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The U.S. Military Is Packing Up To Leave Iraq!  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

The nightmare that is Iraq is coming to an end. Operations are already underway to remove the U.S. military from the country according to the Associated Press.

"The U.S. military is packing up to leave Iraq in what has been deemed the largest movement of manpower and equipment in modern military history — shipping out more than 1.5 million pieces of equipment from tanks to antennas along with a force the size of a small city. The massive operation already under way a year ahead of the Aug. 31, 2010 deadline to remove all U.S. combat troops from Iraq shows the U.S. military has picked up the pace of a planned exit from Iraq that could cost billions."


Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090830/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq_moving_out


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3660 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The nightmare that is Iraq is coming to an end

Yea I always thought being able to be free and vote for who you want in power to be a nightmare. Was much better before we went in. A dictator gassing people. Sounds good to me!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5856 posts, RR: 39
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3656 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Yea I always thought being able to be free and vote for who you want in power to be a nightmare.

dictator makes way for a corrupt and equally brutal leader, yep, that's democracy for ya.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Well, see ya!!!. I hope Iraq continues on this path. But now, they're mostly on their own. I only hope democracy works there, because I would hate to know that we lost 4,500 soldiers there for nothing. The Iraqi people need to understand that this is their time and it is up to them to not harbor these terrorists. The enemy is leaving, but for some reason, I still see a lot of sectarian violence in the future.


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User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3626 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
ea I always thought being able to be free and vote for who you want in power to be a nightmare

I think that I would get a different response from MANY of the families of U.S./NATO servicemen and women killed or maimed in the Iraq invasion.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3623 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Yea I always thought being able to be free and vote for who you want in power to be a nightmare. Was much better before we went in. A dictator gassing people.

That's not why we went in - that's the most tired line in the book. Are you really so concerned about people being gassed or oppressed? Doubtful. None of us are - and if we claim to be, we're hypocrites. Nobody here is picking up arms to go depose the rulers of any number of countries that are terrible to the people within their borders.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3619 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
That's not why we went in - that's the most tired line in the book. Are you really so concerned about people being gassed or oppressed? Doubtful. None of us are - and if we claim to be, we're hypocrites. Nobody here is picking up arms to go depose the rulers of any number of countries that are terrible to the people within their borders.

Very true, when will we see Zimbabwe or Myanmar liberated?



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3588 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
That's not why we went in - that's the most tired line in the book. Are you really so concerned about people being gassed or oppressed? Doubtful. None of us are - and if we claim to be, we're hypocrites. Nobody here is picking up arms to go depose the rulers of any number of countries that are terrible to the people within their borders.

Excuse me, but I happen to have a lot of Kurdish friends who could not be happier that Saddam is dead as well as I am. That man ruined the lives of millions of people. Also, lets not forget here how ungrateful a lot of the Iraqis are. We went and got rid of their dictator and when we didn't leave immediately after that, they started shooting at us and blowing us up. Lets remember that most of the Iraqi insurgents were regular citizens who didn't want the U.S. to be there much longer. And yes I do think that the world is a better place without Saddam. We went in for the wrong reasons, but at least the Iraqi people have the freedom to criticize their gov't without worrying that they will get their hands chopped off.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 4):
I think that I would get a different response from MANY of the families of U.S./NATO servicemen and women killed or maimed in the Iraq invasion.

I think a lot of the family of service members would respond in a positive way because they don't want to give the impression taht their loved one was killed for nothing. So your assumption is wrong. A lot of people I know who went to Iraq said that their job isn't to question the war, but to do what they're told. So please avoid the assumption that EVERYONE hated what they were doing there. And despite what you see in the media, some good was done there.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5856 posts, RR: 39
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3585 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 7):
Excuse me, but I happen to have a lot of Kurdish friends who could not be happier that Saddam is dead as well as I am. That man ruined the lives of millions of people.

so, where were the US when old man Bush decided to pull out and leave the Kurds to the hands of Saddam back in the 90's? if any group should be pissed at Bush' then its the Kurds.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 7):
We went and got rid of their dictator and when we didn't leave immediately after that, they started shooting at us and blowing us up.

and backed a corrupt and equally brutal lapdog for leader, what happens when the Iraqi govt doesn't play ball? another war?

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 7):
Lets remember that most of the Iraqi insurgents were regular citizens who didn't want the U.S. to be there much longer.

you sure about that? I think you'll find a great deal came from that bastion of US friendship, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia...interesting bed-friends?

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 7):
at least the Iraqi people have the freedom to criticize their gov't without worrying that they will get their hands chopped off.

excuse me, this is total BS, the only real choice the Iraqi's have is to vote for whoever the US backs with their money...in cause you hadn't noticed, the number of large bombings is actually on the rise again.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3547 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
That's not why we went in - that's the most tired line in the book

Like it or not it is one of the reasons we went to Iraq. Saying it isn't true just flies in the face of a number of speeches made prior to the invasion. It certainly wasn't the only reason we went in but some people just want to ignore that since it's convienent.


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Absolutely great news.

Iraq is a sh*t hole.


User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3507 times:



Quoting DXing (Reply 9):
Like it or not it is one of the reasons we went to Iraq. Saying it isn't true just flies in the face of a number of speeches made prior to the invasion. It certainly wasn't the only reason we went in but some people just want to ignore that since it's convienent.

Well not really - I can't remember a single speech that spoke expressly of the plight of the Iraqi people and how badly they needed rescue from their tyrant. It was mentioned, yes, but it wasn't paraded as the leading and morally righteous point from which the war was to be propagated. That's just insulting.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2449 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3501 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 6):
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
That's not why we went in - that's the most tired line in the book. Are you really so concerned about people being gassed or oppressed? Doubtful. None of us are - and if we claim to be, we're hypocrites. Nobody here is picking up arms to go depose the rulers of any number of countries that are terrible to the people within their borders.

Very true, when will we see Zimbabwe or Myanmar liberated?

Or DR CONGO!!! Two civil wars, with the involvement of 6+ regional countries' forces. 2-5 million dead (who really knows?), millions more maimed, raped, and forced into war and enslavement. Absolvement from dictators...Where is the west?



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3491 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):
Absolvement from dictators...Where is the west?

It's Africa - nobody cares, plain and simple. Colonialism is gone, but complacency remains.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

If Saddam was really the culprit in this, the US or the UK could have sent secret servivce agents to whack Saddam instead of making these two horrible wars that killed hundreds of thousands and destroyed so much.

Iraq was once Mesopotamia, the heart of an ancient civilization.

There are always other alternatives to war.

The trouble is they are doing the same in Afghanistan. Soon they will start the same in Iran, maybe even worse again for some false reason. This is all wrong.

Think how many people in the world can be fed and cured with all that war money.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3483 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 12):
Or DR CONGO!!! Two civil wars, with the involvement of 6 regional countries' forces. 2-5 million dead (who really knows?), millions more maimed, raped, and forced into war and enslavement. Absolvement from dictators...Where is the west?

I'm afraid the West sponsored the coup against DR Congo's only democratically-elected leader and then conspired in his very gruesome murder.

The U.S. and the Belgians assisted Mobutu Sese Seko's coup d'etat against the charismatic and educated Patrice Lumumba, then supported Sese Seko's brutal totalitarian rule for many years.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3476 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14):
Think how many people in the world can be fed and cured with all that war money.

Nobody wants to think that way - it makes too much sense to be real.



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User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3454 times:
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PM Nouri al Maliki has hinted that US troops could remain past the deadline! Guess we'll see on that one.

I've been here almost six years and it's time for us to go home and let the Iraqi's fend for themselves. Most of them only care about increasing their own wealth at the expense of their countrymen. Maliki is so incompetent that he can't take a dump without asking one of his "advisors" on how to do it, provided it meets with Tehran's approval!

And the Iraqi work ethic?  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 10):
Iraq is a sh*t hole.

Truer words were never spoken!  bigthumbsup 

We're outta here!



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3450 times:
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Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Yea I always thought being able to be free and vote for who you want in power to be a nightmare.

Ha, well that all depends on whether you're too scared to step outside your front door for fear of terrorists attacks, kidnappings and random acts of violence. A true paradise of 'liberty'.

Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
The nightmare that is Iraq is coming to an end.

I doubt that very much.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 7):
Also, lets not forget here how ungrateful a lot of the Iraqis are.

And you think that's all it's about? Ingratitude? How ridiculous.



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User currently offlineFca767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 1763 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3441 times:



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 5):
Are you really so concerned about people being gassed or oppressed?

What do you mean! Don't speak for all of us! alot of us are concerned about the way country's treat their people...But as for some governents like ours and the one over the water,

It seems to be alot about oil...

Iran = Before this bad leader came in, said western country made sure that this leader was put in because of oil, I only read this from articles recently...

Iraq = Oil though I used to believe it was because of how he treated people

Libya = Oil

I see a pattern...and it's sad


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7703 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
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Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 17):
I've been here almost six years and it's time for us to go home and let the Iraqi's fend for themselves. Most of them only care about increasing their own wealth at the expense of their countrymen. Maliki is so incompetent that he can't take a dump without asking one of his "advisors" on how to do it, provided it meets with Tehran's approval!

So, all in all you would say it was worth the heavy civilian and military casualties this folly has led to? Sure sounds like you're confirming everything I suspected - that this tripe about liberty and democray is all a nonsense.



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3434 times:



Quoting BA (Reply 6):
when will we see Zimbabwe or Myanmar liberated?

Do they have oil reserves?


User currently offlineFridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3428 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 20):

I don't know RJ, I just don't know. I hope it was. We did want freedom and democracy for them, but did they want it? Time will tell.

[Edited 2009-08-31 02:00:59]


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3385 times:



Quoting Fca767 (Reply 19):

What do you mean! Don't speak for all of us! alot of us are concerned about the way country's treat their people

I'm not saying we don't care - but we don't generally care anymore than what we vocalize or react to when watching television. If we really cared, we'd be volunteering somewhere or joining whatever army will take down the oppressors.

That's just a fact. Concern is relative to action.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12564 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3373 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 1):
Yea I always thought being able to be free and vote for who you want in power to be a nightmare.

Good thing most of us in the US used that power to vote for someone who sees that even with the world's most advanced military we can't solve every problem.



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25 Post contains links DXing : If it makes it into the State of the Union speech you can bet it got more than a mention elsewhere. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...s/transcri
26 N229NW : I hope this is true, but I highly doubt it. Iraq will be an unstable hellhole for a long time. From the point of view of those living there, infrastr
27 FuturePilot16 : That wasn't our war. Back in the 90s, the agenda was to get Saddam out of Kuwait, not to "liberate" Iraq, (which still wasn't out agenda a few years
28 HAWK21M : For the troops.As for the civilians left behind...Hopefully democracy continues. regds MEL.
29 RussianJet : Yes, allowed to flourish because of this almighty screw-up of a war. I'm sure many people did want rid of Saddam and to have democracy, but what make
30 FuturePilot16 : You still don't get it. After the civil war in the U.S. we were in the same situation. If the people want to live in peace, they have to advocate if
31 RussianJet : I don't recall Iraq as a country asking for a US-led invasion. This was a situation that we in the west made - nobody else. We started this, we are r
32 Baroque : Cannot argue with that my friend. Alas also cannot argue with this either. Bit of a worry that this still comes as a surprise. There is a reason, it
33 Charles79 : Folks, this is now water behind the bridge (or something like that, you know what I mean). I did oppose the invasion of Iraq back in 2003 and still t
34 Seb146 : But, how can that be? Right-wingers have been assuring Americans that Obama is continuing the occupation after he was promising in the campaign he wo
35 Radarbeam : So, did you guys found those WMD's afterall?
36 Post contains links Baroque : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8230017.stm Gen McChrystal also wants more engagement with the Taliban fighters and believes that 60% of the pro
37 Fca767 : ah I see But I think we should all go to the country that is netral whichever that is...I like the sound of sweden Thanks for the clear up
38 Revelation : I heard this on the radio this AM and found it an interesting suggestion, but I'm not at all sure how he could make this happen. The Afgan government
39 FuturePilot16 : Well, that's why we live in the greatest country in the world. It can't happen here. Those people have never been happy, so it's up to them to decide
40 Seb146 : I think it is interesting that they were actually united under Saddam. He ordered the slaughter of opposition to him and his party, but, as long as t
41 RussianJet : An astonishingly simplistic assessment of a very complex country and situation. It is this ridiculous failure to understand that you can't just go im
42 StasisLAX : Ding! Ding! Ding!! We have a winner!!! Of course not, because American foreign policy is dominated by the need for US access to the cheapest possible
43 FuturePilot16 : Oh please, it's been like that through history. Do you think Alexandar the Great would have invaded the civilizations that he did, if there were no r
44 RussianJet : Excellent. An admission that the whole silly campaign was undertaken only for the gain of the US.
45 StealthZ : And you think the campaign was joined by the UK and others (including AUS) out of pure altruism? Those countries will also benefit from access to Ira
46 BA : It's called playing follow the leader.
47 StasisLAX : Game over!! Touche!
48 Baroque : Ay there is the rub and alas, the coalition of the billing has form in relation to this, best shown by the Rum(mie) remark about democracy being mess
49 RussianJet : No - which is why I have made no such assertion.
50 DXing : Well, water under a dam would be kind of a dangerous thing don't you think? Couldn't agree more with that last statement. Unfortunately our new admin
51 Seb146 : Who, in the previous administration, used the Pottery Barn "you break it, you buy it" analogy? The flaw here is: the United States bascially walked in
52 Charles79 : Wait, isn't a dam supposed to stop the water? Now I'm really confused... Well our new administration was elected under a mountain of expectations and
53 DXing : Yet poll after poll of Iraqi citizens says that they are happy that they were liberated. Go figure. Why do liberals have to treat people they don't k
54 Seb146 : But, when the Bush administration decided to invade, they didn't even know they wanted to be liberated, ESPECIALLY by foreign fighters. That is my po
55 DXing : Yep, just ignore the mass graves found full of people who were willing to bet their lives in rising up against Saddam in the early 90's. Really, why
56 UH60FtRucker : So because they are brutal to one another, have little to no regard for human life, and are fanatically driven by their religion... it's our responsi
57 DXing : That argument is apart and seperate from "they didn't even know they wanted to be liberated".
58 UH60FtRucker : I don't believe they ever wanted to be "liberated", and I use their behavior post liberation, as evidence. Like I said, it's not in their nature. Whe
59 DXing : You've been there and I haven't so I will take your word for it. If so then its a shame they look such a wonderful and expensive gift horse in the ey
60 Baroque : Gift horses. They have quite a history in that part of the world. Mmmmm. Perhaps they took the advice of Laocoon unlike the Trojans. According to Hom
61 Charles79 : UH60, I find this post very disturbing to say the least. I know you have been on the ground so I take it that you speak from personal experience. Whe
62 11Bravo : Perhaps, I guess we'll never know. I think it's a mistake to view this failure of Iraqi democracy as being attributable to something the US did, or d
63 TheCol : I think he meant "us" as a society. The vast majority of Western society couldn't give 2 shits about the human condition in the rest of the world. He
64 Charles79 : If that's the case then this bit of information would have been nice to know before we went in....oh wait, we did know this, we just ignored it seems
65 Seb146 : No. Sorry. That was not my issue. My issue is: When Bush decided to spend a trillion dollars, the right was perfectly fine with that. Now, that debt
66 Charles79 : Oh I see now, understood. And I quite agree with your post as well!
67 AustinAirport : Thank god! Long Time coming! I just cant wait! God bless the troops who died in this war, cooked up by "Dubya" to finish what daddy bush couldn't.
68 QANTAS077 : 9/11 ring a bell?
69 Mir : While I'll accept this for sake of argument, I do not believe that the primary reason for war was to liberate the Iraqi people. We'd had a chance to
70 DXing : Hmmmm...with the exception of rejecting the principles of democracy (i assume 11bravo means democratic things like elections and such) how really dif
71 Yellowstone : Quite different. Yes, each party wants to have its own policies put in place, but they do so out of a conviction that those policies are best for the
72 Baroque : Fair point and where is the response to that. By and large nowhere. An inconvenient truth?? Well yes, you would think so. And that is what happened,
73 DXing : I still think that could be said about the two major political parties in this country today. I need go no farther than health care.
74 Lxa333 : It's a good thing that we helped Iraq and freed the people from a dictator. They really needed help, especially the kurds. It's easy to stand on one s
75 HAWK21M : Strong statement there. All in All mostly its about a countries Stratigic Interests........ regds MEL.
76 Charles79 : I don't believe it either but that's what the revisionist historians would like you to believe. Again, it was mentioned by Bush before the invasion a
77 Yellowstone : I disagree. At the end of the day, both Democrats and Republicans want a health care system that best serves the needs of Americans as a whole. Now,
78 DXing : I don't see that as happening in Iraq except in extreme members of the individual groups, same as extreme members of the democratic party would argue
79 Seb146 : And Rummy assured us that the Iraq war would not even last a year. Bush assured us he would not rest until OBL was captured and brought to justice. (
80 DXing : And the President told us that if we passed the stimulus bill the unemployment figure wouldn't go above 8%. He also is still telling us that we can k
81 Seb146 : Are you serious? You really don't recall all that money that the previous administration spent on the Iraq war and expanding the government with litt
82 11Bravo : The difference, of course, is that in the US when we disagree amongst ourselves on political issues we generally do not express ourselves with car bo
83 Post contains links DXing : It's always humorous to watch someone take a quote completely out of context and try and then spin it the way they would like it to sound. How about
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