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Apple Or Microsoft. Which One Should I Choose?  
User currently offlineVarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

Here's the deal : my current Compaq Presario (Windows XP), is now running near its full capacity. I've owned this notebook for 5 years. Runs good and all.
It's now time for new machine. I have read and articles about Vista and Windows7. Opinions on both, aren't too good.
Last week, a co worker purchased a MacBook. Incredible how fast it boots and runs.
So, what do yaw'll think? Mac or Microsoft?

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User currently offlineGolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Fedora 11. Boot to login screen in 20 seconds, free, amazing collection of free software and applications.

IMO Macs are highly overrated. The premium is completely unjustified. MS is bloatware. 4G hard drive and minimum 1G RAM for just booting the OS is just plain ridiculous.


User currently offlineVarigB707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5708 times:



Quoting Golfradio (Reply 1):
Fedora 11

any web address?


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5691 times:



Quoting Varigb707 (Thread starter):
It's now time for new machine. I have read and articles about Vista and Windows7. Opinions on both, aren't too good.

I'm not sure what you've been reading, but I've heard nothing but rave reviews about Win7 --- even from some Mac people.

As for Linux, I would recommend Ubuntu over Fedora for the uninitiated, but both are very good distros.



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User currently offlineGolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 748 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5686 times:



Quoting VarigB707 (Reply 2):
any web address?

http://fedoraproject.org/

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 3):
As for Linux, I would recommend Ubuntu over Fedora for the uninitiated

True. But fedora too has vastly improved it's desktop support in terms of more driver support.

http://www.ubuntu.com/


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21412 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5665 times:

Unless you are absolutely forced to use a lot of software most of the time which only exists for Windows, you will most probably fare much better with the Mac.

That the most frequent commentary of recent Windows-to-Mac switchers is "I should have done this much earlier!" could give you a hint.

There is no actual magic to the Mac and using a Mac doesn't turn you into a better human being – it may possibly turn you into a less stressed and less frustrated version of yourself, however.

Macs (and most other Apple products, for that matter) are simply made rather well, with the hardware and the software built to higher standards than the ones most people are accustomed to (there are actually PCs which are built to similar quality standards at a similar price, just no matching high-quality operating system to run on them).

Yes, there will still be occasional instances when things won't run as smoothly as they should, but in many more instances you'll find that you're spending much less effort on maintaining the computer and you're getting more done with less frustration. Top-notch support including the Apple Stores helps as well: Apple takes their responsibility for both hard- and software seriously; There is no mutual finger-pointing between separate manufacturers.

And, of course, you can still run all your Windows stuff on the Mac, either seamlessly from a virtual machine application (VMWare / Parallels Desktop / Virtual Box) or via dual boot natively (for games and such). The same is true for Linux as well, if you want to try it.


Windows 7 is just the second layer of lipstick on the same old Windows mess after the Vista layer apparently didn't stick. The substance remains pretty much the same. The problem is that Microsoft still doesn't know how to create something that is not a chronic or acute pain to use, no matter how much makeup they're sticking to it.


For a user who doesn't primarily want to explore the depths of his system, I would recommend against Linux as well. It is great if your computer itself is your hobby or if you want to run a major server facility, but for normal users it is just too difficult and limiting over the long haul.


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5637 times:



Quoting Varigb707 (Thread starter):
I've owned this notebook for 5 years. Runs good and all.

Seems to me, you've answered your own question. I've always been a big subscriber to the belief, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". You've apparently had very good results with a PC and Windows, why would you even consider changing to Apple/Mac?


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21412 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5633 times:



Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 6):
Seems to me, you've answered your own question. I've always been a big subscriber to the belief, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". You've apparently had very good results with a PC and Windows, why would you even consider changing to Apple/Mac?

Having adapted to a chronic pain doesn't mean it's not a relief when that pain stops altogether.

The responses from most switchers speak for themselves in that regard.


User currently offlineAustinAirport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5624 times:



Quoting Golfradio (Reply 1):
Fedora 11. Boot to login screen in 20 seconds, free, amazing collection of free software and applications.

Hehe. I consider myself a Distro jocky, trying Fedora, OpenSUSE, Ubuntu, Debian, and others, and I have to say Ubuntu is great. My Dell laptop works amazingly well, with a Vista + Ubuntu Dual Boot.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 3):
As for Linux, I would recommend Ubuntu over Fedora for the uninitiated, but both are very good distros.

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You could buy a new computer, and then take the old one, and install Linux, I mean.. what have you got to lose?  Smile



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5615 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
Having adapted to a chronic pain doesn't mean it's not a relief when that pain stops altogether.

The responses from most switchers speak for themselves in that regard.


This is pretty painless to do on the mac, too:

sudo rm -r /

[Edited 2009-08-08 13:24:48]


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User currently offlineN229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1937 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5597 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 6):
Quoting Varigb707 (Thread starter):
I've owned this notebook for 5 years. Runs good and all.

Seems to me, you've answered your own question. I've always been a big subscriber to the belief, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". You've apparently had very good results with a PC and Windows, why would you even consider changing to Apple/Mac?

Or do what I did. I love my five-year-old Dell laptop--and partly because I HATE widescreens for word processing, reading pdfs, etc. (it's not about pixels, it's about actual size of the letters--4:3 rocks and I'd have to get a 17-inch screen to get the same height as my 14-inch 4:3...).

The original 80G hard drive was full. I bought a new 250 gig hard drive from new egg, another gigabyte of ram, and when I installed my old XP system on the new drive, I was careful to avoid all bloatware, etc. Now with 2G of RAM, my five-year-old boots and runs well over twice as fast as my wife's new Vista machine. All for about $120.

When some manufacturer goes back to offering a 4:3 model, they'll get my business immediately. Since that is unlikely, I may well switch to mac next time to avoid the newer Windows systems, but I'm planning to enjoy my old machine for another few years first!

[Edited 2009-08-08 14:06:32]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21412 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5595 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
This is pretty painless to do on the mac, too:

sudo rm -r /

I think you'll find your pain quite substantial once you've found someone who'd do what you're telling him...!  mischievous 


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5588 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
Having adapted to a chronic pain doesn't mean it's not a relief when that pain stops altogether.

Give it a rest, will you? Geez, are you getting a commission to talk up Apple or what? How does "I've owned this notebook for 5 years. Runs good and all." translate to someone having adapted to a chronic pain???

Oh, and here's some interesting reading for you:

http://www.crn.com/security/21910032...d=RJZZ1WEGG11SPQE1GHPCKHWATMY32JVN

Apple Patch Fixes 18 Flaws In Mac OS X

By Stefanie Hoffman, ChannelWeb

2:20 PM EDT Thu. Aug. 06, 2009
Apple (NSDQ:AAPL) released a security update Wednesday, repairing 18 holes in its Mac OS X operating system, including several critical imaging errors that enabled hackers to take over victims' computers when they view a maliciously crafted image file.

The Apple update, which upgrades the Mac OS X platform to 10.5.8, repaired an array of imaging flaws, as well as vulnerabilities affecting the Safari Web browser. The flaws paved the way for hackers to launch malicious code remotely on users' computers.


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5588 times:
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As a Mac switcher this year, all I can say is: switch to Mac and you'll never buy a Windows PC ever again. I promise you.

From a user's perspective, the Mac is light years ahead of Windows for the very simple reason of it works. I have never had a problem and computing is bliss!

I feel like I've just completed Alcoholics Anonymous or something...  Wink



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User currently offlineAustinAirport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5564 times:



Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 12):
http://www.crn.com/security/21910032...d=RJZZ1WEGG11SPQE1GHPCKHWATMY32JVN

Apple Patch Fixes 18 Flaws In Mac OS X

By Stefanie Hoffman, ChannelWeb

2:20 PM EDT Thu. Aug. 06, 2009
Apple (NSDQ:AAPL) released a security update Wednesday, repairing 18 holes in its Mac OS X operating system, including several critical imaging errors that enabled hackers to take over victims' computers when they view a maliciously crafted image file.

The Apple update, which upgrades the Mac OS X platform to 10.5.8, repaired an array of imaging flaws, as well as vulnerabilities affecting the Safari Web browser. The flaws paved the way for hackers to launch malicious code remotely on users' computers.

Honestly, all platforms have security flaws, some more than others (Windows)  Big grin
Doesn't Apple base there OS's on the Linux Kernel? JW. I thought I heard something like that.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21412 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5557 times:



Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 14):
Honestly, all platforms have security flaws, some more than others (Windows)

Indeed. It is standard practice on any system to release security updates with some regularity.

There's a difference between theoretical flaws and actual exploits waiting "in the wild" to attack.

Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 14):
Doesn't Apple base there OS's on the Linux Kernel? JW. I thought I heard something like that.

No, the OS X kernel has nothing to do with Linux. OS X is a Unix (an officially certified one, at that) similar to Linux, but the kernels are very different. (OS X uses a Mach kernel with a BSD personality layer on top - it is a unique combination.)


User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5554 times:

If Windows is working for you stick with it. I've been using XP for the last 6 years without any issues.

Quoting Gofly (Reply 13):
From a user's perspective, the Mac is light years ahead of Windows for the very simple reason of it works.

If it 'just works' then why does a website called 'Macfixit' exist? Obviously the whole 'it just works' argument is BS because it doesn't. It also has problems like any other computer.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 7):
Having adapted to a chronic pain doesn't mean it's not a relief when that pain stops altogether.

The responses from most switchers speak for themselves in that regard.




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User currently offlineAustinAirport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5546 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
No, the OS X kernel has nothing to do with Linux. OS X is a Unix (an officially certified one, at that) similar to Linux, but the kernels are very different. (OS X uses a Mach kernel with a BSD personality layer on top - it is a unique combination.)

Ahhhh! Thanks for clarifying.  Smile
I think I was thinking Unix, however saying Linux. My bad. LOL.
I kinda think Windows became a victim of its own success. Meaning that with every new release the consumer expected perfection.
And that's why I feel that Apple is having its little moment in the sun.
Will it suffer the same fate as Microsoft? Doubtful. As long as they play the game right..
Just really wish Apple would go Open Source, I'd be sold.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21412 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5528 times:



Quoting AustinAirport (Reply 17):
Just really wish Apple would go Open Source, I'd be sold.

Actually, the OS X kernel xnu is open source and is publicized in the Darwin project. You can look at the sources online if you want: Open Source - Releases

Apple's WebKit browser engine remains an open source project which had originally started as KHTML in the OSS community before Apple massively expanded it and which now powers quite a number of non-Apple browsers as well (Chrome, for instance).

There are various other open source projects Apple maintains or has contributed to (the CUPS printing service, launchd, gcc, ...).

And, of course, Mac OS X comes with a large number of open source tools from the GNU family which makes up most of the command-line environment in most contemporary Unix(oid) systems. These tools are the main reason why you can use Mac OS X like almost any other Unix system on the command line and why many useful features are compatible across many Unix systems.

I actually use my Macs to develop software which is then deployed under Linux – OS X is a pretty good member of the Unix family.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5513 times:



Quoting Klaus (Reply 11):
I think you'll find your pain quite substantial once you've found someone who'd do what you're telling him...!   

Shouldn't be hard. I can bet that 90+% of Mac users have never seen a Unix shell, let alone what that command does.

With simplicity comes ignorance.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21412 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 5509 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
Shouldn't be hard. I can bet that 90+% of Mac users have never seen a Unix shell, let alone what that command does.

With simplicity comes ignorance.

The thing is that hardly any Mac users ever need to see the command line.

"Ignorance" as you choose to call it for most "civilian" users is simply the freedom of staying in control of your computer with little if any effort and no need to mess around with the inner mechanisms. (The horrendous registry which plagues users directly or indirectly under Windows is fortunately not present on a Mac – its functions are fulfilled by other mechanisms which are more stable and easier to maintain.)

That more and more IT professionals are using Macs precisely because of the powerful infrastructure under the hood merely completes the point: I as a relatively experienced developer can mess around with the internals, but as a user at the same time I enjoy not being forced to do that more than actually necessary.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5490 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
its functions are fulfilled by other mechanisms which are more stable and easier to maintain.)

The problem of users that switch to Mac to begin with because they disliked their PC, is they rarely maintained their Windows PC to begin with. They load lots of crap onto it, don't use an anti-virus, don't use a firewall, browse shady sites, install whatever the hell they can get their hands on, and wonder why they have such a horrible time using their system. I've seen people with upwards of 15(!) toolbars in their browsers who can barely see a web page because they install anything and everything that has a toolbar installation attached to it. Yet, according to you, all those toolbars would be MS's fault for allowing 3rd party plugins into the browser to begin with. Baloney!

[Edited 2009-08-08 19:38:37]


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User currently offlineAustinAirport From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5469 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 21):
Baloney!

Do you mean Bologna?  Big grin

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 21):
The problem of users that switch to Mac to begin with because they disliked their PC, is they rarely maintained their Windows PC to begin with. They load lots of crap onto it, don't use an anti-virus, don't use a firewall, browse shady sites, install whatever the hell they can get their hands on, and wonder why they have such a horrible time using their system.

Amen!
They dont know the magic of AVG Free, CCleaner, and other awesome freewares, designed to keep your system running at full capacity.
Plus, they never empty there recycle bin, the NEVER defrag their HD, and the usually enjoy installing spyware!
 Smile



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User currently offlineAKiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 603 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5466 times:



Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 21):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 20):
its functions are fulfilled by other mechanisms which are more stable and easier to maintain.)

The problem of users that switch to Mac to begin with because they disliked their PC, is they rarely maintained their Windows PC to begin with. They load lots of crap onto it, don't use an anti-virus, don't use a firewall, browse shady sites, install whatever the hell they can get their hands on, and wonder why they have such a horrible time using their system. I've seen people with upwards of 15(!) toolbars in their browsers who can barely see a web page because they install anything and everything that has a toolbar installation attached to it. Yet, according to you, all those toolbars would be MS's fault for allowing 3rd party plugins into the browser to begin with. Baloney!

This may be true for some, but not all. I recently switched to mac for college, after having grown up with 98/Me(UGH!)/XP all my life. I started using computers when I was 5 (have a telecom engineer as a father, what do you expect?) so I def. know how to maintain them. I still have loved the switch and would not go back for anything. But I do recognize that different systems have advantages for different people. I just find that the everyday experience with OS X is better; things just work. Now I have to credit Windows, they make a relatively stable OS for the incredibly wide range of hardware it must work on. Windows doesn't have the luxury of both making the hardware and software, which allows apple to make things that much more efficient and well put together. It doesn't change the fact that imo, apple just delivers a superior product. Plus with Bootcamp and VMWare/Parallels, what is really the disadvantage sans price?



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User currently offlinePhoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5460 times:

I've mentioned this before, but ah what the heck:

http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Funny/Mac_vs_PC.jpg


Choice is yours.



Life only makes sense when you look at it backwards.
25 Ipodguy7 : Apple for sure! Get the new MacBook Pro its great!
26 Klaus : It beautifully illustrates the prejudices many people have who've never touched a Mac. Reality is quite different, however, not least evidenced by th
27 Superfly : I live in the 'Mecca' of Apple/MacIntosh and even I'll tell you to stick with Microsoft and avoid Apple at ALL COST! Apples are cute little Fisher Pr
28 Post contains images Klaus : Come on, not everybody shares your fascination with the 1970s and their kind of technology...!
29 Superfly : True. Apple is the computer from the 70s. Most of us in our age group started out with Apple when we were kids back in the 70s & early 80s. Now that
30 Post contains images Klaus : In the sense that "grownup" stuff differs from "kid" stuff in that it has to be compromised, tedious, disillusioning and frustrating? Maybe it's just
31 AKiss20 : I have to say, for people who claim to be grownups, I see a lot of puerile "Mine is better than yours" back and forth here. Why do people have to be s
32 AirPacific747 : Ah relax... I've owned a MAC for two years now, and it's great but Windows XP is very good too I think, and I could easily see myself buying a Window
33 Klaus : I don't. Hence my qualifications in the recommendations I make. But sheer prejudices with no basis in experience or actual knowledge don't serve anyb
34 AKiss20 : I didn't mean to imply that everyone who posted in the thread has taken it that far, and I apologize if it sounded like that. I was more speaking to
35 Klaus : No problem.
36 Itsjustme : One thing I have noticed about Mac users compared to PC users: Mac users have a strong tendency to bash PC/Microsoft in order to talk up their compute
37 Klaus : Mostly it is due to most Mac users being former Windows PC users or having first-hand experience with Windows PCs who know what they're talking about
38 Itsjustme : No, of course it isn't. I am leaning toward, perhaps Mac/Apple users are more passionate about their computers than PC users. I am probably guilty of
39 AustinAirport : Ha. I have a friend who has a Mac, and the only the thing he ever talks about is how he can make his computer speak..... WOW! I'm so jealous. Now let
40 Gift4tbone : I don't normally post in the non-aviation forum. But this is a topic I feel very strongly about, hopefully I can give you my 2 cents without coming ac
41 Post contains links and images Klaus : No, they don't. But there are companies that do: http://www.smalldog.com/rentals http://computerrentals.com/Which_Mac_Should_I_Rent.php http://comput
42 Post contains images Klaus : Chalk up one more for the "I don't know it, but I still advise against it" camp... Ask yourself: Is that really good advice? Especially in view of a
43 Itsjustme : I have a feeling I am being lumped into that "I don't know it, but I still advise against it" camp. If so, you're wrong. I don't know anything about
44 Klaus : Why, if you don't know anything about the Lexus?
45 AirPacific747 : True. As I've said I have owned a Mac for almost two years now, but I am not one of those that swear to Mac. I actually think I prefer Windows, so no
46 Itsjustme : For precisely that reason. I don't know anything about the Lexus but in the scenario I have presented, I DO know that my friend has owned a Camry for
47 Goldenshield : I think I can reword that as: Person X owns a Camry, and may or may not love his Camry. He wants a new car, and would prefer a new Camry, but looks a
48 Klaus : To both of you: When I'm being asked an "A or B?" question, I either know both A and B and then I can give actual advice in one or the other directio
49 Czbbflier : There are two different kinds of ignorance: 1. You know what you don't know. 2. You don't know what you don't know. The first kind implies an intelle
50 Springbok747 : The bottom line is that Macs are wayy overpriced. Its similar to the Alienware brand..where the laptop is basically similar to a Dell XPS but twice th
51 Mt99 : I wont comment on specs on paper.. but how much do value not having to worry about spyware and viruses? To me it came down to that really. My BF boug
52 Springbok747 : Yes, Windows gets viruses and other crap. But guess what..it all depends on how you treat your machine. I've been using my XP powered Dell laptop for
53 Mt99 : Do you pay a yearly subscription for anti-virus? Ill take ur word for it - but i honestly do not have the time to "baby" my computer. To me that is w
54 RayChuang : The Mac line are very good but I hate the following things about them: 1) They're pretty expensive machines. 2) Apple needs to get a clue on properly
55 Post contains links Springbok747 : 5 years cost $50, but there are plenty of free anti-viruses out there. I don't 'baby' my computer (whatever do you mean by that) - far from it actual
56 Mt99 : Well i use my work computer the way its meant to be used too - and it sucks more and more each day. Then don't. I am just sharing MY experiences - it
57 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Ah good to see yet another PC vs Mac flamefest I'll raise you this: These pics Phoenix9 and I posted say a lot about how I feel about Macs. I've tinke
58 Lufthansa411 : As I person who switched to a Mac before college a couple of years ago, I can honestly say that I am glad I did. However, it depends on how you are us
59 Goldenshield : IE prompts you for a download location each and every time. Firefox and Chrome both have a download folder in your document folder, and you can even
60 Springbok747 : Exactly. All the people I know who have macs (very few BTW) bought them because they were getting a free ipod with it (the back to school/college dea
61 Qantasistheway : We have about 4 Macs in the house and they are absolutely great! We have a 24 inch desktop, 15 inch MacBook Pro and a MacBook, and I don't understand
62 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Stupid forums anyways this pic was supposed to show up:
63 Itsjustme : While the desire may be present, the financial means to fulfill that desire may not exist. Just because one doesn't experiment, doesn't translate to
64 Bhill : Do you wish to be broke or productive? If the latter, get the PC. I have been using Win7 for months now...no problem....
65 Springbok747 : All examples of blind consumerism. An ipod is nothing more than a hard disk that can play music. And the iphone...what is it...its an "internet commu
66 PC12Fan : Oh dear God... 18?!? It is a machine after all. True, I'm just curious as to what the ratio is. Understood. I spent that said 1000+ on mine two years
67 Davehammer : I've owned and used both and had mixed experiences with both. Weight up what you want to do with it, factor in cost and buy what you think is best. I'
68 Qantasistheway : Clearly you haven't gotten used to the keyboard because after a while it is much easier to use and unlike the E70 you don't have to triple your phone
69 Itsjustme : Careful with the generalizations. The only Apple product I've ever owned is the iPod mini (4GB). While I didn't care for the fact that the battery li
70 Czbbflier : Yes, by not getting a Mac, you ARE holding up the progression of the human race. If you can't afford one, well that's OK- just don't forget that one
71 Klaus : Absolutely every battery's life is "limited"! It is inherent in the chemical technology being used! Apple doesn't use special batteries with extra sh
72 T1210s : Are you actually Steve jobs.Name one other company that installs battery's that you cant replace yourself without invalidating the warranty. And sinc
73 Post contains images Klaus : Well, it is the difference between a simple machine with which you can "get by somehow" and a really polished machine that's built to be as easy to u
74 Goldenshield : As far as the iPod, I do have to agree with Klaus: the battery technology is as good as it gets right now, but the amount of battery life you have is
75 NQYGuy : I love my Mac and will never return to Windows for my main PC use. If I were to get into gaming or anything, perhaps I'd get a Windows Machine- but ju
76 Itsjustme : Hmmmm, listed occupation is "IT Development" and we get this rambling post trying to convince us why the Mac is better than even sliced bread. Any be
77 Post contains images Klaus : Well, then you lose that bet. I simply use Macs to develop hardware and software for various platforms, most notably for Linux (very convenient becau
78 Phoenix9 : Maybe Mac users have low satisfaction threshold or suffer from premature satisfaction
79 Post contains images Klaus : Yes, that could be suspected as a theoretical possibility. But given the circumstances, is it really plausible that the same people who chafed at Win
80 FLY2HMO : I understand your point. As a gamer and a DIY system builder though, Macs just don't appeal to me. I will say though if I'm ever in the market for a
81 Continental : Simple: if you are going to use the computer for simple things such as word processing, browsing the internet, photos, etc. then get a PC. They are so
82 Post contains images Klaus : Perfectly understandable. Apple completely ignores this particular segment of the market, and people in that segment ignore them right back. Also und
83 Asturias : What can I say? I recommend the Macintosh. You can run Windows on it anyway if you so please. The Mac is a safe choice and a pretty damn good one too.
84 FLY2HMO : bingo I'm not calling you guys ignorant, I'm calling those that bought Macs for the sole reason of them being trendy, cool, hip, and what have you no
85 AustinAirport : Well.. This is my final argument. Windows. The gem of my love/hate relationship. I love it in the sense that, I've used it since I was four. Hate it t
86 Itsjustme : Just curious, did you mean to say "Then PCs are for you"? If someone just needs "something simple to just get up and go" why on Earth would they opt
87 AustinAirport : My grandmother doesn't know her way around a computer very well. She bought a computer that was loaded with Vista (64 Bit). I would recommend a Mac f
88 AirPacific747 : lol I feel with you! :P My grandmother actually is very good with a Windows computer, but if for example her wireless network is causing problems the
89 Itsjustme : Admittedly, I've had limited experience with Mac (but I HAVE tried it). If I remember correctly, doesn't Mac rely more on Icons to navigate than text
90 AeroWesty : My office issued me an HP/Compaq laptop with WinXP installed on it, then IT upgraded me to Vista a few months back. We have limitations for how much
91 AustinAirport : It just seems aired a little more towards the elderly, and the ones fed up with Windows UI. Wow! ha. My grandmother the other day called, and she wan
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