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F1 2009 : European Grand Prix  
User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4906 times:

Couldn't see that this had been started but apologies if it has.

Last time I looked Hamilton had been installed as favourite. Be interesting to see if McLaren and Ferrari can sustain their resurgence or Brawn and Red Bull stay at the front or someone else rockets to the front after the break ...


"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4892 times:

I think RBR will be the one's who are hard to beat. Brawn seems to have slipped back, and unless they've dramatically improved I don't really see them posing a threat. The big question is, will Renault be there? They have their court of appeal hearing today, so we will have to wait and see.

User currently offlineFlyboysp From Australia, joined Apr 2007, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 4885 times:

And here is the customary video of the circuit. Enjoy the video as you ride with Felipe Massa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u6MjxS3EJU



Felipe Baby...... stay cool!
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4860 times:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77736
Renault Ban overturned...Grosjean likely to take Piquet's place.

I think this is a logical move by FIA....and they really had no other choice to keep ticket sales up...If no Schumi...then Alonso.

In terms of the Race, I remember Hamilton to have been strong here. I wouldn't be surprised if he led the pack.

If it's a hot race, Button might do well too. I wouldn't be surprised to see Webber and Vettel in the mix.

GO HAMMY!


User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Great to see that Renault will be able to race. I like watching Alonso drive, and he might be in a good spot for his home GP as this track is not really about speed either. Will be interesting as both Mclaren and Ferrari showed good pace in last race.
So it can be a race with 5 teams fighting it out.

What made me laugh is that Badoer will be able to drive the F60 before Friday while shooting a commercial for Ferrari. It will be with extreme hard compounds, but still. Not only will he be able to race again, but also try out the car before Friday. Big grin

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4851 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 4):
What made me laugh is that Badoer will be able to drive the F60 before Friday while shooting a commercial for Ferrari. It will be with extreme hard compounds, but still. Not only will he be able to race again, but also try out the car before Friday.

I read this..and frankly am not a fan of this. Looks like either Ferrari found a Loophole in the rules, or they're using this as a cover up for a test.

Does an extreme hard compound tyre being used result in it not being a test if the entire chassis is 2009 specs?  Wink

and who knows...maybe the super hard compound suits Ferrari's test track Fiorano.

If I was in the FIA...to be fair to everyone...I wouldn't even allow this to be honest. If they wanted to do this on the day of qualifying or just after friday practice...at slow speeds I might be ok with it.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4847 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 3):
Renault Ban overturned...Grosjean likely to take Piquet's place.

That's two good news in one post! I can't wait to see Grosjean (if confirmed) racing for Renault.

Good to see another French driver in F1!!



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4844 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 4):
Great to see that Renault will be able to race.

Oh definitely I am pleased that Alonso will be racing.

Still my winner has not changed.

http://www.lewishamilton.com/.

 cheerful 

Unless there is some unexpected mishap I think he stands good chances.  airplane 



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4832 times:



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 5):
If I was in the FIA...to be fair to everyone...I wouldn't even allow this to be honest. If they wanted to do this on the day of qualifying or just after friday practice...at slow speeds I might be ok with it.

I think we need to view it as Ferrari found a loophole that FIA can't do anything about, which in turn is fair. A bit like the DD diffuser.
On the other hand, to shoot a commercial is a business that can very easily end up in the million $ mark, so I don't think that Ferrari are doing this just to be able to let Badoer drive the F60. Just my opinion though.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
Still my winner has not changed.

No worries, I'm pretty sure none of us would think anything else when it comes to your favourite.  Wink

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4804 times:



Quoting Sudden (Reply 8):
I think we need to view it as Ferrari found a loophole that FIA can't do anything about, which in turn is fair. A bit like the DD diffuser.

Exactly.  checkmark 

And if some of the other teams try to take Ferrari to the WMSC accusing them of breaking hte rules for testing, I wish them the best of luck in trying to successfully prove that it was for testing and not for advertisement filming.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 4798 times:
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Here is something to note and remember ... me defending Ferrari, or at least their actions.

I beleive there is an agreement between the teams to allow promotional use of the cars, hence Bridgestone make a "promotional" super hard slick and the cars are limited to 100kph.
The only real benefit Badoer could get would be getting used to the controls and steering wheel but he would have spent enough time in the simulator to not really need that.

Chhers



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Grosjean is confirmed! He'll be replacing Piquet until the end of the season:

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090818100615.shtml

I can't wait to see how he will do!!



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

The last Fiszman cartoon:

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/125/04avantgpdeurope2009.jpg
On the transfer market, Renault is already very active

Kubica and Heidfled: "Where do you go?"
Alonso: "To Ferrari!..."
Piquet: "To my dad!..."



"A learned fool is more foolish than an ignorant one" - Moliere
User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4764 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
The last Fiszman cartoon:

hahhaaa................
Now that's funny!

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4757 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 12):
Alonso: "To Ferrari!..."

Replacing Kimis Rightintothewineagain?



"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4720 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 10):
used

Obviously there's some benefit in it, otherwise they wouldn't do it unless they were using it as some kind of pit stop practice.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4717 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 15):
Obviously there's some benefit in it, otherwise they wouldn't do it

Or perhaps they were actually performing some promotional role like they said!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

I wish Takuma Sato to be back next season!!  airplane   airplane   yes   angel   airplane   airplane 

I would love so much to see my two favourite drivers Hammy and Taku racing each other. That would be a blast!



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4702 times:

The GP venue has some modifications this year:

- The pits exit has been improved;
- The wall between the track and the pits has been modified;
- Walls have been pushed away on turns 3, 5, 9, 10 and 14;
- Artificial grass has been installed on around turns 10 and 14;
- New rumble strips installed on turn 4 and 5.



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

As a Ferrari fan and as an italian, I will be definitely rooting for Badoer for this GP. Not as exciting as Schumi, but seeing an Italian driving the red car is still something to look forward to!


Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineSudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4675 times:



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 18):
Artificial grass has been installed on around turns 10 and 14

Hm, why don't they go a bit wild and crazy and put some grass IN turn 10 and 14 as well! Big grin

Aim for the sky!
Sudden



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

Quote:

It was also revealed that Renault’s case was helped by the fact that Red Bull Racing, McLaren, Ferrari and Toyota all wrote letters supporting Renault’s case - with two teams admitting that their own pit-stop procedures have had to be changed to avoid a repeat of an Alonso-type situation.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77769



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4669 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
It was also revealed that Renault’s case was helped by the fact that Red Bull Racing, McLaren, Ferrari and Toyota

You see, Ferrari is not so evil after all Big grin



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4657 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
I would love so much to see my two favourite drivers Hammy and Taku racing each other

With all due respect Madame, I am not sure what kind of car/driver combination would have Lewis & Taku actually racing each other.

Back to the news, the FIA have released the 2010 Sporting & Technical regulations.

Notable is that the points system remains unchanged and is not Bernie's "medal" proposal.

Qualifying has been amended to cater for a 26 car entry list and it appears that Q3 will be run in a light fuel state so no more guess work about who is light or heavy.

The rules seem unclear as to whether KERS is optional or not.

The way I read it those stupid wheel cover/brake ducts should not be allowed but that is the way I read the 2008/9 rules as well.

Having said all that I would not bother to commit these rules to paper as there is plenty of time for amendments between now and March 2010

Cheers



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10725 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (4 years 8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4647 times:



Quoting StealthZ (Reply 23):
it appears that Q3 will be run in a light fuel state so no more guess work about who is light or heavy.

Changes to qualifying next year: "Q3 will now be run in low-fuel configuration with the regulations taking into account the re-fuelling ban for 2010", autosport claims it was designed to please the fans.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77775

 Yeah sure  Confused



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25 LTU932 : I prefer if you re-instate limitations such as the 107% rule. That should serve as a better incentive for them to make it into the grid. And those wh
26 StealthZ : That is something that might have to be considered for 2011 if the new teams do not measure up but for now it would be non issue, in the 7 races to T
27 GrahamHill : And transform this venue into some kind of Rally-cross track? Why not , at least it would add some fun to a very boring GP!
28 Boeing74741R : Good! If it ain't broke, don't fix it 1-0 Bernie Ecclestone Makes sense to me. Running the top 10 cars in Q3 on light fuel means they'll be faster, a
29 Tsv : So with the re-fuelling ban wouldn't it make more sense to have them fully fuelled at the start of each qualifying session so the grid order would be
30 Sudden : Interesting, but next year it will be just what you wrote, but the other way around. Aim for the sky! Sudden
31 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Badoer: "Until Felipe comes back, the car is mine!" Drivers: Jaime Alguersuari (Toro Rosso), Fernando Alonso (Renault), Luca Badoer (Ferrari), Jenson
32 Sudden : Practise 1 result: 1 23 Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes 1:42.460 2 2 Heikki Kovalainen McLaren-Mercedes 1:42.636 0.176 3 1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Me
33 GrahamHill : The return of the Brawns... As far as I can remember, the last time they were on top during Friday practice was in Monaco. Let's see if the can confi
34 T1210s : I see the toyota's are having another nightmare on a street circuit
35 Sudden : I think Toyota has a bit of split personality. I mean, they are very fast in 1-2 races, and the next it's back to the Trulli-train. Not consistent at
36 Bill142 : I see that McLaren are using a shorter wheel base car in Valencia this weekend. The reason Lewis didn't go back out in P2 is because they had run out
37 Sudden : They have been in F1 now for how many years? I think it's strange that a team as Toyota with such a budget is not able to accomplish more. They could
38 Post contains images T1210s :
39 StealthZ : Despite all the rhetoric about Badoer, this and being severely off the pace are hardly the hallmarks of one ready for the main event!! Cheers[Edited
40 Boeing74741R : So much for the earlier pleas that it should've been Badoer's seat anyway, not Schumacher's (before the Quack stepped in). I doubt Gene would've been
41 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Bummer! I cannot find any live practice 3 streaming on the internet! I hope I will be able to see the Qualifs this afternoon. The only thing I have is
42 Astuteman : Have to say that in the grand scheme of things, those results look much more like the return of the McLarens to me..... Rgds
43 Post contains links Madameconcorde : http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/formula-one-live Go Hammy!!!!! Drivers scores for now.... 1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren 2 Brazil R Barrichell
44 MadameConcorde : Q1 results Live Leaderboard Position Country Driver Team 1 Great Britain J Button Brawn 2 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren 3 Poland R Kubica BMW Saube
45 GrahamHill : Very disappointed by Badoer. He did not even come close to 19th position... I still don't understand why they chose him to race. I think Gené would h
46 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Live Leaderboard Position Country Driver Team 1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren 2 Finland H Kovalainen McLaren 3 Brazil R Barrichello Brawn 4 Germany
47 BlueElephant : I am so happy this morning...Especially FOR Madame Concorde! And for Heikki and Lewis...absolutely brilliant stuff from the McLaren drivers! Here's ho
48 Sudden : I actually have the answer to this. Ferrari didn't put Gené in the car cause he is even slower the badoer. Ferrari stated this themselves. Good to s
49 Tsv : Weights? Filler .... ....
50 GrahamHill : Well, I humbly don't think you can be worse than Badoer. Gené competed this year in the LMS, so he is more fit. He also won the 24 Hours of Le Mans,
51 Tiger119 : OK, I have been under the radar the past couple years and have not paid attention that much to Formula One (my own little personal "fit" over Bernie p
52 Flyboysp : If you are referring to the white line in the last sector. I believe it is sand that has been put over some oil, because Vettel's engine blew leaving
53 BlueElephant : Valencia is a very tight track and can be a hard drive. The European Grand Prix was moved to the Valencia Street Circuit last year....Hockenheim and
54 Sudden : They compared the data from their test sessions, and Gené was then slower of the 2. So that's why Badoer is now driving. They could also do what Mcl
55 Boeing74741R : When Badoer was racing all those years ago he wasn't competitive then, so there's no way he's going to be competitive now. MadameC raised a good sugg
56 T1210s : Fuel adjusted grid 1 Rubens Barrichello lap 19 2 Heikki Kovalainen +0.216secs (lap 16) 3 Lewis Hamilton +0.249 (lap 15) 4 Jenson Button +0.291 (lap 18
57 Racko : Well, at least we now know that trying to bring in Schumacher was desperation, not a publicity stunt.
58 Sudden : The weights; 1. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 653kg 2. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 655 3. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 662.5 4. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull
59 StealthZ : I saw that and was wondering if Toyota are just working on getting ultra heavy car data for next year when there is no refuelling. Your point about M
60 MadameConcorde : Nice thoughts, BlueElephant! We need to send good vibes to our two drivers! I hope nothing bad will happen to the McLarens, no incidents of any kind
61 Racko : After 4 laps Badoer is 29sec behind Hamilton and even the gap to the guy directly in fornt of him is already 13sec. Incredible.
62 MadameConcorde : I hope Hammy will be able to catch up on Rubens and pass him.... He is having a difficult time it seems... Race almost over...
63 MadameConcorde : Unless a miracle Barrichello has got a win... Me very sad...
64 BlueElephant : Ruebens has won this one I'm sure of it. costly Pit lane error in the McLaren garage otherwise Hamilton would have had this race. I wonder what happen
65 MadameConcorde : Definitely. I had the feeling something was going wrong during that pit stop but could not figure out why or what the mechs were doing... Even though
66 GrahamHill : Congratulations to Rubens!! I'm very happy for him, he deserves it. But it was another boring Valencia GP. This one was not better than last year.
67 Astuteman : You shouldn't be, MadameConcorde. It's great to see Lewis getting himself back on the podium again, but Rubens is a great driver and a great guy - a
68 MadameConcorde : Rubens is a highly experienced driver with a very good car. From the BBC Sports site: Lewis Hamilton on BBC One: "We win together and we lose together
69 GrahamHill : Badoer's performance was poor, to say the least. He spinned several time and did a beginner's mistake by crossing the white line at pits exit which co
70 Cpd : Very happy to see Rubens win - thoroughly deserved victory and a flawless drive.
71 Sudden : Well done to Rubens, and another P5 for Rosberg. It seems that he has taken over that position from Webber. About Toyota, Talks are going on in the pi
72 Baroque : Too busy with the cricket to work out how Hammie managed to lose the unlosable. Then again, first I could never understand how Mcl were so hopeless fo
73 Post contains images GrahamHill : Yes they should!! And they should go back to Le Mans and build a successor of this beautiful baby:    I guess they have good engineers![Edited 2009
74 Waterpolodan : Yes, the error was costly, but I'm pretty sure Rubens would have won the race anyway. When Hamilton pitted, the gap was somewhere around 4 seconds. H
75 Sudden : I actually had to laugh when Badoer crossed the white line when leaving the pit, and the camera showed Schumi turning back to the monitors trying not
76 EZEIZA : This time I missed it, couldn't watch the race I'm happy for Rubens, finally he gets a break! How was the race overall? Apart from badoer being a comp
77 GrahamHill : Boring... Honestly, apart from Vettel's engine failure, Nakajima's puncture, MlcLaren's pit crew mistake and Badoer's white line crossing, a-b-s-o-l-
78 Sudden : Well, lets not forget Vijay's boat that is probably bigger then my house, and next to it was the yacht that belongs to someone high up in the Mclaren
79 MadameConcorde : Who is this Vijay? Mr Kingfisher? Mr Kingfisher's mega-yacht named the Indian Empress is huge! Then he also owns the Indian Princess which he charter
80 GrahamHill : Indeed... I agree. Spa is by far the best track of the championship. I've been there to watch the 1997 F1 GP. Unforgettable!
81 Sudden : That's the one. He is actually in fancial trouble right now. He has a bill for $10 million for Ferrari engines from last year that is not yet paid, a
82 Post contains images GrahamHill : Yes, you should go! It's a beautiful venue, although the track is not as nice as 10 years ago. they got rid of the bus stop chicane which was really
83 MadameConcorde : Monaco is the world's best Grand Prix track -- recognized by all with now Singapore coming right after it.
84 GrahamHill : It's one of the greatest races in the world, together with the Indy 500 and the 24 Hours of Le Mans. The track looks challenging and it must be extre
85 Sudden : I think the race itself is more famous because of it's location, and that it's a street race, but I choose Spa any second over Monaco though. Matter
86 EZEIZA : They are both grat GP's despite being very different from in every possible way. Both are must-see venues if you can afford it!
87 GrahamHill : Spa is more affordable than Monaco, I think
88 T1210s : spa is a brilliant track one of the greats that hasnt been messed around with to much. KERS should be good up the hill and who can forget 1998!!!!
89 Sudden : That's the year when they turned Spa in to a very high tech junkyard. And Coulthard didn't actually cause it either. Aim for the sky! Sudden
90 EZEIZA : that's why I specified the "if you can afford it" part
91 MadameConcorde : GrandPrix.com is reporting that "although Mallya had the biggest yacht in the harbour in Valencia, there continue to be rumours that he owes large su
92 StealthZ : GrandPrix.com is also reporting that the Indian Government has declared that F1 is not a sport and has not allowed JPSK Sports(organisers of 2011 Ind
93 GrahamHill : Maybe they should jump in a race car and see by themselves...
94 Sudden : Like I wrote; $10 million for the Ferrari engines, and $3 million for the Merc engines is what he needs to cough up. They could also ask their "local
95 MadameConcorde : I am not going to give this man any excuses. He must pay his due no matter how/what. He has two mega-yachts he can put on the market. He must pay bac
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