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Nancy Pelosi: Should She Stay Or Go?  
User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7186 posts, RR: 86
Posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
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Seems like everytime you turn around Pelosi has her hand in the cookie jar and is firing off some ludacris statement to try and cover up another mess. She is hurting her team's chances of retaining seats in Congress. She's doing her best to lay the foundation for another election a la 1994. Trent Lott anyone? I think she is affecting Obama's polls negatively.

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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2367 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Seems like everytime you turn around Pelosi has her hand in the cookie jar and is firing off some ludacris statement to try and cover up another mess. She is hurting her team's chances of retaining seats in Congress. She's doing her best to lay the foundation for another election a la 1994. Trent Lott anyone? I think she is affecting Obama's polls negatively.

First of all, the word is spelled "ludicrous." "Ludacris" is the rapper. And while Pelosi certainly has room to improve, I think the main reason for the negativity directed at her is her visibility. Because the House is so big, it's hard to cast the entire group as the enemy--singling out Pelosi as the target of one's anger makes it much easier. At the end of the day, her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports, and as long as she does that I don't have much objection to her.

Harry Reid, on the other hand, needs to either grow a spine or step down as Majority Leader.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13029 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

This will be a decision of the voters in their district. Congressmembers rarely lose re-elections unless they get caught doing something really wrong. She is in a very liberal and therefore 'safe' district. Perhaps the Demos in Congress needs to choose someone from a more moderate district to be their leader, someone more careful in their choice of words so thay can't be taken out of context by opponents, who isn't rich, who will encourage going after the criminal acts of the GWB Administration, and related issues.

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3866 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

I personally think she should go. I doubt that the voters of California (the ones whose opinions actually matter on this issue), however, agree with me.

Then again, I also think that the vast majority of Congressmen should be replaced, and while most of America seems to agree with that sentiment (seeing as how low the Congress' approval rating is), the reality is that most are satisfied with the job that their personal representative is doing, which means that we are effectively stuck with this group for the foreseeable future.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Heh...total tongue in cheek here....but I don't think SFO would take her back...so we're stuck with her. Big grin

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2313 times:



Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
ludacris

I believe he prefers Chris "Ludacris" Bridges  duck 


User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7186 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2301 times:
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Quoting SW733 (Reply 5):
I believe he prefers Chris "Ludacris" Bridges

Haha! It was 4am and I was reading another episode of Pelosigate when I posted.

 bigthumbsup 

Maybe when they drum her out of the Senate, she'll move to KC and run for governor!

 duck 


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2290 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
She is in a very liberal and therefore 'safe' district.

And she knows it. And she doesn't care what you think.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090727/pl_politico/25445

"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is one of the most despised political figures in the country.
And, frankly, she doesn’t give a damn.
“No, I don’t care,” Pelosi told POLITICO last Thursday, laughing heartily as she walked beneath the Capitol dome and plunged into a crowd of tourists.
Mention of the “trust” question halted the click-clack of Pelosi’s heels against Rotunda marble, and she turned to face the reporter who posed the question.
“I don’t know about ‘trust’ — I think I’m trusted,” she said.
“I certainly want to be trusted. I’m not particularly concerned if I’m liked.” "


Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
who will encourage going after the criminal acts of the GWB Administration, and related issues.

Every poll taken has shown that to be a non starter and most politicians know that. This is the democratic party that ran on ending funding for the Iraq and then turned around and funded it so good luck with that.

As long as she watches her back and keeps her cronies happy, she stays.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20355 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Stay. She's hot.

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 stirthepot 



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11200 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

Is this question any different from asking whether any other congressman from a district not your own should stay or go? Should Boener stay or go? Should Barney Frank stay or go? If the metric were "do I personally like him or her" then that would be one thing. You would actually be able to give an answer to that question. But it's not - the only ones that can determine if Pelosi stays or goes are the people of San Francisco.

Besides: we all know that she's only hated out of jealousy.  stirthepot 



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20355 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2271 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 9):
the only ones that can determine if Pelosi stays or goes are the people of San Francisco.

It seems as if the linked article suggests that Pelosi should "step down", in context of her role as Speaker of the House. In that case it would be the party members who would decide her fate.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11200 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2258 times:



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
It seems as if the linked article suggests that Pelosi should "step down", in context of her role as Speaker of the House. In that case it would be the party members who would decide her fate.

Well that would be pointless. These people that hate her don't hate *her* per se, they hate the person that is the Democrat Speaker of the House, and the Democrat Majority Leader. Whoever that person is or becomes, those that are filled with hate will find him or her vile because of exactly one reason: he or she is a Democrat, and to them, Democrats, especially those with high power, are evil.

Ask one of them to detail exactly what it is about them they hate, and you'll just hear a bunch of labels. "Liberal." "Socialist." "Leftie." Most people do not have any substantive criticisms; they merely parrot those talking points issued by their leaders, Rush, Hannity, etc.

(And this comes from someone who does not like Pelosi one bit!)



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20355 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2252 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
Ask one of them to detail exactly what it is about them they hate, and you'll just hear a bunch of labels. "Liberal." "Socialist." "Leftie." Most people do not have any substantive criticisms; they merely parrot those talking points issued by their leaders, Rush, Hannity, etc.

This is entirely out of context to the linked article, penned by a self-described "Libertarian". Nowhere in the article is there a message of "hate" whatsoever, simply an argument regarding what the author perceived as an act of "hustling" on the part of Pelosi regarding the health care debate. The author ribs members of all parties, not Democrats specifically. She was even quite complementary towards the President in her opening paragraph, and says she continues to support him.

I didn't see anywhere in the article where the Obama-voting Libertarian randomly labeled Democrats, as you claim, as "Liberal", "Socialist", or "Leftie"? (We are discussing the premise of the article, are we not? I'll be back this evening to find out or not.)



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8785 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2249 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
These people that hate her don't hate *her* per se, they hate the person that is the Democrat Speaker of the House, and the Democrat Majority Leader

Oh, crap. I despise Pelosi. I did not despise Tom Foley, Tip O'Niell, or Jim Wright (I really didn't like Wright, but nowhere near my dislike for Pelosi).

As much as you would like to paint me as a radical rightwinger who hates all democrats, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don't.

But Nancy Pelosi is an exception, along with Barney Frank. I hate them because of their outrageous lies, distortions, obfuscations and self-serving BS that they could never get away with if it weren't for their being based in districts that are 90% democrat - as long as they show up, they'll get reelected. This is why term limits is a good idea.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2243 times:



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Stay. She's hot.

But Larry she isn't chubby! I have to admit even though I think she is evil, far left and nuts she is kind of hot. In fact I wouldn't mind throwing Boxer a shag either but they all have to leave politics. Take Reid with them!


User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2238 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Oh, crap. I despise Pelosi. I did not despise Tom Foley, Tip O'Niell, or Jim Wright (I really didn't like Wright, but nowhere near my dislike for Pelosi).

As much as you would like to paint me as a radical rightwinger who hates all democrats, I'm sorry to disappoint you. I don't

Have to agree with that statement. There just aren't any great statesmen in Congress anymore.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12331 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2238 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
Because the House is so big, it's hard to cast the entire group as the enemy--singling out Pelosi as the target of one's anger makes it much easier.

Yes, it reminds me of how Newt Gingrich represented everything evil about Congress during his reign. I also recall a lot of attention focused on Tip O'Neil but it wasn't as vociferous as the venom we see spewed at Pelosi.

I suppose it's a sign that Obama is so popular that they can't take shots at him, so they use Pelosi as a proxy.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17324 posts, RR: 46
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2231 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
These people that hate her don't hate *her* per se, they hate the person that is the Democrat Speaker of the House,

No, I depise her--actually her. She is all that is wrong with politics and a truly poisonous succubus.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets87 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

David Faharety gave his opinion on what to do with Pelosi.  rotfl 

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24796 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Well I certainly wont vote for her, but in leftist leaning state like California I'm not sure how much my vote matters.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21504 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2216 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
At the end of the day, her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports, and as long as she does that I don't have much objection to her.

But she's not doing that job. She's writing legislation and expecting Obama to sign it, regardless of whether it's really what he's proposing or not. That doesn't help him, and it doesn't help the Democrats.

Yes, she needs to go.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSeb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11520 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

I don't even need to read this thread. In fact, I have not. I can tell you EXACTLY what everyone will say. Anyone who is a staunch FOX news/Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/O'Reilly supporter will say "Yes, she needs to go because she is evil and the devil encarnate because she is a socialist and an elitist." Everyone else will have varying opinions from "I don't care for her policies" to "keep her forever and ever." Those people will be shouted down as elitists and socialists and the devil encarnate by FOX watchers.

Do I thinks she should stay? As an elitist, socialist, and devil encarnate, I don't care one way or the other. As a speech giver, I don't think her voice is all that effective. Listening to her on the radio, she sounds okay. But, just okay. The words of her (or anyone else from the Democratic party) will be twisted around to fit whatever the right wants to be said. They will define what "is" is and what "the" is until no one wants to debate anymore until the right is in power again left to try to bloat the government and spend with no regard for anyone or anything. Should she stay? IMO, it matters not to me. I can take or leave her. But, I know exactly what will happen.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2202 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
while Pelosi certainly has room to improve, I think the main reason for the negativity directed at her is her visibility. Because the House is so big, it's hard to cast the entire group as the enemy--singling out Pelosi as the target of one's anger makes it much easier. At the end of the day, her job is to deliver 218 votes for the legislation Obama supports, and as long as she does that I don't have much objection to her.

Partly correct. She loves being in from of a camera. Pelosi is only one of many Congresspeople that have the country so upset with Congress, Barney Frank is another, so is Murther. Her biggest problem is her mouth, and the lies that come out of it, and the insults of the American people. But repubs also have some on the list. This is not a unique problem with the dems.

The 2010 election will return Pelosi to Congress. depending on if it is a repub house or a dem house is another thing. Even I think the dems will not reelect her as Speaker.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 1):
Harry Reid, on the other hand, needs to either grow a spine or step down as Majority Leader.

I agree, he is dull, boring, a lier, and inept.

Quoting Us330 (Reply 3):
I personally think she should go. I doubt that the voters of California (the ones whose opinions actually matter on this issue), however, agree with me.

Correct

Quoting Us330 (Reply 3):
I also think that the vast majority of Congressmen should be replaced

I agree.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
She's hot.

Now I have heard it all. You need to get new glasses, my friend.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11200 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2176 times:



Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
This is entirely out of context to the linked article, penned by a self-described "Libertarian".

So is this whole thread as the article is only tertiarily about Pelosi.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
Nowhere in the article is there a message of "hate" whatsoever, simply an argument regarding what the author perceived as an act of "hustling" on the part of Pelosi regarding the health care debate.

Again, this thread has taken a completely different tack from the article from the start since it did not talk about Pelosi much at all. Why is it that people hang on her every word then turn it into a source of anger? Because people hate Pelosi. My comment stands.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
I didn't see anywhere in the article where the Obama-voting Libertarian randomly labeled Democrats, as you claim, as "Liberal", "Socialist", or "Leftie"?

And I wasn't talking about Democrats writ large either.

BTW, I thought you had a lifetime ban or something. Welcome back.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
As much as you would like to paint me as a radical rightwinger who hates all democrats

Oh come now. I've disagreed with you frequently, but I've never called you a radical, have I?

I'm sorry if you folks feel I painted with too broad a brush. I do not mean to say that everyone conservative hates Pelosi, or even that everyone conservative that hates Pelosi hates her for reasons they cannot explain. But I do feel that a large proportion of the people who have an emotional, gutteral dislike for Pelosi cannot substantiate why they hate her.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 16):
I suppose it's a sign that Obama is so popular that they can't take shots at him, so they use Pelosi as a proxy.

Very true.

Quoting DXing (Reply 15):
There just aren't any great statesmen in Congress anymore.

I think Sestak has a chance, but he's about to get crushed in the Senate race. Otherwise, I agree. All demogogues.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
But Nancy Pelosi is an exception, along with Barney Frank. I hate them because of their outrageous lies, distortions, obfuscations and self-serving BS that they could never get away with if it weren't for their being based in districts that are 90% democrat - as long as they show up, they'll get reelected.

I agree. But I don't agree with your term limits idea. That's a sure-fire way to destroy institutional memory, and rid ourselves of the actual good men and women that may occasionally show up.

But using term limits to rid ourselves of Michele Bachmann would be great!



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2175 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
I think Sestak has a chance,

I think Moynihan, and Rayburn in the past 50 years.

Quoting D L X (Reply 23):
Otherwise, I agree. All demogogues.

People are going to start talking if you don't stop that.  wink 


25 AirframeAS : Can't stand the woman and her lies.... and her smile while she lies... my god.... I say she's gotta go. I hope the folks who voted her in the senate d
26 Cws818 : She is not in the Senate. She is the Speaker of the House of Representatives.
27 Superfly : Which would be me. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is my Congresswoman and I am proud that she represents my district and I will continue to support her.
28 Dragon6172 : Way to make her sound like the Presidents legislative bitch. Is it still 4am? She is not in the Senate.
29 Superfly : Totally unnecessary name calling. You may want to read up on what the job of the House Speaker is.
30 Dvk : Pelosi is certainly no worse than John Boehner or Mitch McConnell. Those two blowhards distort the facts in a blatantly partisan manner every chance t
31 D L X : At least Boehner makes me laugh. He is a funny man.
32 HOOB747 : I can't lie. I hope she stays. There is something oddly attractive about her. I realize she is closer to 70 than 60, but hey, no pain, no gain, right?
33 Carlisle : Hey some people have an appetite for those older/evil types. Sometimes the older/evil types are more hot. Personally, I am not into that but anything
34 PHLBOS : Don't be so sure of that; not all PA Democrats necessarily support Senator Specter. With Rep. Sestak officially running now, the 2010 Democratic prim
35 DocLightning : Wanna know a huge shocker? I'm not a huge fan, either. And NOBODY would acuse me of being: Ms. Pelosi keeps saying and doing the DUMBEST things. I me
36 Dragon6172 : According to official site for the Speaker of the House.... I suppose the last two could be twisted to mean... but I think that is a stretch. My poin
37 Post contains images Superfly : Ain't gonna happen. Her district is very safe. Even if we don't agree with her on some things, most here are happy that we have a representative exce
38 NIKV69 : My Lord you like overeweight chubs and discriminate against older women? Your nuts! I didn't think Boxer was that old but she is an attractive profes
39 Galapagapop : If your not going to read the thread, address any of the points trying to be made, or try conveying your opinion in a respectful well presented way t
40 Superfly : Yep. I like young chubbies. Wow. More power to you mate. I've seen her in person several times. Mostly at election victory parties and other Democrat
41 AeroWesty : Really? The subtitle to the linked article is: "Heads should roll -- beginning with Nancy Pelosi's!" That's funny. No one mentioned anything about ha
42 NIKV69 : And? I remember she was in a Curb your enthusiam episode and looked quite doable.
43 Mir : Now that's just downright disturbing.... -Mir
44 Alias1024 : It makes no sense for the Democrats to replace Pelosi as Speaker with a moderate Democrat. If a moderate is appointed to Speaker, the Republicans will
45 AeroWesty : Now that's an interesting point. In what ways do you feel Pelosi is less than accommodating to the President's agenda, or could do better to promote
46 Alias1024 : I guess that kinda came out wrong. Honestly, I don't follow politics enough to give specific examples, however I'm sure there have been disagreements
47 AirframeAS : Oops! I don't know why I said Senate... My bad! But still.....the chick has got to go!
48 Yellowstone : I see your point. If you look at their roles within the federal government, I agree with you that the Speaker of the House is independent from the Pr
49 Slider : She should go, absolutely. Into the Marianas Trench, never to return.
50 TVNWZ : Doesn't matter what we think. It only matters what the voters in her district think. Everything else is Blah, Blah, Blah.
51 Post contains images FXramper : I think I see her in there somewhere.
52 ER757 : As messed up and divided as Congress is right now, they should all go (with a few exceptions). Seems that since the mid 90's, all anyone in congress d
53 AGM100 : She will be enjoying a nice summer wine tasting party for all her friends .... of course it is going to be thrown at her 25 million dollar vineyard es
54 ER757 : And this makes her different from most other politicians how?
55 D L X : That hardly makes it all about Pelosi. Read the article, you'll see she's barely mentioned outside the subtitle. As for my making this thread about h
56 FlyDeltaJets87 : This thread reminds me of a joke. Snow White, Superman, and Pinnochio are walking along and they come across a town and they see a sign "Beauty Contes
57 Dreadnought : Yep. I don't think so. There are a number of decent Democrats to choose from who would get along well with everyone. The problem with Pelosi is based
58 D L X : I don't disagree with your assessment of Pelosi, but why is the same vitriol given to Reid then?
59 Dreadnought : He may not be quite as extreme in his political positions, but he is at least as corrupt if not more corrupt than Pelosi. Everyone knows of his real
60 ER757 : I'm with you 100% on this one Term limits are what's needed, but since it's these very entrenched members of congress that have to make that rule, th
61 D L X : If the constituents of a particular district or state want to limit their representative's term, they have that opportunity at every election.
62 ER757 : Well, Dreadnought and I are doing our part!!
63 Superfly : Nacy Pelosi is not a extreme leftist. She may be a bit left of center but is not the "lefty" that you paint her out to be. You should see her opponen
64 Slider : I’d argue your retort is a copout. Term limits structurally fix the problem at the root….and it would finally be the realization of our very Foun
65 Superfly : B.S. All terms limits does is change the name on the door. Fixing the "root" of the problem would be going after the PAC, corporations and lobbiest.
66 D L X : No, term limits shift the problem to a different person, and introduce a new problem: destruction of institutional memory, and getting rid of any goo
67 Post contains links FXramper : Pelosi cries about protestors being anti-American and said she "is a fan of disruptors" back in 2006. http://www.breitbart.tv/06-flashback...protester
68 MaverickM11 : Every cause has a lobby, whether it's supported by grassroots organizing or a well oiled machine; you just don't like the lobbyists that are not your
69 D L X : It would also serve to produce more moderate candidates. But don't single out California! No no no! Gerrymandering is huge in 44 out of 50 states. (T
70 Us330 : I'd be in favor of both. It ain't just the big blue states that do it. Texas has plenty of it---I grew up in a district that was gerrymandered by the
71 Slider : I don’t fully disagree with you here (or DLX entirely below), but I think it solves more than shifts the problem. Corruption will ALWAYS exist, lob
72 Superfly : Well aware of that. You're basically saying every office holder is guilty of corruption so punish them from day 1 and limit their terms? That sounds
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