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Lockerbie Bomber Released For Oil Deal  
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

It looks like the Gordon Brown Government pressured the Scottish courts to release the man who played a key part in killing 240 innocent people, in order to help BP's negotiations for an oil deal in Libya. I wonder what the families are feeling about this now.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6814939.ece

Quote:
The British government decided it was "in the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom" to make Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber, eligible for return to Libya, leaked ministerial letters reveal.

Gordon Brown's government made the decision after discussions between Libya and BP over a multi-million-pound oil exploration deal had hit difficulties. These were resolved soon afterwards.

In addition, it appears that only one doctor - A GP, not a cancer expert - was willing to say that the man was about to die - the stated reason for his release. Other doctors and specialists who examined him refused to say that.

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/her...ahi_how_long_has_he_really_got.php

This certainly seems to corroborate the accusation that the government went looking for an excuse to release the dirtbag, and to hang their coat on any slightest reason they could find.

Governments have fallen for this kind of thing.


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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3556 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3124 times:

Let the spin machine begin. This sounded strange from the get go.

User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3125 times:

The question is, will the USA declare the UK to be part of the "axis of evil" and make a "unilateral intervention" in the interests of creating "enduring freedom" for the UK people?  Wink

Mind you, this kind of swindle isn't specific to the UK government. USA helping Saddam Hussein comes to mind as another example of turning a blind-eye to evil because it is convenient.


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3109 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 2):
Mind you, this kind of swindle isn't specific to the UK government. USA helping Saddam Hussein comes to mind as another example of turning a blind-eye to evil because it is convenient.

Saudi Arabia anyone?.


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3090 times:

The Oil rich 'less than exemplar' democracies and downright autocracies of the Middle East are still able to make all of the lesson-giving western governments wear their underpants on the outside if they want to in exchange for some of their oil...

Not a surprise, but it makes you long for the day we can power ourselves without begging those backwards governments for their sticky stuff.

Mind you, every one of these events brought to the light help raise awareness amongst us, so it might serve a purpose.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3087 times:

So basically, Brown yielded to the terrorist regime of Ghadaffi by releasing one of the Lockerbie bombers for the sake of oil? Great, I'm just waiting to hear how the general public will react to that, particularly the family of the victims, because this is could become a shitstorm of epic proportions.  Yeah sure

User currently offlineEvomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 451 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

As I understand it, all that happened is that the British Justice Minister, Jack Straw, declined to specifically exempt Megrahi from the UK-Libyan prisoner transfer treaty. Instead, it was a run of the mill "standard" treaty with no special clauses in it. This was quite possibly related to trade.

All well and good. Except it is irrelevant, because the Scottish Justce minister, Kenny Mckaskill, declined to transfer Megrahi to Libya under the terms of that treaty. If he had, Megrahi would right now be in a Libyan prison, or under house arrest. Instead, he released him on compassionate grounds, under Scottish law. It would be completely within his rights to do so whether or not this treaty existed, even if said treaty DID exempt Megrahi.

It doesn't look very good, but lets not let the hype cover up the actual process that happened. Release and transfer are two very different things, and some seem to be forgetting that.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Governments have fallen for this kind of thing.

Please God, let it be so. Almost all of us in this country have had enough of our lying, deceitful, beguiling so-called government. Shame on them!



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3045 times:

Of course Megrahi is very keen to keep the whole issue a secret.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8228219.stm

Megrahi backs Lockerbie inquiry
The man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing has backed calls for a public inquiry into the atrocity.

Speaking to Scotland's The Herald newspaper from his home in the Libyan capital, Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi said he was determined to clear his name.

He also said an inquiry would help families of the victims know the truth.


Yep, that sounds guilty and suspicious. No possibility that MacAskill was correct then? Good to be all knowing.


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3035 times:



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
So basically, Brown yielded to the terrorist regime of Ghadaffi by releasing one of the Lockerbie bombers for the sake of oil

- And now Ghadaffi wants to come to New York to go to the U.N. and he wants to pitch a tent in New Jersey. Does anyone have "Tony Soprano's" cell phone number?  banghead   blockhead   box   duck   sarcastic 



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Kyrgyzstan, joined Jul 2007, 7633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3033 times:
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Quoting Baroque (Reply 8):
Yep, that sounds guilty and suspicious. No possibility that MacAskill was correct then? Good to be all knowing.

You may ultimately be right, Alan. However, there is no underestimating the sneakiness and guile of our government, and as I have previously said there are no positives here - either we jailed an innocent man or we let a terrorist murderer go free.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13805 posts, RR: 63
Reply 11, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
So basically, Brown yielded to the terrorist regime of Ghadaffi by releasing one of the Lockerbie bombers for the sake of oil? Great, I'm just waiting to hear how the general public will react to that, particularly the family of the victims, because this is could become a shitstorm of epic proportions. Yeah sure

Basically with the release, the Scottish (and British) governments have also prevented a re-trial with new evidence, which would have put strong questionmarks on previous actions by various governments and would possibly have caused politician´s heads to roll.

Jan

[Edited 2009-08-30 02:08:35]

User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3017 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
Quoting Baroque (Reply 8):
Yep, that sounds guilty and suspicious. No possibility that MacAskill was correct then? Good to be all knowing.

You may ultimately be right, Alan. However, there is no underestimating the sneakiness and guile of our government, and as I have previously said there are no positives here - either we jailed an innocent man or we let a terrorist murderer go free.

Agreed on most fronts RJ, but don't underestimate the sneakiness of other governments just because the UK one has had its spectacular moments. As Jan suggests, the odds are that an innocent man was jailed and in that sense the real sneakiness comes in:

1. Doing that in the first place, and

2. Not being willing to go through with the recommendations for the appeal by Megrahi.

You could hardly call Jim Swire either uninterested or uninformed (or stupid or duplicitous for that matter)

From 2008.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-19419627.html

Article: Swire: I will carry on appeal if Megrahi dies in jail Lockerbie bomber denied bail EXCLUSIVE

THE father of a woman killed over Lockerbie yesterday vowed to stand in and continue the appeal of the Libyan convicted of the bombing if he dies "before justice is done".

Dr Jim Swire, whose daughter Flora, 23, died in the tragedy 20 years ago, has taken legal advice and believes he would be able to pursue the case if Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi cannot.

The revelation came after Megrahi lost his application to be released from jail pending appeal. Three judges at the Court of Criminal Appeal in Edinburgh took a week to make the decision and said the argument to release him was currently outweighed by the scale of the atrocity.


Aug 2009
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...iscarriage-of-justice-1771887.html

Leading article: Come clean over this miscarriage of justice

The evidence in the Lockerbie trial must be thoroughly re-examined

....

Yet the fact is that this particular agreement does not look like a Western attempt to curry favour with the Libyan regime. It is doubtful whether al-Megrahi should have been convicted in the first place. Al-Megrahi is unlikely to be a saint, having worked for the Libyan intelligence services for a number of years. But the evidence linking him to the Lockerbie bombing has looked increasingly weak since his conviction in 2001.

In that trial, held in a specially convened court in the Netherlands, al-Megrahi was positively identified by a witness who, it has been alleged, was offered a $2m reward for his evidence. The Libyan's defence team was also, apparently, denied access to official government papers that were made available to Scottish police. Furthermore, evidence has emerged that the Iranian regime sponsored the bombing. One former Iranian agent has come forward to claim that it was revenge for the shooting down of an Iranian commercial airliner by a US warship in July 1988. Taken together, all this provides serious grounds for believing that a miscarriage of justice took place.

Some doubt whether we will ever discover conclusive proof of who was responsible for the mass murder in Lockerbie, arguing that too much time has passed. But it would be wrong simply to give up trying to discover what happened. Even if al-Megrahi is permitted to return to Libya to die, his appeal against his conviction should run its course. The evidence against him – and the Libyan state – must be thoroughly tested.

So much about this tragedy remains shrouded in shadow. If it cannot be dragged into the light, we should at least attempt to establish what we do not know. And if the wrong individual was convicted for this terrible crime, the authorities must not be allowed to sweep that uncomfortable fact under the carpet.


Now we don't want to think about shooting down passenger planes again do we?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3005 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
the Gordon Brown Government pressured the Scottish courts to release the man who played a key part in killing 240 innocent people, in order to help BP's negotiations for an oil deal in Libya. I wonder what the families are feeling about this now.

I hope, the families have long ago realized that this was just one of those somehow involved. Citing the word "key" you used above, I have to say that there were many keys. Some may feel understandably bitter, but they in such a case could have felt even more bitter about the clear fact that most "keypart" players never had to be in court


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26508 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3002 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 7):
Please God, let it be so. Almost all of us in this country have had enough of our lying, deceitful, beguiling so-called government. Shame on them!

I hope they fall for other more important reasons for things they have done to the country other than the controversial Lockerbie issue.



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User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13046 posts, RR: 78
Reply 15, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

The one problem with this theory is that the Labour government and the SNP up in Scotland, hate each other.
I mean really hate each other.

The feuds within the Scottish Labour Party have been bad enough over the years, most of the Scots in the government from 1997 had a range of personal feuds going back decades.

If one thing ever united them however, it is abject loathing for the SNP.

This is something not alluded to, in a story from a Murdoch paper (and thus suspect by default).

Not saying there is murkiness around this case, there are, as others have pointed out, enough questions going back years anyway, the differing reactions to the US and British relatives of the victims is notable.

And if the SNP thought they'd get any political capitol out this release, well polling evidence, in Scotland itself, shows a clear majority were opposed to the release of this man.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2985 times:



Quoting GDB (Reply 15):
I mean really hate each other.

Indeed. Which is why I ain't buying this theory.



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

I just wish Cameron and the Opposition would grab the opportunity to raise questions in the Commons about the whole episode and find out exactly what deals were agreed and by whom. Chances are Cameron knows more than he will admit proving that there were deals agreed in the highest corridors of power and a retrial of Megrahi would only bring these to light.

Ever since His Tonyness was elected under the promise of being "purer that pure", this government has become totally engulfed by ministers up to their eyeballs in sleaze, corruption and lies. Before Blair, would anyone have believed anything the Libyans are saying? Now they are believed as much as Brown's government.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12883 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2964 times:

It is interesting to note that BP has it's world headquarters only a few blocks from the Houses of Palrament.
What happened here was a terrible mix of issues.
You had one of the worst terror acts involving aircraft happen. As with such acts, it is almost impossible to really determine who did them or were behind them. Evidence was destroyed, there was much less of a paper or electornic trail to trace to criminal evidence stanadards in 1988 than now to help and people involved were able to hide their identies more easily.
Lybia was a believable supporter of this act of terror due to the attempts under then Pres. Reagan of the USA to murder Qudaffi for his support of terror against Israel with a bombing of his housing compound, killing at least one of his daughters and injuring others.
There was not enough security for international air flights at that time and indeed PA 103 did force a step up in the standards world wide and with flights involving the USA (such as baggage-pax matching).
You had citizens of the USA and families of the vicitms of PA 103 that wanted any kind of revenge against those that did it. Lybia faced substantual economic and trade sanctions from the USA and Europe including on oil sales, just making the situation worse.
Eventually the need for oil by the world and Lybia's need for income caused deals to be made that paid off the vicitms families but never gain real justice.
The justice process was was terrible mix that was intended, especially for Lybia, to be not worth the effort, comprimised UK/Scottish laws, had questions of evidence and political pressures from the USA resulting in a show trial with only 1 person convicted.
That no real justice was done and indeed that the appeal pending could have overthrown the convictons requiered saving face as well as end the sactions as they were of no real value. Lybia was able to show that they could beat the USA and Europe in politics, to the benefit of Qudaffi and make him look like the hero he wanted to be to the Islamic world.
In the end, we never were able to resolve this matter for anyone's satisfaction. Perhaps it is better to just move on.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13805 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2944 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 18):
Lybia was a believable supporter of this act of terror due to the attempts under then Pres. Reagan of the USA to murder Qudaffi for his support of terror against Israel with a bombing of his housing compound, killing at least one of his daughters and injuring others.

The reason for this bombing was an attack on a nightclub frequented by American GIs in West Berlin. A bomb was explosed in this nightclub, killing three people, two GIs and a young Turkish woman.
It was immediately assumed that the bomb was put into place by Libyan agents, especially since Libya and the US were at this time at odds due to Ghaddafi´s insistence that the Gulf of Sidra, a huge bay in the Mediterranean, should be Libyan territory, while about anybody else says that it is international waters (except for the usual 12 mile zone).
There were several fights between the American 6th Fleet, Italian airforce and the Libyan navy and airforce in this region.

Ghaddafi also supported the IRA (in the 1980s the British captured a Libyan ship with a load of explosives and weapons intended for the IRA), so Attila the Hen, Margaret Thatcher, was only too eager to support the Americans in bombing Ghaddafi´s headquarters and residence.
Later information coming from the former East German intelligence service archives suddenly made accessible after the fall of the Berlin Wall rather pointed to the nightclub bomb having been placed by Syrian sponsored terrorists.

Jan


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2928 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 18):

Lybia was
Qudaffi for
Lybia faced
Lybia's need

A) The name of the country is LIBYA
B) The name in question can be transliterated differently but a Qu.... never existed


User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2883 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 2):
The question is, will the USA declare the UK to be part of the "axis of evil" and make a "unilateral intervention" in the interests of creating "enduring freedom" for the UK people?

Mind you, this kind of swindle isn't specific to the UK government. USA helping Saddam Hussein comes to mind as another example of turning a blind-eye to evil because it is convenient.

First off, the axis of evil was coined by Bush, who is now retired in texas. Second, back when the U.S. helped Saddam, it was more to get rid of Iran, not for oil.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 16):
Indeed. Which is why I ain't buying this theory.

Of course you don't. No one wants to believe that their country does this sort of thing. But oil is one of the most precious commodities on earth. Anything that will look after a country's oil interests, they will listen.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24815 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2869 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 21):
But oil is one of the most precious commodities on earth. Anything that will look after a country's oil interests, they will listen.

You really don't understand just how much hatred there is between Labour and the SNP, do you?  Wink



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User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2003 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2868 times:



Quoting Gkirk (Reply 22):
You really don't understand just how much hatred there is between Labour and the SNP, do you?

Or how much oil Scotland already has access to anyway.  Wink



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User currently offlineFCA767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2854 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 21):
Second, back when the U.S. helped Saddam, it was more to get rid of Iran, not for oil.

Some articles said they also helped the present iran government get in power due to an oil thing they had...and now we see what's happened in Iran.
I don't like what's happened and I think it's sick that it's always to do with oil...
Why don't they move to Renewable sources, probably because there are some greedy companies out there...and if we relied on ourselves we wouldn't be giving money out..............


25 Baroque : Interesting concept, pleased to learn this, but slightly puzzled as to why - if it is so - the US wastes so much.
26 Us330 : Absolutely shameful. BP might be facing a public boycott as news of this spreads. To think, while people speculated and continue to speculate that Hal
27 QANTAS077 : it has been known to happen, seriously, does anyone here believe that the UK & Scottish govt would allow this man to go free if he really was the bom
28 YVRLTN : There was a thread recently about the top 10 conspiracy theories. Much was said about the death of JFK, but if there was ever a "conspiracy" this is
29 Pellegrine : Lockerbie? 20-some years later it is really time to move on. I'm sorry. Blood for oil? Never! Is the public so naive? Tens of thousands did not die in
30 Post contains links YVRLTN : Jack Straw is denying it all http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8229193.stm
31 Evomutant : " target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8...3.stm Who's that sick guy? I heard Megrahi was faking it all, so it can't be him. And deal or
32 Post contains links QANTAS077 : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8216466.stm look at the photo in the two stories, its him.
33 IH8BY : To be fair - and don't get me wrong, this is no endorsement of the current government - the last Conservative government was also drowning in its own
34 Post contains links MadameConcorde : This one does not surprise me. I never believed this man was "terminally ill". MEGRAHI ‘GETTING BETTER THE cancer-stricken Lockerbie bomber, far fro
35 Baroque : And it you listen to interviews with the Journo whose byline appears, he keeps on stating, X met Gaddafi and so that must have been about the BP leas
36 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Oh and this... We are learning something new every day... US offered 'millions' to keep bomber in UK Revealed: Britain and America's major disagreemen
37 BCAL : The sleaze that certain Conservatives Ministers were into in the late 1990s was like some nuns caught whispering in the chapel compared to the presen
38 ME AVN FAN : this must be the healthy climate of Libya ! "tainted" is a mild expression for a "trial" with faulted and corrupted evidence, with a trial where the
39 Bongodog1964 : I knew this was all true, when Mandelson dismissed it as preposterous, a bigger liar you would be hard put to find. The Tory sleaze all looks quite i
40 ME AVN FAN : All this is almost irrelevant in this business. The U.K. simply got rid of a person who was involved in a crime but in reality just was a minor figur
41 AGM100 : I just got to see the home coming celebration in Libya for the ..gentleman. Sorry but I was hoping a couple of 2000lb JADAM were on there way down to
42 ME AVN FAN : Anybody having a question about this ? Muammar and Hannibal K. ARE deranged.
43 BCAL : Here are the ten unanswered questions over the extraordinary decision to release Megrahi. 1 Why Did Saif Gaddafi say Megrahi's case was 'on the table'
44 BCAL : It has just been announced the UK Government and Scottish executive will today release all their correspondence over the Lockerbie bomber's release in
45 Bongodog1964 : It just shows the contempt that our rulers show to us the electorate, in that as the Scottish justice minister was waffling on and on and on, so long
46 NIKV69 : Jeez Monty then why was he locked up to begin with? This is no surprise and just shows that the UK will negotiate with terrorists. Way to go Scotland
47 PPVRA : Am I the only one who's surprised to hear his name again? I had completely forgotten about him. Too bad it didn't stay that way.
48 Evomutant : I found it mildly interesting while browsing these documents that the US Government refused permission for correspondence between them and the Scottis
49 Post contains links Baroque : So you will be interested in this link to Rear Vision - always helpful for things in the past!! Sorry to quote at such length, but it appears some do
50 Connies4ever : Both excellent lines If when the US helped Saddam it was not about oil then, then when the US eliminated Saddam, was THAT about oil ?
51 LTBEWR : It's interesting that the release of Megrahi has become a huge political scandal in the UK - as it should be. At least one leading politican there is
52 ME AVN FAN : mainly for two reasons. One is the fairly weak "central" government in London and one is the "difficult" relationship between that London government
53 Post contains links Bwest : Jack Straw admits Lockerbie bomber's release was linked to oil Simply disgusting...
54 Baroque : And there was me thinking that Jack Straw was a member of the House of Commons.
55 Post contains links Baroque : What he actually said hardly bears out the headline, but heck we only deal in headlines here.: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8239572.stm
56 BigBadBoo : Just like the USA did with the IRA, to get hostages released from Beirut, to get the hostages released from Iran, and no doubt will again if the thre
57 Connies4ever : Alan - I think the recent press identify him as Justice Secretary, I don't think they're all wrong. And this would be different from the US relations
58 Post contains links Baroque : Indeed he is JS of the UK, but NOT of Scotland. And it was Scotland wot had Al M in the clink. So it was Scotland to make the decision and not Mr Str
59 Bwest : " target=_blank>http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2...7_ITM WTF is your problem? I can't say anything about what happens in the world because there'
60 Baroque : My "problem" is that: 1. The headline bore scant response to what Straw actually said, as even the Tele managed to report. 2. Even if it had, Straw c
61 Bwest : Still doesn't explain the "oh look, Belgium has scandals too, so you should shut up" reply. Besides, I think it's pretty naïve to think the UK govern
62 Baroque : And your evidence for this would be???????
63 Type-Rated : It's all about the oil.... He who controls it wins.....
64 Post contains links OA260 : 'U-turn' for PM on Libyan pay-out Gordon Brown has confirmed the UK will support compensation claims being made against Libya by IRA victims' families
65 Baroque : You would think the logic of this would be rather simple to figure out. Especially as US victims of the IRA have already been in the US courts gettin
66 Post contains links OA260 : Another twist :: PSNI officers training Libyan police Friday, 18 September 2009 13:05 It has emerged that serving PSNI officers have been involved in
67 Babybus : If he becomes a PM one day his treasury will be benefitting from the tax income this oil deal provided. He won't be asking too many questions.
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