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Libya Wins Swiss Apology For Arrest Of Gaddafi Son  
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5297 times:
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Swiss President Hans-Rudolf Merz apologized to the Libyan government on Thursday for the brief detention last year of a son of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, clearing the way for a return to normal diplomatic ties.

"We are apologizing for what happened to Hannibal Gaddafi and the two sides agreed to form a committee to discuss the matter," Merz told reporters in Tripoli.

Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE57J4DR20090820

What do you think? This issue is stirring up quite a debate here in Switzerland. The Swiss think that it was inappropriate to apologize for this detention, only because it happened to Gaddafi's son, and that our government basically bowed to Libya's threats.

I'm sure there will be a lot of talking about this in the next weeks.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5282 times:

Wow, big day for Gaddafi.

Lybia 2 Western World 0.

 thumbsdown   thumbsdown   thumbsdown 


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

Oh, you have got to be kidding!

Once again Switzerland is turning into everyone's punching bag. The US, Germany and others over bank accounts, and now this.

I suggested to a senior guy at a major swiss bank a few weeks ago that the Swiss should quietly restrict all investment dollars it controls from being invested in Germany, the US, and other countries that give Switzerland a lot of grief. Given that Swizerland controls a couple of trillion dollars in investments, it would get noticed. He smiled, and said he didn't want to cause a trade war. I guess he's right, but people need to lay off Switzerland. the world has bigger things to worry about.



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5264 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):

What do you think?

A freakin' disgrace!  Angry

Gadaffi 1-0 Switzerland

Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):
that our government basically bowed to Libya's threats.

In the past 18 months, our government has been bowing into almost every single threat. Currently there is not one single Swiss politician who has the cojones to flip the finger at all of the country's critics.

In the end, don't blame the politicians, it is the Swiss people who have voted these incompetent people into power over the last couple of years.


User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

NUTS!!!!!

Sign,
General McAuliffe,
It was the generals one word reply back of the Nazi's request to surrender.

My exact feelings about giving into thugs.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5199 times:



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 3):
In the past 18 months, our government has been bowing into almost every single threat. Currently there is not one single Swiss politician who has the cojones to flip the finger at all of the country's critics.

If I was in any leading position in switzerland, I would tell Gaddafi and his country of terrorists to shove it. I would also ban he and his son/sons from entering into that country



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26493 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

The Swiss had to make a decision based on their national interests and it seems they have. They are not the first and wont be the last .


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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6289 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

I believe this is for internal Libyan use only, and who cares what Gaddafi's "press" tells the Libyan people?

The problem is that two Swiss workers/technicians/businessmen (don't remember) are detained in Libya as hostages, and I would assume that this is the way to get them out.

We had our problems with the same Hannibal Gaddafi when he attended the Copenhagen University several years ago, but we got him out of the back door in an easier way. I believe that no developed country will any longer issue a visa for him. Game over.

The Swiss incident has also had a few advantages:

1. Gas retailer Tamoil (Libyan state owned) has pulled out of Switzerland. The remaining oil companies (BP, Shell etc.) have filled the gap. This can only mean a more stable oil supply.

2. Libyan state has devested heavily in mainly Swiss banks like UBS and CS. That can only mean a more stable ownership of those banks. And it certainly makes it more attractive for people like me and many others including major world market investors to invest in those banks. And in fact last May my bank advisor put a few thousand $$ of my retirement money on UBS (which won't make or break anything).



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

I don't know why Lybia got Switzerland to apologise. Lybia deserves no apologies.

User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13793 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

From what I remember, the two (Morroccan / Tunisian) servants, who got beaten by Ghaddafi´s son, retracted their accusations soon after the son´s arrest. From what I´ve heard they and their families received threats from the Lybian government.

Jan


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5105 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):
We are apologizing

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Mr Merz, our seasoned weapons-trader in federal office, quite nicely apologized for the Cantonal Police of Geneva and some "Swiss authorities" (the Geneva state prosecution), so reducing the matter to a problem about some over-active policemen and attorneys. It looks as if he by his ways has regulated the Swiss Libyan relationship. Sure he now is attacked about this "surrender" to an ugly and rapidly aging dictator (too much Bourbon Whiskey I guess !), but something needed to be done. That former government president of the Republic of Geneva simply was not the person in need for this !  Big grin

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
Wow, big day for Gaddafi.

Lybia 2 Western World 0.

A) the name of the country is LIBYA
B) it was a big but difficult day for Mr Merz

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 2):
Once again Switzerland is turning into everyone's punching bag

You must be making bad jokes ! Everybody in recent years was kissing the better parts of "el-Raïs Nabulyuni", and now when the Swiss Federal President follows the lead it is "punching bag" ?  Smile  Big grin

Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):
our government basically bowed to Libya's threats.

Mr Merz bowed to realities, and knows that you have to accept who is sitting in the better place in the end. The readiness of Prime Minister and Foreign Minister too meet him within a day (rare in that area) shows that Libya in reality is quite interested to overcome the "problem", but the technocrats in Tripoli needed a Swiss rep. who was ready to please their "lider maximo" and his clan

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 3):
it is the Swiss people who have voted these incompetent people into power over the last couple of years.

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no, it is not the Swiss people who voted incompetent people into power, it is Swiss shareholders who voted incompetent managers into high corporate offices and it was (and possibly is) voters in Cantons who vote in favour of incompetent local politicians and it is Swiss voters who refuse higher wages for policemen and that way DISencourage qualified people to get into police service (you simply do not arrest sons of foreign dictators and you do not imprison them, no country in the world does do so, none) . You may remember the so-called "suicide" of that German politician in Geneva ? Looks nice, doesn't it ?

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 4):
request to surrender.

My exact feelings about giving into thugs.

Well, you overestimate the Swiss armed forces. They might technically be able to conquer the Lombardy region, but Libya ?  Sad

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
The Swiss had to make a decision based on their national interests and it seems they have. They are not the first and wont be the last .

Absolutely. Other countries have done so as well. Anybody remember the tent in Paris ?

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
Tamoil (Libyan state owned) has pulled out of Switzerland

has it ? here the entries of today online :

Wer, Was: z.B. müller, coiffeur, 061 295 35 35

Wo: z.B. neuchâtel, 5700, bergstrasse

Im aktuellen Kartenausschnitt suchen

Erweiterte Suche

Name, Vorname: z.B. meier, hans*
Beruf: z.B. pizzaiolo, doktor
Strasse:
Ort, PLZ:
Region, Kanton:
Telefon:
Einfache Suche

Internationale Suche

* Firmen
* Privatpersonen

Anfangsbuchstabe

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* D (3)
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still 133 ONEHUNDREDANDTHIRTYTHREE ! No, it has NOT pulled out of
Switzerland at all , and never did

and you might look up THIS

www.rcvs.ch/cgi-bin/fnrGet.cgi?fnr=6...&lang=1&hrg_opt=11000&shab=0000000

which is the online entry of the Commercial Register, only showing the central company in Switzerland

--- in short, you have become victim of the Khaddafi propaganda !

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 8):
Lybia deserves no apologies.

First of all, it is LIBYA, and second, diplomacy needed these apologies. Switzerland simply cannot afford to have an ongoing conflict with Libya, just due to some profile-hungry Genevan law-enforces. THIS was and is the argument of Mr Merz.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
the two (Morroccan / Tunisian) servants, who got beaten by Ghaddafi´s son, retracted their accusations soon after the son´s arrest. From what I´ve heard they and their families received threats from the Lybian government.

Beside the point that it is Libyan government and not "Lybian", they got a threat and as rumours go a quite nice sum of money (arranged by the dictator's daughter who is a lawyer and knows how to handle things of her a bit strange family !


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5096 times:
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Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):

Everything you said makes perfect sense. It's only a bit hard to accept from an "instinctive" point of view (as in "heck, we don't have to bow in front of those guys"). I guess that's just how politics work...



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5080 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
Lybia 2 Western World 0.

A) the name of the country is LIBYA

I think that is called a typographical error, but thanks for the heads up.  no 


User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 855 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

Actually, it's the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya if you want to go all out on the name!!!

It really is amazing to see the West in general falling over itself to do business with Libya, seemingly, in light of recent events, at any cost. How times change.

The Colonel apparently plays his hand well. There was no way he was ever going to end up hiding down a hole with US forces chasing him.



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User currently offlineAviationMaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5038 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
Switzerland simply cannot afford to have an ongoing conflict with Libya, just due to some profile-hungry Genevan law-enforces. THIS was and is the argument of Mr Merz.

Did Merz a reason, as to why Switzerland cannot afford to have an ongoing conflict with Libya? Economic reasons perhaps?

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
it was (and possibly is) voters in Cantons who vote in favour of incompetent local politicians

This is exactly what I meant with my post.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10):
Swiss voters who refuse higher wages for policemen and that way DISencourage qualified people to get into police service (you simply do not arrest sons of foreign dictators and you do not imprison them, no country in the world does do so, none) .

I agree - the police was certainly lacking some "Fingerspitzengefühl" in that given situation.

In the end, I just fail to see how giving Gadaffi what he wants will solve future problems. It might have resolved this case (the two "hostages" are still in Libya), but IMO it just deteriorated our government's stance and credibility in future deilcate disscussions.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 5009 times:



Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 14):
Did Merz a reason, as to why Switzerland cannot afford to have an ongoing conflict with Libya? Economic reasons perhaps?

A) Economic reasons
B) Diplomacy. Switzerland which is representing countries hostile to each other in both countries in question and which is often THE chief negotiator and is having the HQs of many international organisations cannot have its relationship with a European or Mediterranean country in chaos
C) Relations with the Arab World. Most Arab leaders of course know that Mr Khaddafi is mad saw that crisis as an embarassment, and so tried to negotiate. But it was something to be done in the end by the Swiss Federal government, and the former government president of the "Republic + Canton of Geneva" simply could not do so.

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 14):
I just fail to see how giving Gadaffi what he wants will solve future problems

No, it was to solve the present problems. I still remember what President Sadat on a visit to Germany said quite in public and in German language "Dieser Mann ist wahnsinnig, wissen Sie, er spinnt". So that the man can create problems again just as he did elsewhere.

Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 14):
It might have resolved this case (the two "hostages" are still in Libya), but IMO it just deteriorated our government's stance and credibility in future deilcate disscussions.

No,
A) the two hostages in reality were rather a side issue, the main issues were diplomacy, economic relations, airtraffic + seatraffic agreement
B) No, to make concessions to Mr Khaddafi did not deteriorate the stance and credibility of other governments and I do not see why it should be different in case of Switzerland. Quite to the contrary, as long as he is to stay in the Federal Council, Mr Merz in future will be the man approached by Arab politicians in case of things to get solved. His tactics of making the matter into one of some profile-hungry attention-whoring Cantonal policemen and prosecutors quite nicely reduced the matter to size. The point that he could on the same day, even on his first day there, talk with BOTH the Prime Minister AND the Foreign Minister is almost sensational by Arab standards.


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1240 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4933 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Thread starter):
What do you think?

From how it looks from here, I think that the swiss leaders will do anything for money, meaning that because Lybia (or Libya, it's Lob in Hebrew) has money in swiss bank accounts, the swiss leaders are willing to spit on their national honor (if they think that Switzerland has any) and on all the principles of civilized people (like not hitting other humans) just that a crazy dictator with oil won't take out his dear money out of the country. I think it's a disgrace for Switzerland and for the residents of this country, not mentioning those who were beaten by Qaddafi Jr.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 6):
The Swiss had to make a decision based on their national interests and it seems they have

Did I mention money?



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13793 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4913 times:



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15):
Quoting AviationMaster (Reply 14):
I just fail to see how giving Gadaffi what he wants will solve future problems

No, it was to solve the present problems. I still remember what President Sadat on a visit to Germany said quite in public and in German language "Dieser Mann ist wahnsinnig, wissen Sie, er spinnt". So that the man can create problems again just as he did elsewhere.

When did this happen? Also, I didn´t know that Sadat was speaking German (though AFAIK he was a member of the Egyptian resistance against the British colonialists during the 1930s-1940s and he some contacts with the German Nazi government, possibly hoping that the Afrika Korps would kick the British out and then let Egypt to become independent. A fine chance with this, e.g. in his attitude towards India, of which some more radical independence politicians (e.g. Bose) were also hoping for German help to kick the British out, Hitler made it quite clear to his cronies, that these countries would never become independent, they would just change their colonial master.

Jan


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4872 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 17):
When did this happen? Also, I didn´t know that Sadat was speaking German (though AFAIK he was a member of the Egyptian resistance against the British colonialists during the 1930s-1940s and he some contacts with the German Nazi government

I refer to his visit to some places in Baden-Baden in about 1975 or 76. Yes, President Sadat spoke German most nicely. Beside his speaking a bit of French. President Mubarak, beside Arabic speaks both English and Russian, Russian of course excellently as having been the first non-WarsawPact officer allowed into the Generals Academy of the USSR.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4678 times:
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Listen up, the news are getting better day by day!

Now Colonel Gaddafi wants to 'abolish' Switzerland

Quote:
Libyan leader Colonel Gaddafi is set to ask the United Nations to 'abolish' Switzerland and share the land among its neighbouring countries.
The eccentric dictator has filed a motion with the U.N. saying the Alpine state should be wiped off the map and split among France, Italy and Germany.
Gaddafi is set to present his bizarre plan when Libya takes over the year-long presidency of the U.N. general Assembly on September 15.

Is anyone still taking this guy seriously?



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User currently offlineAviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2473 posts, RR: 35
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4671 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 19):
Is anyone still taking this guy seriously?

No one ever has.  Wink

IMO, the time has come to stop all relations with this country.


User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3007 posts, RR: 48
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4656 times:
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Quoting Aviationmaster (Reply 20):
No one ever has.  

IMO, the time has come to stop all relations with this country.

He picked the right moment to come forward with such a statement. Now our government can't reply, as they're waiting for the hostages to be released. If they condemn his statements, he will retaliate and keep them in Libya even longer. I wonder what will happen next...



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4621 times:



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 21):
such a statement.

and what ? Nobody in the world will take notice really. He in the past already "divided up" Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt and Tunisia. So that there is no reason for panic ......


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 8740 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4595 times:



Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 9):
From what I remember, the two (Morroccan / Tunisian) servants, who got beaten by Ghaddafi´s son, retracted their accusations soon after the son´s arrest. From what I´ve heard they and their families received threats from the Lybian government.

Gaddaffi Duck is not threatening. Their folks in Libya haven't been seen lately..

I really wonder what's happening with Switzerland-. How can Mr. Merz depart TIP without the two Swiss hostages on board. may be he should hjave consulted with Bill Clinton and sk him how things are done properly.

To be honest, if Gaddaffi Duck gets a majority vote in the UN to dissolve Switzerland, us Germans, should think twice which cantons we rellay want. Basel Stadt and Land is OK. and we take the Gold Coast as well....

 Big grin  Cool



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

Please, people should not get so bent out of shape for an empty apology to a dictator's family. This is diplomacy.


oh boy!!!
25 Racko : I like the idea. We'll take it. As compensation and to assure the balance of power Poland can have half of East Germany.
26 PanHAM : That would greatly improve matters in MacPomm and parts of Brandenburg. .
27 Post contains links Us330 : Clearly they have. If they didn't apologize to Gaddafi, there's a distinct chance that Switzerland might not exist after late September. http://www.n
28 Post contains links ManuCH : This is getting more and more funny everyday. Now a local politician wants to "declare war to Libya" and "free our hostages by using our armed forces"
29 Dreadnought : I hardly think that Bignasca's statements are "as low as Gaddafi's". He does have a valid point that Gaddafi has launched an existential threat to Sw
30 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : no, no, according to the Great Dictator you will get all German speaking parts ! - whenever it is not exactly helpful, I do not believe that it reall
31 PanHAM : so we have no choice and have to take all of Heidiland including Appenzell and Uri? Now, seriously, I don't envy Swiss politicians. They represent a
32 ME AVN FAN : - Nobody seriously considers such a thing. But as generations here joked about the uselessness of armed forces with at times more tanks than those of
33 Post contains images ManuCH : Here's what the Sunday newspaper "Il Mattino" posted yesterday. OK, "Il Mattino" is probably the most trashy newspaper you can dream of buying in Swit
34 Oly720man : Just finished reading "Journey into Madness" by Gordon Thomas and in it there was a reference to CIA intelligence from the early 1980s that Gaddafi h
35 ME AVN FAN : But what do those people at "Mattino" have in mind ? > assets ? Switzerland has more assets in Libya then the other way round > boycott ? Switzerland
36 ManuCH : Really nothing useful, they're the official "venting outlet" of a very original political party in Ticino (the "Lega", even more far right than the S
37 LTU932 : What about Liechtenstein? I know they're not part of Switzerland, but something has to be done with them. Will it become German as well or will they
38 ManuCH : Yes, much much worse, rest assured . They are outright derogatory and flame away in a very kindergarden-like fashion, it's almost unbelievable.
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