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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1732 times:

At any given time, there about 1700 active players in the NFL. Most of these guys perform their duties on an off the field, without getting into trouble. Over the last couple years, the NFL has gotten a bad rap for having players who constantly get into trouble. But I don't think we should allow a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. Football happens to be my favorite sport, yet a lot of people see the NFL as a bad league because their conduct policies aren't harsh enough. About 1.1 % of the league constantly get in trouble, yet people force to look at these guys the most, rather than focus on a lot of the good and well behaved players in the NFL. While I don't think that this bad image has affected the NFL much (numbers for viewers are still growing on a year to year basis), it bothers me to know that a lot of the guys who perform well in the NFL don't get as much attention as Pac Man Jones or Michael Vick. I think the media as well as fans pay way to much attention to these guys, which is the reason for the bad image. I mean really, how many non-football, non-ESPN watching Americans would know about Mike VIck, if CNN or Fox News wasn't covering his trial? All i'm asking is that people should take into consideration how great this sport is and that even though there are a few questionable characters, there are hundreds who make the most of their time in the league.


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

The main problem is that when Roger Goodell came aboard the NFL as the commish, he had the strictest behavior policy in any sport, which kept PacMan Jones out for some time. Then the union complained about it and now Jones is back.

Vick got lucky, real lucky. Sometimes, the union can be a bad thing because.......

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
But I don't think we should allow a few bad apples to spoil the bunch.

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Giving the unions power to reinstate people who have violated the law and/or support felons is just bad, bad PR for everybody as a whole.

I really liked Goodell's policy and had so much respect for the guy. But now he backed down from it...just made himself look so weak.... the respect for the guy went downhill because he (Goodell) did not stand-up for himself and for his office.

The NFL is a joke...period. It's all college ball for me, which is much more competitive than the NFL ever will be....



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1699 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
The NFL is a joke...period. It's all college ball for me, which is much more competitive than the NFL ever will be....

College sports will always be more competitive because in the pros, unless guys are on a good team, they have nothing much too play for but a paycheck. Most just want to get paid instead of win. I.E. greedy ass rookies. But I also don't agree with college football because the big programs stay big. They get all the 5 star recruits and are constantly in the running for the National Championships. How is it supposed to stay competitive if Florida, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, etc are always the only one's competing for a championship? That stuff get's boring. They need to mix it up. If Pete Carrol and all those guys are such great coaches, give them some 2 or 3 star recruits and see how they can develop those kids, rather than them constantly recieving top HS recruits. It's not like the Patriots get the number one overall pick after they win a SB, so why should it be like that in college? Just my  twocents  .



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12877 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

After 'Pacman' Jones, Michael Vick and a few others got into trouble in 2007, even some NFL players called for stricter policies on players behaving badly on or off the field. Problems include that the Commissioner really answers to the team owners 1st, the union 2nd, the sports media 3rd, certain society issues like if a decision would be seen as racist 4th and the fans/public a very distant 5th if at all. He is hired by the team owners and works for them at their choice. Owners don't want to lose a player they have invested and paying too many millions to them. The union then flexes it's muscles to make sure the player doesn't lose his paycheck.
Perhaps what is needed is a displinary committee of maybe 7 people involving the commissioner, a rotating group of 3 team owners or their repesentitives and rotating group of 3 player representitives to determine major penalties, those where a player would lose more than 1 game. I would also suggest that in the upcoming contract renewal between the NFL and the players, there should be clear penalties for criminal off-field actions, illegal drug use and so on, along with the displinary committee suggested previously.
Of course, many players had a head start on bad behavior from never being displined as a 'star' from kiddie age, through High School and College. Perhaps the NFL ought to reach out to the NCAA and state High School football regulators to compel a change in the lack of disipline for bad and illegal beheavior. If the NFL, the owners and players don't find ways together to curb the illegal and inapropiate beheavior of all of the people involved with it before it starts to lose fans.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1669 times:



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
the Commissioner really answers to the team owners 1st, the union 2nd, the sports media 3rd

Wouldn't the sports media be ESPN most of all? When Michael Vick was released, all they were talking about on SportsCenter was Michael "Dog Killer" Vick. All the time it was Michael Vick this, and Michael Vick that. I'm truely disappointed that Goodell even pardoned him as quickly as he has just done, by allowing him to be eligible to play before Week 6.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
certain society issues like if a decision would be seen as racist

Unfortunately it is indirectly a racial matter. I don't want to sound disrespectful to black people, but so far I have not seen any white guy getting in as much trouble as someone like Plaxico Burress, Michael Vick, Adam Jones, or even OJ Simpson during his retirement has gone. Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

The NFL has indeed become the National Felon's League, and it's a damn shame. Thank god there's still College Football.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7126 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1663 times:

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Aside from the guy that started a fight at a topless bar and the other guy that was involved in crimes over state lines this thread is worthless. How about start a thread about all the drug dealers, rapists, and murders from your 5 o'clock news instead of the .001% of members of the NFL. Last time I checked no active member of NFL had a conviction from murder, robbery, rape, or kidnapping.

 twocents 

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 3):
After 'Pacman' Jones, Michael Vick and a few others got into trouble in 2007

The most logical reply on this thread.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
constantly get in trouble

No evidence supports your claim.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1659 times:



Quoting FXramper (Reply 5):
Last time I checked no active member of NFL had a conviction from murder, robbery, rape, or kidnapping.

That may be, but one's career was ended because of a murder conviction. See: ex-Carolina Panther WR Rae Carruth.

There are former players out there that have committed crimes and sent to prison which ended their careers, in which I have named one person.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7126 posts, RR: 87
Reply 7, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1614 times:



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 6):
There are former players out there that have committed crimes and sent to prison which ended their careers, in which I have named one person.

I didn't comment on anything you said, and do the research on any sport and they have the .001% criminal minds.

MLB - Pete Rose, the entire steroids list, Darryl Strawberry, Barry Bonds, Doc Goodnen
NHL - Todd Bertuzzi
NBA - Tim Donaghy, Ron Artest, Jayson Williams, Jason Kidd, Damion Stoudamire
NCAA/NFL - Maurice Clarett, Reggie Bush, Rhett Bomar
Track and Field - a lot of cheaters
Boxing - Bernard Hopkins, Mike Tyson
Skating - Tonya Harding


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (4 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

The problem is this in a nut shell. I have played Jr High and High-school football and coached young football players from elementary to high-school age. The principle lesson that is taught is that this is a team sport and it requires young men who understand that they must live there lives in a disciplined manner. A winning football team is a product of a group of young men who respect each other , respect there coach and play to uphold the pride that comes with with being part of a team. You must have players who fear letting the team down ...literally ..they must fear the humiliation of letting the team down. Fear of disappointing the coaches and other teammates is the key motivator.

I have seen the corrupting power of a individual who does not abide by the rules of team respect. I have seen how it affects the team and creates a crack in the mindset of winning together and losing together. NFL player's who break the rules and the law are selfish and frankly should be fired immediate and reinstated only after they make amends and commit themselves to the team again .

I understand that NFL players are professionals so the rules change a bit. But I promise you that everyone of those players has heard exactly what I said above from at least one of there coaches throughout there football career. If they have not , then they have truly been mis coached .



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