DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16802 posts, RR: 57 Posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4116 times:
So in the vein of the Climate Change and Evolution debates,
I challenge anyone here to convince me that the world is round.
Those fake pics supposedly taken by "astronauts" are not valid evidence. Anyone can paint a pretty picture.
PROVE it to me!
"After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree." -Rev 7:1
Force13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4089 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter): After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree." -Rev 7:1
Then again, maybe not.
Do not taunt. Do not shake. Do not pander. Add coffee. Subject should be slightly human within an hour.
Do you mind having several hundred rockets strapped to your butt? If you don't, and we can scrounge up some surplus astronaut suits, we'll be all set to prove it to you.
Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52 Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4073 times:
I challenge anyone here to convince me that the world is round.
Those fake pics supposedly taken by "astronauts" are not valid evidence. Anyone can paint a pretty picture.
PROVE it to me!
Perhaps the best way to prove that Earth is not a complete circle, and shaped more like an orange (flatter on top and bottom) is to study the great circle navigation routes flown by airplanes equipped with INS and GPS. The distance across the North Pole from Alaska to Finland is actually about 200nm shorter than it would be if flying over a perfect curviture of the Earth. You get the same phonimina when flying from the Southern Tip on South America (Chile and the Straits of Megelian) to Austrailia over the South Pole.
Do you also believe those pictures and films of the US Astronauts on the Moon was actually taken in a movie studio set in London, too?
Quote: You can also observe, with binoculars, ships slowly 'sinking' below the horizon as it sails farther and farther out to the ocean, then watch them come back. They certainly didn't fall off the edge of the earth! You can also sail or fly around the world.
The Greeks discovered that the earth is round by observing lunar eclipses (i.e. when the earth blocks the sun from the moon, casting its round shadow on the moon's surface).
Another method is simultaneously measuring the length of the shadows cast by identical poles perpendicular to a flat surface that is tangential to the earth's radius at various, distant locations. If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface. (This was one of the earliest methods to determine the radius of the earth)
Also, keep in mind the 24 hour time zones. When it is noon in Hawaii, it is approximately midnight in the Middle East and vice versa. How can it be noon and midnight simultaneously? It is certainly impossible with a flat earth and a sun millions of times more massive.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10241 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4053 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter): Those fake pics supposedly taken by "astronauts" are not valid evidence. Anyone can paint a pretty picture.
How about all the live casts from the Intenational Space Station showing the Earth in the background when the astronauts are doing the EVAs?
Is this made in a studio you think?
A lot of cults and religious whackos are still pretending that the Earth is flat.
Would you rather believe in these cults than in the live images coming from Space?
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 7752 posts, RR: 22 Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3986 times:
The higher you are, the more pronounced is the curvature of the earth. So go to the top of any high mountain with a yardstick, try to match the yardstick to the horizon, and that should do it.
I'm telling you to go there youself, since you don't want to accept photographic evidence.
NorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2804 posts, RR: 41 Reply 11, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3936 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9): The higher you are, the more pronounced is the curvature of the earth. So go to the top of any high mountain with a yardstick, try to match the yardstick to the horizon, and that should do it.
Short of this... rent/buy/steal a business jet and take it up to 45000'+, the curvature is quite obvious... or better yet borrow some other high altitude research aircraft (U2/TR1 would work, or a WB-57...).
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 12701 posts, RR: 80 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3892 times:
Well I've seen the curve of the Earth, seven times from 58-60,000 feet.
(But then in a few years time, some will say that no way did airline passengers between 1976 and 2003 travel at Mach 2. Because we don't do it now, therefore it never happened in the first place, 'cos technology is 'better' now and we ain't doing it!.
Hey, if that 'logic' is good enough enough for Apollo conspiracy types...........)
MarSciGuy From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 549 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
I challenge anyone here to convince me that the world is round.
Those fake pics supposedly taken by "astronauts" are not valid evidence. Anyone can paint a pretty picture.
PROVE it to me!
"After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree." -Rev 7:1
[Edited 2009-08-26 09:03:17]
blue and green flashes of any astronomical body setting on the horizon when you are at sea on a mostly clear day/night with no haze on the horizon and no serious seas...I've seen green and blue flashes of the sun, moon and venus - nearly every night for a week straight several years ago for the sun, and a couple nights running for the moon and venus.
The flashes are caused by refracted light through the sea surface as the astronomical body falls below the horizon. You have to be looking at just the right moment, but damn, is it cool!
...(I, too, hope you are joking btw )
"There weren't a ton of gnats there where a ton of gnats and their families as well!"
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3791 times:
Phoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3777 times:
Quoting JRadier (Reply 17): But the good thing is that if you defeat them the princess they were keeping will love you until eternity! (Heard she is quite a looker too!)
Ummmmm doc wouldn't really care if the princess loved him....he rather have the dungeon master show him some love
Life only makes sense when you look at it backwards.
Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2657 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3775 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
How about all the live casts from the Intenational Space Station showing the Earth in the background when the astronauts are doing the EVAs?
Filmed at the same studio they used to fake the moon landings. With some help from Industrial Light and Magic. They had to crop out the Death Star about to obliterate the earth.
JRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4597 posts, RR: 51 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3749 times:
Quoting Phoenix9 (Reply 19):
Ummmmm doc wouldn't really care if the princess loved him....he rather have the dungeon master show him some love butthead
I recon doing it with a dragon is damn hot.....
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and ther
JetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2964 posts, RR: 5 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
Us330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3741 posts, RR: 15 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3717 times:
I was going to use the ship over the horizon example, but somebody already posted it.
Oh, and if anybody can't tell that he is being sarcastic, just read his other posts.
Phoenix9 From Canada, joined Aug 2007, 2546 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3702 times:
Quoting Us330 (Reply 23): Oh, and if anybody can't tell that he is being sarcastic, just read his other posts
Nah....you can't be serious.....really???
But all of you are wrong. We live inside hollow earth. That is why things are how they seem or that is what THEY want us to think
Life only makes sense when you look at it backwards.
25 JeffSFO: If you go out far enough into the Pacific Ocean off San Francisco, you'll see the Golden Gate Bridge slip below the horizon. It's not the sea swallowi
27 JeffSFO: Nope. I took them myself. Don't believe me? Go out and see for yourself.
28 Phoenix9: ...hit and a miss! I was being sarcastic.
29 JeffSFO: It was addressed to any subversive Flat Earth Society naysayers.
30 Steeler83: Heck, I watched the Lewes-Cape May Ferri disappear off the horizon towards Delaware, and then return again. Last time I checked, it is impossible to p
31 DocLightning: The earth is disk-shaped. Powerful magnetic fields around the edge move things faster or slower making it seem so, yes. Los Angeles. Was STAR WARS re
32 Dc9northwest: Good thread, Doc. Really, the only way to truly believe anything is to see it/see signs for yourself. I could say the world doesn't exist, we're all i
33 Us330: Columbus isn't a good example---Magellan's a better one. Columbus sailed west, and then returned to Europe by sailing east. Looking at Columbus, one
35 Comorin: Everyone in the 20th century thought the Earth was round. They also started devising all sorts of tortuous ways to understand nature, like Physics and
36 Baroque: .nwod edispu gnieb drawkwa yrev si ti tub oN
37 NoWorries: When all else fails -- curl up with any good book on non-Euclidean geomtry -- the proof is on page 42.
38 AlexEU: Take a Concorde flight, and see it yourself
39 KC135TopBoom: uh oh......... But the ship sank? California finally fall into the ocean? Is that a new organization? CD or DVD? I think I'd rather be in a movie tha
40 MarSciGuy: OT, but when I was going to sea we tierd up at the Cape May Terminal whenever we were in port the last two years ...back on topic...out of curiousity
41 AlexEU: Just book a British Airways or Air France Concorde flight either CDG-JFK or LHR-JFK. I don´t see the problem?
42 ER757: Try this, then use logic Rent yourself a plane, and set a course to a specific compass heading. Continue along same heading and you will eventually co
43 AirframeAS: Whatever it is that you're smoking.... care to share??
44 Steeler83: Neither! I would be that according to Superfly and yours truely, it would be vinyl!! Or, better yet, and especially given the color of the water, why
45 BlueElephant: No Baroque...that is just backward. ˙uʍop ǝpısd∩ sı sıɥ⊥ And ⊥ɥıs ıs ndsıpǝ poʍu ɐup qɐɔʞʍɐɹps˙
46 Phoenix9: no, that is just uʍop ǝpısdn[Edited 2009-08-27 13:36:42]
47 LHR380: ummm, what? If Earth was flat, why are all other planets in the solar system round??
48 Phoenix9: What's a solar system? Planets? What are those? Some sort of exotic plants?
49 FuturePilot16: So I guess everything is fake then right? Things like atoms, and matter and stuff like that, especially in science, is just fake? Seriously, there ar
50 Ihadapheo: If the Earth was round the ice would fall off the poles. (Speaking of ice on the poles why did the ice sink in the new GI Joe movie?) If the Earth was
51 DXing: Look in the sink next time you let the water out. It goes round for a reason. Before anyone says a flat earth could spin, if it did gravity would not
52 Phoenix9: Coriolis effect can be explained if earth was disc shaped: Figure explanation from wikipedia (I know wikipedia but...): In the inertial frame of refe
65 Ihadapheo: Most pies are circles not round, though some pies are squarel, π can be rounded off as well
66 D L X: The world cannot exist as a flat rock because it is large. Its largeness means it also generates a lot of gravitational force. Because no material on
67 ER757: It's part of an old Vaudeville routine - one guy is talking about math equations and says pii R squared, the other guys replies - no pie are round.
68 Steeler83: I think you win, too! How about there are other objects floating about in the vacuum of space (stars and other planets) and that they are round as we
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