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Ahmadinejad's Police Raping Women And Men  
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10748 posts, RR: 9
Posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2406 times:

Confirmed by Iran police chief: Ahmadinedchads hordes are rapists. Even a prison chief has been fired already.

http://de.news.yahoo.com/26/20090810...n-vergewaltigung-im-g-4860fce.html

Wonder what the Mullahs say about their loyal rapist followers!

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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting NA (Thread starter):
Confirmed by Iran police chief: Ahmadinedchads hordes are rapists. Even a prison chief has been fired already.

http://de.news.yahoo.com/26/20090810...n-vergewaltigung-im-g-4860fce.html

Wonder what the Mullahs say about their loyal rapist followers!

Any link in english? I think this is a big deal because muslims are very against this kind of atrocious behavior. I hope Ahmadinejad will handle the situation, just as how he handle the protestors, or will he just slap them on the wrist and let them off because they work for him. Obama is right, the panic shown by Iran's gov't shows that they are afraid of their own people and what they're capable of. Then in fine Iranian/NK style they blame the U.S. for helping to incite the riots.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6758 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2337 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 1):
Any link in english?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8192660.stm

A defeated opposition candidate in Iran's presidential election has called for an investigation into allegations some protesters were raped in prison.

In a letter to former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, Mehdi Karroubi said senior officials had informed him of the "shameful behaviour" taking place.

Mr Karroubi wrote that both male and female detainees had been raped, with some suffering serious injuries.


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/mi...st/2009/08/200981083847122429.html

Mehdi Karroubi said in a letter, made public on Monday, that a number of detainees had claimed that several women and men, arrested amid violent demonstrations, were repeatedly abused by their jailers.

"A number of detainees have said that some female detainees have been raped savagely," Karroubi said in the letter to Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, an influential religious leader and former president.

"Young boys held in detention have also been savagely raped," he said, adding they were suffering from depression and serious physical harm after the alleged attacks.


Sadly, nothing new though.

http://www.iranfocus.com/en/human-ri...s/rape-torture-and-lies-01770.html

STOCKHOLM - Canadian photojournalist Zahra Kazemi was savagely beaten, tortured and raped while in Iranian custody in 2003, according to an emergency-room doctor who examined her before she died.

http://www.iranfocus.com/en/women/yo...an-prison-after-torture-17909.html

There have been reports that prison guards in the Protection and Security Department and solitary department rape female prisoners as a means of torturing them. Female prisoners are forced to stay in solitary cells for more than three months. Tehrani was believed to be one of the women who have been subjected to such actions.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

They are thugs in uniform. A few months ago there was an article on the BBC about the execution of a young woman in Teheran jail (don´t know what crime she had committed though), where a high court ordered a stay and the jailers hanged her anyway, saying that they don´t care what a court of law says.

Jan


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

No surprise for me. In fact, the whole Iranian justice system is corrupt itself. I remember this story of a 16 year old girl, who was raped by someone. That girl, instead of testifying against the rapist in court and receiving justice for the crime commited to her, was actually sentenced to death for adultery IIRC, even though what happened was never consensual. The rapist got away of course.

And then, let's not forget that gay people, if caught by the authorities, get hanged for being gay. We should not just look at the fact that Mahmoud's hords are nothing else than fanatics who abuse (and probably kill) for shits and giggles, we also have to look at how corrupt the Iranian justice system is, despite people from law enforcement and other government agencies filing a complaint about it with Rafsanjani.


User currently offlineDc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Hmmm... Iran and the US should be friends after all.

Abu Ghraib, then this. It's all torture. Severity may differ, but in the end... It's all bad. Just goes to show that people are the same everywhere. Race, political beliefs, religious beliefs... Those make an infinitesimal difference in the grand scheme of things.


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2151 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 1):
I think this is a big deal because muslims are very against this kind of atrocious behavior.

Um... like anyone is for it.


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

I know some (maybe most) of us don't like Mr. Ahmadinejad. However, it was not him who raped the detainees nor (I believe) it was his order to rape them. Thus, there's no need to put the Iranian president's name in the title of this thread. If some German prison guards rape some prisoners, is it appropriate if we write "Angela Merkel's Prison Guards Rape Prisoners"?

User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting Dc9northwest (Reply 5):
Abu Ghraib, then this. It's all torture. Severity may differ, but in the end... It's all bad. Just goes to show that people are the same everywhere. Race, political beliefs, religious beliefs... Those make an infinitesimal difference in the grand scheme of things.

Last time I checked, the personnel that tortured prisoners in Abu Ghraib were prosecuted. In Iran, that kind of abuse seems to be the acceptable norm for the religious police. To me that is a huge difference.



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting TheCol (Reply 8):
In Iran, that kind of abuse seems to be the acceptable norm for the religious police. To me that is a huge difference.

Have you read the news in BBC website (the link is in the 2nd reply of this thread)?

Quote:
On Thursday, police confirmed serious rights violations had taken place at the Kahrizak detention centre, where most of those arrested at the protests were sent.

The head of Kahrizak was sacked and jailed on Sunday along with three of his guards, who were found to have beaten detainees.

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei ordered the closure of the centre in July, because it had failed to "preserve the rights of detainees". Police officials have admitted that some of those held since June might have been tortured.



User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 9):

What's your point?

You can't possibly be arguing in favor of Iran over an obvious double standard in their justice system, right?

[Edited 2009-08-10 23:42:58]


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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

My point is, even in Iran, that kind of abuse is not acceptable.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 10):
an obvious double standard in their justice system

Talking about double standard ... Some western countries do have double standards in regard of their foreign policies.



[Edited 2009-08-11 00:31:10]

User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10748 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 7):
I know some (maybe most) of us don't like Mr. Ahmadinejad. However, it was not him who raped the detainees nor (I believe) it was his order to rape them.

But he´s the one who set up the "culture" that led to it. He paved the way for them. And he surely ordered severe punishment, whatever his thugs made out of it. Hitler, a famous antisemite like Ahmadinejad, also did not order the tortures committed by his camp-SS directly, he paved the way. The scale is different, sure, but in the end similar things happen.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 7):
If some German prison guards rape some prisoners, is it appropriate if we write "Angela Merkel's Prison Guards Rape Prisoners"

Ridiculous and false comparison as opposed to Iran German guards can be sure that they´ll be severely punished. Iran has a semi-fascist religious regime, Germany a democracy.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14030 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Ok, from what I´ve heard, there exists a conflict between the regular career police officers and Ahmedinejad´s militia units made up of ex-revolutionary guards who have been used as auxiliary police officers in a similar way as Nazi SA stormtroopers (an armed militia of the Nazi party) have been made auxiliary police officers in 1933 in Germany. Theyused to run private jails (the precursor of the concentration camps) and didn´t care much for law and order as long as Hitler´s orders were followed.

I even see another similarity to early Nazi Germany: Ahmedinejad´s clientele are mainly dissatisfied ex-revolutionary guards, often veterans of the Iraq-Iran war and the revolution (Ahmedinejad was one of them as well), who later felt sidelined by the fat cat Mullahs around e.g. Rhafsandjani and demand now a place at the gravy pots. In fact Ahmedinejad has put a lot of them into influential positions.
Hitler was the same for many German (and Austrian) WW1 veterans. He was a WW1 soldier himself and got his earlysupport mainly from dissatisfied WW1 veterans, who got stuck in unemployment.


Jan


User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting NA (Reply 12):
But he´s the one who set up the "culture" that led to it. He paved the way for them. And he surely ordered severe punishment, whatever his thugs made out of it.

Do you have any proof to back up your accusation? Prison abuses happen anywhere. Even in western countries. (Just use the word "prison abuse" in Google.)

Quoting NA (Reply 12):
Ridiculous and false comparison as opposed to Iran German guards can be sure that they´ll be severely punished. Iran has a semi-fascist religious regime, Germany a democracy.

You missed my point. I didn't write about political ideologies of Iran or German. What I wrote is a question asking whether it is necessary to put Ahmadinejad's name in this thread title. Why didn't just write "Iranian Police Rape Detainees"?

I believe that people don't hate Ahmadinejad because of the way he rules his country. They hate him because of his controversial statement about the holocaust and Iran defiance of western countries' demand to stop its nuclear program. There are countries that are ruled by dictators far worse than Ahmadinejad. However the west doesn't give a damn about them as long as their governments comply western interests.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8165 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting Afterburner (Reply 14):
There are countries that are ruled by dictators far worse than Ahmadinejad. However the west doesn't give a damn about them as long as their governments comply western interests.

Indeed there are, but that doesn't make the Iranian regime look any better by comparison given the richness of its people and their potential. Another key difference is that in the west, we have regular public debate about what our country's "interests" are or should be. That doesn't necessarily mean we can control what happens, but we can certainly try.

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 14):
They hate him because of his controversial statement about the holocaust and Iran defiance of western countries' demand to stop its nuclear program.

That should be re-worded to his "controversial and FACTUALLY INCORRECT statement about the Holocaust"...



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2141 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 15):
That should be re-worded to his "controversial and FACTUALLY INCORRECT statement about the Holocaust"...

C'mon, we all know that.  Smile


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