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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Who let the dogs out??

Apparently, the Philadelphia Eagles...

$1.6 Million first year, $5.2 Million option for the second year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4397938


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Wow never figured it would be the Eagles. Looks like McNabb is getting one more year or will be kicked to the curb if he can't get it done.

User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Good, glad to hear it, time to move on.

Donte Stallworth killed a human, served 6 days of a 30 day sentence, suspended from the NFL for one year - is his penalty justice?

Rick Pitino broke the trust of his family and community - will he be vilified? Probably not.

Double standards?



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1667 times:

A P.O.S. person for a P.O.S. city and P.O.S. team.

What a perfect match.

And what a shocker that Vick is in Filthy after Reid said ,"We're not interested, but we hope he lands on his feet." Don't get me wrong I think Vick should have another chance after a 6-8 game suspension, but how ironic is it that he lands in one of the worst cities in the US.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Good for him moving on, I'm glad he has been given the opportunity to do so after being made such a villain.

I for one couldn't care less about the whole story and his fighting dogs, boo hoo hoo. Millions of human beings suffer worldwide everyday, I cannot believe some people care so much about a pack of dirty, vicious dogs who aren't even their own. What about the children? What about the children?

[Edited 2009-08-13 20:08:16]


oh boy!!!
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

As a long-time Eagles fan, this just makes me sick.....


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

Vick should have never gotten a second chance. I used to respect the Philadelphia Eagles as a franchise, but I just lost my respect for them because they chose to hire a convicted felon as quarterback. Vick's behaviour indirectly reflects upon the NFL, and it's bad enough that there are far too many people suspended for stupid things such as illegal gun posession (Plaxico Burress), for manslaughter while DUI (Donte' Stallworth), dog fighting (Michael Vick) etc. Nowadays, most of the news the NFL makes, is related to crimes or any kind of misbehaviour of its players. It's as if discipline, respect, honour and common sense are no longer values the NFL cares about.

What ever happened to the fact that in professional sports, players have to be role models for kids? How should an 11 year old football fan understand the fact that someone who commited a serious crime, is let off the hook? What just happened just sends one message, and it says that crime does pay, and that's not the kind of message I want to convey to kids.

For everyone's sake, I just hope McNabb can keep his job as a starter and doesn't get injured, because if Vick does get to play a single match, even for just a few minutes and even if it is during the pre-season, it's the declaration of moral bankruptcy of the National Football League.

Thank God there's still College Football.

[Edited 2009-08-13 19:43:42]

User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4482 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1635 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 4):
I for one could care less about the whole story and his fighting dogs, boo hoo hoo.

So if you could care less, you do somewhat care? The rest of your post seems to indicate otherwise...

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 4):
Millions of human beings suffer worldwide everyday, I cannot believe some people care so much about a pack of dirty, vicious dogs who aren't even their own. What about the children? What about the children

So it's OK to MAKE animals fight to the death and abuse them? We should have selective moral outrage, that's what you're saying? We can't be mad about "the children" AND someone's complete disrespect for life other than their own? We have to pick?  scratchchin 

Look, I'm not about to go out showering naked in the street for PETA because of this, but wrong is wrong. Sure he's paid his debt to society, but the vengeful side of me wishes his money days on Easy Street were over. It does perpetuate that image that you can get away with anything given enough money.

Oh well, I'll just enjoy listening to the entire stadium erupt in boos when he steps on the field week after week. You know that's gotta get to even the most egotistical of players after awhile.



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User currently offlineJpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1631 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
What ever happened to the fact that in professional sports, players have to be role models for kids? How should an 11 year old football fan understand the fact that someone who commited a serious crime, is let off the hook? What just happened just sends one message, and it says that crime does pay, and that's not the kind of message I want to convey to kids.

The only fact is that the NFL is a business and it's teams will do whatever they think improves their team. Theres no 'fact' players have to be role models for kids. It's nice when it happens, but come on, i am sick of these 'for the childrens sake..' arguments. How is he 'let off the hook' after doing his debt to society through a 2 year prison sentence? It sends a message that 'crime does pay'? You've gotten be kidding me. Nothing beneficial has come out of this saga for Michael Vick, he's lost a fortune and 2 years of his life. But you think 'crime does pay". Really? How has it paid? Sorry, that's pure BS.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1632 times:

There has to be others the Eagles could have chosen as a 'backup' QB without a Felony and very contervrsial criminal record as well as a better playing history as a QB than Michael Vick. It is also an insult to McNabb. Wait until the first time he goes into a game in a hostile site like Giants Stadium, they will boo Vick off the field.

User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1623 times:



Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 7):
So if you could care less, you do somewhat care? The rest of your post seems to indicate otherwise...

Touché  champagne 

Edit is my friend. I should be packing for this weekend though.

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 7):
So it's OK to MAKE animals fight to the death and abuse them? We should have selective moral outrage, that's what you're saying? We can't be mad about "the children" AND someone's complete disrespect for life other than their own? We have to pick?

No duh, it is not ok, but it sure is hypocritical. How many untold animals are abused and slaughtered inhumanely for meat, leather, and fur? They are not all killed in humane ways. Veal and liver pate production is a pretty nasty and abusive process. Why use so many resources and energy prosecuting and vilifying this man? For some dogs? Not some cute dogs, not some 6 y.o. girl's kidnapped pooch...some of his own ugly fighting dogs. But then again people love to see a famous, public person fall from grace and give them a few kicks on the way. So I am not surprised so much.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1621 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
Vick should have never gotten a second chance. I used to respect the Philadelphia Eagles as a franchise, but I just lost my respect for them because they chose to hire a convicted felon as quarterback.

Aww boohoo.  crying   cry 

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
There has to be others the Eagles could have chosen as a 'backup' QB without a Felony and very contervrsial criminal record as well as a better playing history as a QB than Michael Vick. It is also an insult to McNabb. Wait until the first time he goes into a game in a hostile site like Giants Stadium, they will boo Vick off the field.

The guy is a great QB, and despite what he's done in the past, he has gotten a second chance, and I believe that a man could not do more to be forgiven. Besides, the eagles don't have a backup QB and there is no guarantee he will play that much. I know there are some out there who no matter what will never forgive him for what he did, but he is finally with a team so get over it.

I still don't understand why people are acting like he commited first degree murder here. Donte Stallworth was driving drunk and kills a man and we haven't heard even a half of a peep out of anyone for it. He settles with the family out of court and spends 23 days in jail, but yet people aren't worked up about that right? I think Vick just had a target reticle on his back and people say fine lets go after him with everything we've got, but now there's nothing they can do about it. I wish him all the best and hope the eagles meet the Pats in the superbowl. Oh and btw, NFL players don't run of the field to their mommies if they get booed, just an afterthought. (except for Vince Young)



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1611 times:



Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 8):
How is he 'let off the hook' after doing his debt to society through a 2 year prison sentence?

Because he was re-instated into the NFL, despite having been previously suspended for life. Not only did he ruin his reputation, but he also did significant damage to the reputation of the Atlanta Falcons and the National Football League.

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 8):
It sends a message that 'crime does pay'? You've gotten be kidding me. Nothing beneficial has come out of this saga for Michael Vick, he's lost a fortune and 2 years of his life. But you think 'crime does pay".

Yes, it does pay in this case. Kids could go on and think "Hey, even if I commit murder, they'll still let me play in the NFL". Is that what you want the NFL to become, a league run by weak people and where most of the players are people who have done time because of a felony?

Even if the NFL is nothing more than a business focussed on turning a profit, there should be certain standards when it comes to hiring of players. And to me, they lack these standards since they are willing to basically receive a convicted felon back with open arms.


User currently offlineJpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1595 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):

Yes, it does pay in this case. Kids could go on and think "Hey, even if I commit murder, they'll still let me play in the NFL". Is that what you want the NFL to become, a league run by weak people and where most of the players are people who have done time because of a felony?

That doesn't make sense. You said 'crime does pay'. What tangible benefit has Vick gotten from any of this? Commit murder? Sorry, but dogs are not human beings. Where do you think Vick would he be if he murdered a person?

Where do you come to the conclusion on what the NFL will become due to this? That's a fallacy. Goodell has been a ratchet up in the tough department for dealing with these things...and the NFL has it's share of shady personalities with less than honorable past deeds, but for the most is a model league... far from a place where most of the players are felons. If that isn't the case now, what the hell makes you think it would be like that in the future? Because of Vick?


Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):

Even if the NFL is nothing more than a business focussed on turning a profit, there should be certain standards when it comes to hiring of players. And to me, they lack these standards since they are willing to basically receive a convicted felon back with open arms.

The NFL didn't welcome him back with open arms, they suspended him for 4 games and then allowed him to resume a career if a team would have him. The league didnt welcome him back or give him an opportunity, they just decided his time was done and they weren't going to stand in the way. The Philadelphia Eagles are the ones welcoming him back, and that has substantial risk monetarily and with the fanbase. They feel its a risk worth taking, and I am 100% behind the NFL's decision to let that be their prerogative.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Congrats to Mike!  bigthumbsup 

Can't wait to see him in action during preseason. Would like to see him at WR during the regular season too.

Glad he was given the chance to move forward after paying his debt to society.  yes 


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
What tangible benefit has Vick gotten from any of this?

The fact that he got a chance at restoring his career in the NFL for starters? In most other leagues (e.g. the NBA, MLB, the Bundesliga, Serie A, etc.), such a crime would have meant the end of his or her career. Hell, while I'm mentioning baseball, how about the Pete Rose issue? A guy who gambled as a manager and was permanently banned from Baseball for this (and with good reason after the Black Sox Scandal that was the 1919 World Series). Except for people on SportsCenter (and perhaps A-Rod), I don't see anybody else complaining about this, not even Pete Rose himself.

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
The NFL didn't welcome him back with open arms, they suspended him for 4 games and then allowed him to resume a career if a team would have him.

Yes, they did. Like I said, in other leagues, such a crime would have meant the end of the person's career, period.

Quoting Jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
The league didnt welcome him back or give him an opportunity

It is the league that gave him the opportunity. By making Vick's suspension conditional after his release, and with the possibility of full re-instatement by October, they gave him a chance. Wasn't it Roger Goddell who said that he deserved a second chance? If so, then the NFL definitely gave him the opportunity, and the Eagles took advantage of that by hiring him. It's up to Vick to show that the trust the NFL gave him was justified, although I stand by what I say and firmly believe that Michael Vick does not deserve re-instatement of any kind into the NFL.

[Edited 2009-08-13 22:58:56]

User currently offlineJpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4355 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1542 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
The fact that he got a chance at restoring his career in the NFL for starters?

You said "crime does pay" and your example of payment is that he gets to be in the NFL again? That's not a payment... He was a top tier NFL star. What one reward for his crime can you give me? Given the opportunity to return to your former profession is not a payment..... That's nonsensical. Hey, i'm going to commit a crime and do time, and return to my job as a shadow of myself with a fraction of my salary!! "Crime does pay". uh.. what?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
n most other leagues (e.g. the NBA, MLB, the Bundesliga, Serie A, etc.)



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
Yes, they did. Like I said, in other leagues, such a crime would have meant the end of the person's career, period.

I don't know your knowledge of American sports, but I find the notion that something like this doesn't and wouldn't happen in MLB or NBA to be completely laughable. NBA especially. Really? You really think a convicted felon would not ever be allowed to play in the NBA again?  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl  The NBA has typically had a much bigger image problem among their athletes than the NFL, and I would bet anything- a higher rate of players that are criminals.



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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1439 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1516 times:
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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2239 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1510 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Because he was re-instated into the NFL, despite having been previously suspended for life.

He wasn't suspended for life, he was suspended indefinitely...there is a difference

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 2):
Rick Pitino broke the trust of his family and community - will he be vilified? Probably not.

Double standards?

The difference between Pitino and Vick (and Stallworth) is that what Pitino did was not illegal (though morally disgusting). And, yes, he will be vilified, especially by UK fans



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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

I'm ready to move on. Vick did his time and now he has a second chance, lets hope he does well with it. That being said, i will not be buying a Vick jersey.

I'm looking forward to the NFL season  Wink



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 1479 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
he also did significant damage to the reputation of the Atlanta Falcons

Yeah those Falcons are in a world of hurt. They did horrible last year. Oh wait, nope, they were 11-5, had multiple pro bowlers, and had a stud QB who won AP Offensive Rookie of the Year. The season before they were 4-12, but that is because they lost their QB and several other players...the fact that the QB left for prison has nothing to do with that record, I bet they would be 4-12 or close to it if they had lost him to free agency or a trade too.


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

I would like to say that I love all the so called "Eagles" fans on here saying that they wiill never support the eagles again. Here we go, I'm a huge Pats fan and no real supporter of a team would say, I no longer support my team and i'm moving on to a new team, because they signed Vick (who it seems some labels as the worst criminal in history). Watching 3 Eagles games per year and rooting for them in the super bowl in my opinion does not make you a die hard fan. I'm sure the Eagles could care less if a few guys who claim they're fans because they live in philly or the know the name of the team, but really doesn't watch sports, stops supporting them. Philly fans are as obnoxious as they come and when they see this team win, they'll flock back right to them. Their motivation for not watching the team is petty, Michael Vick probably will never start a game this year, and McNabb said he pushed for him to come there. I believe the initial shock will go away and they will get over it. Simple as that.


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User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 1458 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 12):
Yes, it does pay in this case. Kids could go on and think "Hey, even if I commit murder, they'll still let me play in the NFL". Is that what you want the NFL to become, a league run by weak people and where most of the players are people who have done time because of a felony?

So, what you are saying is if you did something similar, lost you job and went to prison for 2 years and served your time for the crime, that no one should give you a second chance to get your own job back???

It's not like he got off light for what he did, he served his time, lost a lot of money, and did community service for PETA. What more do you want from him??


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1437 times:

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 2):

Donte Stallworth
killed a human, served 6 days of a 30 day sentence, suspended from the NFL for one year - is his penalty justice?

Rick Pitino broke the trust of his family and community - will he be vilified? Probably not.

Double standards?




There is....next line.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 15):
how about the Pete Rose issue?

Exactly.Yeah,how about it,MLB?Shame on the NFL for allowing Vick back in.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
What ever happened to the fact that in professional sports, players have to be role models for kids?

Yes,what happen? I'm glad I grew up in time where there was no crime,drugs,violence and
inhumane animal treatment....etc,etc which NEVER played a factor in any of my sports heroes.If you committed any of the above,you're done.Good moral standing was upheld.

Not played politics with.Boooooo on the Eagles and the NFL.

Today,it seems, a father may have to ask the question to his son's sports hero, "Do you have a record?"Tragic.Makes me sick.

[Edited 2009-08-14 11:25:39]


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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 1408 times:



Quoting PSA53 (Reply 23):
Today,it seems, a father may have to ask the question to his son's sports hero, "Do you have a record?"Tragic.Makes me sick.

Why should it matter. His son should look at a sports heroes performance on the field not off. Everyone makes mistakes and for a parent to not point that out, then they're not doing their job.



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25 AirframeAS : I hope Andy Reid is ready for a fun-filled drama this year.... I can see it now: "Why do I have to be the one always dealing with all the thugs in thi
26 PSA53 : OK.So,lets put O.J.Simpson and Barry Bonds into their respected HOF They're performance on the field is what counts,right?Again,Vick has killed dogs.
27 LTU932 : That's the doublestandard that rules the justice system today. Celebrities get off very easy for their crimes, while we civilians get the harshest of
28 NIKV69 : He served 24 days of that sentence.
29 Post contains links Srbmod : FYI, Vick and McNabb are longtime friends. McNabb has even publicly supported Vick. From August 2007: McNabb Says He Hopes Things Work Out for Vick I
30 FuturePilot16 : Oh puhleez, how do you figure that? Are they covering the healthcare meetings? How about the war on terror? That point makes absolutely no sense. Don
31 PSA53 : It was a general fustratation comment about the trouble with sports athletes worthy of that note. In the past few weeks,ESPN has to report- Vick The
32 Homer71 : Don't forget, they also like to self-promote a documentary they produced or an award show in their name...
33 MCOflyer : Very well said and I agree because he is a pos that did not deserve this in the first place. KH
34 Stratosphere : Why don't we just call it what it is..Instead of NFL it sould be TFL...THUG FOOTBALL LEAGUE. Same with NBA call it the TBA...There are more thugs and
35 Steeler83 : Confusing Philly with Detroit and the hapless Lions? I feel your pain! After hearing that on the radio this morning, I wanted to throw up! And to thi
36 LTBEWR : To me the real issues of dog fighting and Mr. Vick isn't just the obscene cruelity to the animals involved, but that it involves some serious and very
37 Srbmod : Apples and oranges..... Trying to compare Pete Rose betting on baseball and Mike Vick's financing/involvement in a dog fighting are really not the sa
38 Fxramper : I don't recall Vick ever causing problems on the field. Reid can look to his own screwed up family if he needs a dose of drama this year. Vick will d
39 SW733 : All right, I'm going to ignore most previous statements since I am short on time, so forgive me here but : Who gives a damn if Philly fans like it or
40 AirframeAS : It does not matter. A players off the field conduct is just as microscoped as on the field. Which has nothing to do with the thread.
41 Steeler83 : Like T.O. did? hmmm... Just ask Plaxico Burress!! Need I say more? Hell, forget him, how about just about any athlete for that matter. Granted, just
42 KstateinALB : Um, but I don't see another quarterback who has the talent that Vick does. Off the field issues aside, the guy is a talented quarterback, and can als
43 FuturePilot16 : I hearrd Vick did pretty well in his first practice with the Eagles. People are saying hee hasn't lost a step and still has that cannon for an arm. My
44 SW733 : It changed it for a year. One year. My family is in ATL, I talk Falcons Football quite often. And it wasn't just Vick that left that year. I grew up
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