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User currently offlineDutchwings From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 83 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 710 times:

The Dutch government has quit due to the Srebenica crisis ........... sad day for holland

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User currently offlineSaintsman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 2065 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 691 times:

From the BBC:

"The entire Dutch cabinet has resigned in the aftermath of a report on the Srebrenica massacre.
The report, published last week, blamed the Dutch Government and senior military officials for failing to prevent the 1995 massacre, the worst single atrocity of the Bosnian war.

The government, headed by Prime Minister Wim Kok, met for crisis talks on Tuesday morning, before deciding to resign en masse.

Two ministers, Jan Pronk and Frank de Grave, had threatened to quit after the report's release.

'Mission impossible'

The country was anyway due to hold general elections on 15 May.

Mr Kok's cabinet will function as an interim administration with no power to initiate legislation until a new government is formed.

The Srebrenica report said the government had sent its peacekeepers on a "mission impossible" to protect Srebrenica, which was supposed to be a United Nations safe area.

Up to 8,000 men and boys were slaughtered by Bosnian Serb forces who over-ran the area.

The report also criticised the UN, which it said should share responsibility with the Dutch Government for failing to prevent the tragedy.

But the fact that it stopped short of blaming the peacekeepers themselves has provoked angry protest from relatives of the victims."


How rare in goverment, people with honour


User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 688 times:

I quite agree - politicians with honour are a rare thing indeed. If that had happened in the UK, it would have been 'spun' so that it would have been buried under other news or the previous Tory government blamed!

Hopefully Tone and his people will learn something from this. I'm not holding my breath, though!


User currently offlineRogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 683 times:

I think this is actually good in a way - politicians taking blame and willing to end their power for their mistakes.

Its amazing that all the ministers can just quit.

In the USA, the president's party would just blame it on the UN and the non-presidential party would blame the president's party. Of course it would also all be burried in the back pages of the newspaper anyway.

So, to the Netherlands I know this is not great news, but it reveals that you have a government accountable for its actions.

kind regards,

RogueTrader


User currently offlineMighluss From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 949 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 681 times:

Sure!

This things will never happen in Spain. A few days ago, we had an affaire with one of the most important banks here, and now, nobody knows nothing, so the other party have the blame, and so...and so... the goverment is always innocent.



Miquel.
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 672 times:

The true reason for them quitting is that the research agency blamed the army for keeping back evidence that would place the blame on the troops who were there.
The minister of defence decided he could not function with that knowledge and decided to quit.
So he quit not because he took responsibility for what happened in Bosnia, but because the cabinet could not lay blame on the army for it...

Election politics forced the others to quit too (can't have one person from another party make a gesture that might be popular and not be seen to do the same, can you? Especially if it is a paper gesture only).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineSchreiner From Netherlands, joined Oct 2001, 960 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 663 times:

At last things are happening at the Netherlands again... Well... I think it harms nobody! I only don't want Pim Fortuyn getting better out of this.

Cheers,
Schreiner



Soaring the internet...
User currently offlineOO-VEG From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 1110 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 651 times:

Very good they resigned. May 15th are the elections and that proves their choice isn't just promotional stunt. It takes some courage to resign so close before the elections (the coalition was not doing very well, but I think they will lose even more voters now).

User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13220 posts, RR: 77
Reply 8, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 647 times:

An honourable thing to do.
Even so, the hugely outnumbered Dutch troops, with only personal weapons, requested NATO airstrikes on the advancing Serbs.
Which were refused.
In the UK, the then Foreign Secretary, Douglas Hurd, was a total Serb appeaser.
When he left politics, he went to work for a bank that did business with the Serb regime right up until the Kosovo crisis.
IMHO the concept of 'Blue Helmet' peacekeeping in an active war zone also died with Srebenicia.



User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 644 times:

too bad this has happened, but okay...on the other hand....it's a little bit their own fault, the Dutch government lacked the whole Srebrenica-crisis for years, and this is what they have to pay now.....

also a good thing for Pim Fortuyn this, I think the guy will get much more votes now at the elections.....too bad, because I don't like the guy!!  Pissed



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User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 632 times:

I don't like that bold guy either. But then it was a sad day allready as it was raining all day.


"You should have gone to specsavers"
User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 630 times:

not in Klarenbeek GR325,

there is always bright and sunny weather in this beautiful city, and....Pim will not get votes in Klarenbeek!! all 600.000 citizens don't like the "at your service" guy either!!  Smokin cool



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User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 627 times:

Talking about KBK, I scanned the maps and putt them online in the next few days. I'll let you know.

"At your service" I wonder were he got that from.



"You should have gone to specsavers"
User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 624 times:

i know that:

Kablau Air, Cannabis air and the Klarenbeek Public Transport Company (SVK)  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineGr325 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 715 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 621 times:

so what happend at your school yesterday. Haven't heard the result yet. Send me an email to let me know.

Oh wait this is getting of topic, oh well never mind.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



"You should have gone to specsavers"
User currently offlineKL713 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2001, 771 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 618 times:

i will send you an email tomorrow when i know more, i'm gonna talk with my teacher tomorrow, she was not at school yesterday....

ow, and maybe i will come to Schiphol tuesday....but i'll let you know later for sure.....

mazzel!!  Big thumbs up



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