate concerns.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2316 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
There are plenty of legitimate concerns about where Obama was born.


It is unfortunate that this forged case is being used by the press to marginalize those legitimate concerns.

And there are plenty of legitimate so called "Bigfoot Videos and Pics" out there and thousands claiming to have seen it! What's your point? The fact is, there is no certainty to all these assumptions made by the "Birthers". Oh and since there are such legitimate concerns out there, can you please give me a few examples, or just give me one; One legitimate example of why anyone would think that he was not born in Hawaii, other than the fact that he has not released his birth certificate to the public.



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineT prop From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1018 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2277 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 4):

Again, President Obama can quell this anytime he wants by petitioning the State of Hawaii for the document and the presenting the goods in the WH press room. That ends the story righ

No it doesn't, no matter what he does or whatever documents he produces, the coneheads will say it's fake.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13047 posts, RR: 78
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

'Plenty of legitimate concerns'.
No there isn't, unless your a desperately bitter sore loser who just cannot accept last year that of a majority of Americans who voted, did not vote the way you wanted.
Tough shit, that's democracy, bit selective in your belief in it aren't you all?
Sorry your ego got crushed so, but that's politics.

As on the other thread about this nonsense, please explain just HOW that someone running for this most powerful position, if there were ANY questions or concerns about background, somehow escaped the intense scrutiny that agencies like the Secret Service and others would carry out.
So far no one who remotely subscribes to this BS has bothered to answer, I wonder why?
That's the elephant in the room here, isn't it?
And you've no answer to it.

Worse, if you are into to this nonsense, you are in the same boat as the '911 Truthers', 'Apollo Was Faked' to give two examples, maybe others too, 'Elders Of Zion', 'Concentration Camps were faked'.
Why should you be taken as seriously as them?
Many of the same people into some or all of these are the same who believe in what you 'is Obama really American' types think too.
Same 'reasoning' same tactics - such as when your assertion in disproved it's the 'ah, but what about this?'.
Exactly the same, no difference at all.
Enjoy your new friends.

It confirms the view of many outside the US that you have more the usual % of nutters, political extremists, running around.
Fits in with the also unusually high numbers of those who cannot accept basic scientific truths as well.

Still, won't do Obama any harm, with the fact that even a few GOP nutters are on the fringes of all this, or think by fanning it, it will help them.
It won't though, since one way the US is similar to most Western democracies is that elections are fought and won on the center ground.
So if there are clearly extremist nutters who believe in nonsense like this, only the most base parts of the 'base' are going to be engaged by it.
As we saw by them forcing that Alaskan idiot on to poor old McCain last year.

Still, if you want to carry on making fools of yourselves on here, bringing much incredulous amusement to the rest, carry on typing and linking to nutter sites!


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2213 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
Worse, if you are into to this nonsense, you are in the same boat as the '911 Truthers', 'Apollo Was Faked' to give two examples, maybe others too, 'Elders Of Zion', 'Concentration Camps were faked'.

And that "the climate change isn't man made" or "there is no evolution" in nature by the creatonists.  Yeah sure

Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
It confirms the view of many outside the US that you have more the usual % of nutters, political extremists, running around.
Fits in with the also unusually high numbers of those who cannot accept basic scientific truths as well.

Yep.  yawn 

Axel



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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5911 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2195 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 4):
Again, President Obama can quell this anytime he wants by petitioning the State of Hawaii for the document and the presenting the goods in the WH press room. That ends the story right there.

He has already presented the goods. It's not his or his staffs problem if people won't accept it and makes up some rambling excuse of how it's 'not the proper birth certificate'.


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2179 times:



Quoting T prop (Reply 10):
No it doesn't, no matter what he does or whatever documents he produces, the coneheads will say it's fake.

True but it would quell the over riding majority of those that wonder as another thread shows exist.

Quoting CPH-R (Reply 13):
He has already presented the goods.

Not quite, they have shown photo's not the original document. If he were to request a copy of the document certified by the State of Hawaii as geniune then pass it around the WH press room so the reporters could see touch and examine it then that would end any speculation. Unlike many of the other consipiracy theories out there Kennedy, WTC, Moon, etc this one can be ended pretty quickly and convincingly. But as I said, most likely a part of the Obama staff figures it's better for their guy if they allow it to continue so they can use that to their advantage.


User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1916 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2167 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 14):
But as I said, most likely a part of the Obama staff figures it's better for their guy if they allow it to continue so they can use that to their advantage.

Sure, and why shouldn't they. If your political opponents wanted to spend their time concocting elaborate conspiracy theories and exposing themselves as complete nutcases--and yes, even affecting the reputation of some more moderate opponents--wouldn't you gleefully let them keep going too? Especially if you had better things to do than stop them--like running the country... You'd have to have some good reason not to...



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1843 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Orly Taitz (meltdown edition)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD4X25eoFQo

Also, this link (below) has a pretty good writeup on O RLY:

"When J.D. interviewed the bizarre Ms. Taitz on July 15, he kept referring to her as "Doctor Orly Taitz, Esquire." What he didn't mention is that she's a dentist, not some tenured Professor of Law. Far from it. In fact, records show Taitz received her law degree from Taft Law School in Santa Ana, California, which specializes in "distance learning law programs to qualified students around the world."

Taft's Web site also indicates, "Certain programs utilize a telecommunications learning modality while others employ an independent study learning modality. (In the Juris Doctor Programs, students can select either system.)"

In other words, it ain't Stanford, bubbee. "

(excerpt)

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bas...kfyis_barry_markson_eats_birth.php



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12065 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2122 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
If you think that the truth is that he is not a legal US Citizen, then you cannot argue that you are that much more intelligent than they.

So, exactly how much do you know about MY intellegence? Do you believe there was a gunman on the grassy knole?

Just like a liberal to try to attack those who oppose them on anything. the problem is liberals always show up to a battle of wits, unarmed.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
After all, you have seen the same proof as they did and you agree with them, even if you disagree with their methods.

No, I have not scene their evidence, and I damn sure wouldn't make up fake evidence like they have.

Quoting DXing (Reply 4):
So is this guy going to jail for presenting false evidence? He ought too.

I agree.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
Could you please name these supposedly "smarter" people? So far from what I have seen they all seem to fall into the moron category.

In ageneral catagory? Non-Liberals, and other people who can think all by themselves.

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 5):
In many instances the same people who think the President was not born in the US also think 9-11 was an inside job.

I didn't know Rosie O'Donnell doesn't believe Obama was born in the US. Thanks for that 'tip".


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2106 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 11):
It confirms the view of many outside the US that you have more the usual % of nutters, political extremists, running around.
Fits in with the also unusually high numbers of those who cannot accept basic scientific truths as well.

You don't even know the half of it GDB. There are people in this country who are stocking up on ammunition because they feel the gov't is converting to a socialist state. I don't have a problem with guns, but this is rediculous. People like Orly Taitz makes this country look like we aren't aware of the important issues. I mean, she goes on msnbc and announces the birth certificate, which was fake, made out of an australian certificate, where does it end? If you watch her interview you will see she can barely speak english. Is she even a citizen, if not, why the hell should she care? She gives the resemblence of a racist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUaca8wP9w&feature=related



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13047 posts, RR: 78
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

Futurepilot, I've wondered about that, however America has become in recent decades, a much more 'socalist state', courtesy of the GOP.
Socialist that is to large corporations, the very and super rich, an odd kind you may think, but if Deng who led China for some 20 years after 1978, could call his turbo charged free market reforms Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, I guess there is room for 'Socialism with American Characteristics' too.

While I'm not about to ascribe to individuals here, who I don't know, with racism, denying that is not a strong element in the more loopy types is yet another form of denial.
Just because America crossed a very great boundary with his election, which it is to be congratulated for, and would have been too if say Colin Powell had ever been the first black President, does not mean that not very far under the surface a lot of people hate and resent the fact of his election for that alone.

Some of that bloated monster Rush's pronouncements, have been overtly racist.
Anyone in good conscience, whatever their general political views, would have boycotted his bile spewing just for that.
Yet he seems to have more influence than ever in a great US political party, the party of Lincoln.
Shameful.

Seriously paranoid gun nuts and racism go together, as we have seen with some of the cases you allude to.
Frankly, there is probably at least as serious or even a greater domestic terrorism threat to the US now, from home grown non Islamist nutters, rather than Islamists themselves.
Remember Tim McVeigh?


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2080 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
Some of that bloated monster Rush's pronouncements, have been overtly racist.
Anyone in good conscience, whatever their general political views, would have boycotted his bile spewing just for that.
Yet he seems to have more influence than ever in a great US political party, the party of Lincoln.
Shameful.

This man is one of the biggest right wing nuts in America. He feels the need to slander anything democratic and liberal. His points are so biased and I believe his followers are just liek him, a bunch of rich pompous jerks who believe that equality in america is not their cup of tea, so they use other issues to make it seem as though liberals are ruining this country. Any man than does not believe in our president and wants him to fail, is no American. Not only that but he is one of the biggest RACISTS in the the media in America.

P.S. here is something to back up your statement
http://newsone.com/obama/top-10-racist-limbaugh-quotes/

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
Seriously paranoid gun nuts and racism go together, as we have seen with some of the cases you allude to.
Frankly, there is probably at least as serious or even a greater domestic terrorism threat to the US now, from home grown non Islamist nutters, rather than Islamists themselves.
Remember Tim McVeigh?

Funny you mention that, the FBI arrested 8 men a few weeks in connection with a plot to commit terrorism abroad. These guys were born american converted muslims who went to pakistan and afghanistan to learn how to wage war against their own country.



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2075 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 14):

True but it would quell the over riding majority of those that wonder as another thread shows exist.



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 18):

You don't even know the half of it GDB. There are people in this country who are stocking up on ammunition because they feel the gov't is converting to a socialist state.

Those people have been doing this for a long time. They gained a lot of attention back in the mid-1990's with the OKC bombing (especially since there was a connection to my home state of Michigan and the Michigan Militia. My swim coach was actually a "militiaman.").

A major problem with education in the U.S. is that we indoctrinate children with this strange, idealistic view of how the U.S. is supposed to be. When some of them grow up and learn that the fairy tales aren't true, they react violently and try to MAKE them true.

We need to stop beating our chests at our kids about how superior we are and how wonderful we are and stick to teaching them how the U.S. actually works. The good and the bad.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2045 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 14):
But as I said, most likely a part of the Obama staff figures it's better for their guy if they allow it to continue so they can use that to their advantage

Exactly,

And of course the White house is milking the "Any critisim of Obama is race based" horse as much as they can. Sad part is that many people can't see through that yet.

For example.....

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
Some of that bloated monster Rush's pronouncements, have been overtly racist.




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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2025 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 22):
And of course the White house is milking the "Any critisim of Obama is race based" horse as much as they can. Sad part is that many people can't see through that yet.

For example.....

My friend, if you don't think that Rush Limabugh is racist, then you hvae obviously NEVER EVER heard anything that man has said. He is one of the biggest racists on the radio in america. I'm not calling for him to be removed (I respect freedom of speech) but he is an embarrasment to himself, coonservatives and the entire republican party. He is a racist (Hence the reason he has attacked Obama non-stop since the election), big time, and there is proof readily available if you want it.



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineIwenttoYXEonce From Canada, joined Mar 2009, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

If Barack Obama wasn't born in the US, where was he born?

25 FuturePilot16 : The Birthers claims he was born in his father's homeland of Kenya. They have released several fake birth certificates from Kenya and none of it has a
26 Post contains links CPH-R : They showed it to FactCheck.org http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html And at some point they have to say enough is enough. I'm
27 DXing : They showed pictures of a digitaly scanned document. The State of Hawaii department of health has repeatedly said that the only person who can reques
28 CPH-R : I think you're mixing two arguments up here. First, the original document doesn't exist anymore as everything is now stored digitally. And how exactl
29 DAL7e7 : Wasn't Obama born a Barry and then changed religions to become Barack anyways? Trey
30 StasisLAX : " target=_blank>http://www.upload.mn/view/2vu1mtqgb7...l.jpg The birthers are mainly psycho white power racists that CANNOT accept the fact that the
31 D L X : False. They were shown the birth certificate, complete with the raised seal of the State of Hawaii. That makes it admissible evidence which will be a
32 AKiss20 : Barry was a nickname that Obama adopted in his teens and twenties, probably because growing up Barack is not the easiest thing. His closer friends st
33 DXing : From fact check: In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might n
34 LMP737 : No they are not smarter or more open minded. If anything they are close minded. Let's go over the list of "evidence" brought forth by the birthers. T
35 D L X : Yeah right. If he produced it at the White House, you'd find another excuse to not accept it. You'd say something like "well, I wasn't there that day
36 LMP737 : I noticed you did not name any specific individual. Here's some names for you, Jerome Corsi, Alex Jones and Philip Berg. Three names that often appea
37 DXing : It's not that I don't accept it. I don't question he was born in Hawaii as he says. He could have been born in Kenya as they say and I still would sa
38 LMP737 : The name calling on both sides has gotten old.
39 FuturePilot16 : Not only that. Have you realized that these conspiracy theorists never get anywhere? They have been around for years now and the have never ever been
40 LMP737 : Yes I have. Unfortanetly for us they have not.
41 D L X : My bad. I actually should have known that from reading your earlier posts. Substitute all "you's" for "they's."
42 SQ325 : Bush cheated in the 2000 elections, remember Florida. Even if obama had cheated, which I think is the greatest crap ever he had the majority of voters
43 GDB : Just how long do some on here really want to look at best silly, or deluded and bitter, at worst racist? And believing stuff from '911 Truthers' excep
44 AirframeAS : All you need is Obama's birth certificate number and you can probably access it on Hawaii's government website. I am pretty sure most birth certificat
45 FuturePilot16 : You don't know the half of it. Faux News needs to go. You should come here for a few days and see just how delusional it is. It's not the majority, j
46 GDB : .....Or they are just a minority that happens to be that much louder? So some 'Birthers' are also 'Truthers' but they are all a bunch of wankers!
47 DocLightning : Please provide an example of when the White House has said this in the last month.
48 DocLightning : Just remember, when you have to lie to make your point, it automatically invalidates your point.
49 Post contains images N229NW :
50 L-188 : Sounds like a point Keith Obermann needs to pay more attention to. [
51 Cws818 : Or Sean Hannity or Rush....
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