Charles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1331 posts, RR: 6 Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1987 times:
Anybody else attending?
This would be my first time visiting the IAA/Frankfurt International Auto Show and can't wait for it (more info at www.iaa.de ). Plenty of new vehicle introductions planned for this event, including the Ferrari 458 Italia, the Jaguar XJ, the Bentley Mulsanne, the Audi R8 Spyder...well, plenty of new cars to list them all here! Trade publication sites such as www.autozeitung.de and www.autoweek.com have dedicated pages covering the new car introductions.
For those who have made the trip in the past I got a few questions:
1. Which is the best day to visit the show? I'm planning on going on either Friday 18 Sep or Monday 21 Sep to avoid the weekend crowds.
2. Where to stay? I know, I should have booked well in advance but didn't find out that I would be able to go until last night. If we don't stay in the city itself we were considering either an airport hotel near FRA or simply one in one of the nearby cities such as Wiesbaden or Mainz. If we stay near the airport, though, I'd prefer one with a view of the airport or at least near an approach area to watch the planes (such an a.nutter I know!). Any suggestions?
3. Where to spot? Of course, spotting at FRA is de rigueur. Back in May 07 I did some spotting from a fence area by the A5; this time I would like to visit the observation deck at the airport itself, and perhaps visit other spotting locations. I have found some tips online but they seem outdated (judging by pictures of L-1011s and A300s already scrapped!). Any tips?
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1903 times:
I attended back in 2003 and 2005... Great show. It's a lot like the Paris Airshow (as far as the crowds are concerned if not worse) but was definitely worth it.
If I were you I would attend on the Monday but if you're looking to beat the crowds the best way to do that would be to stay home. Every day will be crazy but Monday would be my best guess as to when it would at least be bearable...
I've found out that the areas with the worst crowds were the areas with the most exotic cars such as Lamborghini Porsche and Ferrari. Mercedes was also incredibly crowded so you may want to visit this area last (towards the later part of your day). With some of the less glamorous brands as far as the IAA Autoshow is concerned (i.e. Subaru, Volvo, Ford, Honda, Toyota, budget brands, etc) they allow you to get inside the vehicles as you would at a car dealership... Though with the exotic brands mentioned earlier good luck even getting a peek through the crowds lined up behind the barriers...
Some advice... Wear plenty of deodorant and be prepared to get your share of sweaty people with bad B.O. bumping and sliding against you. Other than that I envy you. I haven't been able to attend either in '07 or this year due to college in the states...
"Drunk drivers run stop signs. Stoners wait for them to turn green."
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1828 times:
I took the last chance today to visit the IAA (tomorrow the normal public days are beginninng and thats no no pleasure, to crowdy and almost impossible to visit the "hot" stands).
I must say I enjoyed it more than in 2007 and 2005, it was less crowdy than on the trade visitors days last time. And there were more interesting debuts.
I use the show to have a look at rare and/or luxury cars and a few brands I´m interested in as well as visiting staff people I know.
In top down order. You wont want take a seat in a Phantom sweating after a whole day of the show. So RR and Bentley came first, and both had fantastic new models. Both brands had very friendly and helpful staff who didnt bother to take 20 minutes or more to show me the new Ghost and the Mulsanne and the other models.
The new RR Ghost is a breathtaking car. Just fantastic inside and out. Noble, inobtrusive, just stunning. Its build-quality is the best I´ve seen ever, in any car. And despite its superior power it has far less emissions than the competitor from Bentley (more than 20%). I give it 5*****+.
The Phantom EWB seems like from another planet. Anybody who hasnt got 25 million or more in his pocket at least looks stupid in it. The rear compartment in the EWB are the most lofty and Royal sqm´s on the show. And inside you dont hear nothing from what is around.
The Mulsanne looks better than on pictures, though not as perfect as the RR Ghost from certain angles. The showcar was in a very attractive dove blue. But imho the nicest car on the Bentley stand wasnt the Mulsanne, it was the new sports GT, wonderful in Quarzite grey with oxblood interior. The white GT Convertible with bicolor interior wasnt my cup of tea on the other hand. Too much Paris Hilton.
Onward to Aston Martin. The new Rapide has just been voted the most beautiful car worldwide. And its damn beautiful. The built quality and leather though is clearly inferior to RR. I couldnt manage to enter the rear. It was such a pain a woman asked me if she could take a picture of my attempts to get in. well, all is different in the front. Just great.
On to its competitor, the new Panamera from Porsche. Better looking than on pictures, from the outside its still no match with the Rapide. But from the inside it is. The dashboard is wonderful, and the car is spacious and practical.
I didnt get on the Ferrari stand. Too crowded, the waiting line too long. The new Italia is fantastic, an absolute beauty. Thats all I can say here.
Allright, I´m through with the absolute upper class then. Mercedes, the most expensive stand: Interesting the idea of showing original historic cars and modern inspired cars parallel to each other, like the Stirling Moss SL. The SLS Gullwing great, but somehow not in the league of the cars described before. A bit too big, massive. The new S Hybrid I liked very much, as well as the special edition matte gunsilver CLS. I dont like the new E.
The Maybach? Forget it, if there´s a car that shouts nouveau rich like no other, its the Maybach. Imho that small, half-fake brand is dead.
Down to earth, a bit:
BMW. I dont know, no real stunner there as much as I could see. The new 5-series GT not bad, but very expensive for an upper middle class business express.
Jaguar. The new XJ is a huge break with tradition. No wood, no round lamps, sacrilege! But not bad a t all. And very, very big.
The Audi 5 Sportback wonderful in S5 version in bright red, but somewhat boring in standard version in white. White? Too many white cars around anyway, almost everywhere from VW to Mazda, from Mercedes to Audi, Fiat to Lexus, which isnt good for most models.
The Artega sportscar is nice and indeed has some similarities with the new Ferrari.
Alfa´s though is all red, rosso competizione to be exact, the most stunning colour on the show and on sale from next summer, at a hefty premium of 2500 Euros.
Btw, there were some interesting colours on the show: Besides Alfa I have to mention Audi with a gorgeous ipanema-brown, Mercedes with the gunsilver CLS.
Down to earth, a lot:
Fiat 500 Lounge (Semi-Convertible): a sweet little car for your girlfiend or wife.
Abarth: hot and pretty Fiats presented by absolute beauties.
VW Polo: from the outside a pretty little Golf, inside just boring.
Opel Astra: pretty outside, best car Opel has ever built in this somewhat boring category.
Ugliest car of the show: the matte black Brabus Mercedes E One-in-ten. A zillion horsepower at the price of 3 S-classes, with the taste of a rich St. Pauli pimp. No, worse!
Stands you can forget imho (no new models, or no nice ones): Ford, Citroen, Hyundai, ...
General observations: The crisis leads to more modest stands. There are no shows (just at VW I saw one), there are no brochures for everyone anymore above middle-class level. And a few brands didnt show up at all, fortunately mostly low-interest brands like Nissan or Mitsubishi. I didnt see US GM brands. No Cadillac, no Chevy, no Hummer (Chrysler was there though). And you get to see the wellknown omnipresent Japanese or Chinese engineer with long checklists testing every detail, especially the entertainment systems/on-board computers of new European cars.
There´s one thing no brand saves money on: pretty girls (who often have no clue what car they are presenting).
In terms of the "Traumautos" I wasn't necessarily impressed with the Mulsanne. How should I put it...oh yes, it has a face that only a mother could love! Also the proportions are odd and awkward; somehow I expected more from the first non-Rolls based new Bentley since the 1930's. The Ghost was indeed a thing of beauty and wears the new RR design language much better than the over-indulgent Phantom.
Of the new luxury 4-door saloons (the Jaguar XJ, Porsche Panamera, Aston Martin Rapide) the Aston certainly looks the best (though I didn't have the opportunity to climb inside as I went in the general public days). The Panamera does look better in person for certain but that's not really a compliment, though the interior is a nice place indeed. The Jag? I didn't see it, all I saw was a bloated jelly-bean which looked like a blown up Citroen C6!
Of the myriad of sports cars on display the Maserati Gran Cabrio was my personal favorite by far, closely followed by the Porsche 911 GT3 RS. The Alfa 8C is a thing of beauty too although the interior doesn't look that special, and the new Ferrari 458 Italia is one Ferrari which I'll respect but not love.
That BMW Hall was amazing, wasn't it? With cars being driven on a track inside the building and that huge presentation area they certainly had the best display. Pity that the real star of their stand, the ultra-efficient 320d, was slightly overshadowed by the weirdly proportioned X1 and 5-series GT. Mercedes-Benz put on an impressive display as well, and the SLS actually looked rather nice, though I wouldn't call it a sports car. Looks more relaxed, more Maserati than Porsche or Ferrari. The new E-Klasse T-Modell is their best looking yet; that E63 AMG T-Modell had my name written all over it! Speaking of fast estates the RS6 Avant looked fantastic, as did the TT RS, S5 Sportback, and R8 Spyder. The Q7 V12 TDI is too much over the top for my taste, though.
As a Golf GTI owner I was immediately lured into the VW Group Hall and wasn't disappointed. The new Golf and Scirocco R models are amazing, though the little Ibiza Cupra and Bocanegra look like lots of pure fun. I'm also a fan of French cars and of those the offerings from Citroen and Puegeot were miles ahead in front of the Renaults. The new C5 is impressive, but the biggest surprise was the new C3-based DS. I wasn't sure what to expect but their business case begins to make sense once you see the cars in the flesh. I'm not sure if they'll be a big threat for the likes of Mini and Fiat 500/Alfa MiTo but I wouldn't mind seeing one on my driveway.
Having not attended in the past I wasn't aware that the displays were a scale down from previous years (in fact most were better than the ones I've seen here in the US). What I did notice is that every major car manufacturer bar the exotic makers had the CO2 and Verbrauch numbers of their most efficient cars predominantly displayed. It sets a nice tone me thinks, kind of like stating that despite cars being objects for fun at times they can also be responsible for the environment. Here in the US the emissions/fuel consumption have already taken a back seat because of once again low fuel prices.
Quoting NA (Reply 2): Ugliest car of the show: the matte black Brabus Mercedes E One-in-ten. A zillion horsepower at the price of 3 S-classes, with the taste of a rich St. Pauli pimp. No, worse!
Absolutely agree! The city of Bottrop should impose a big fine on Brabus for producing such a monstrosity of a car!
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1678 times:
I like to hear you enjoyed the IAA so much.
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4): The Jag? I didn't see it, all I saw was a bloated jelly-bean which looked like a blown up Citroen C6!
A bit strong, but the new Jag has too much Citroen C6 (rear lamps and more) and too little Jag heritage in it. I havent yet condemned it, at first glance I liked it even, but I would be much surprised if this car would sell well. Its very big, and imho Jags are not about being big. And the main dials are on a screen and not mechanical - not a good idea for long-term operation.
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4): Of the myriad of sports cars on display the Maserati Gran Cabrio was my personal favorite by far, closely followed by the Porsche 911 GT3 RS.
The Maserati, pretty from the front, the side and inside, doesnt look like a 100.000 Euro car at all from the rear (more like half that money, very boring even with its Ford Mondeo rearlamps). And frankly, I´m getting tired about the millionth 911 variant. I didnt bother to look at any Porsche but the Panamera this time. The 911 is a great car as it is a pretty common car. Nothing I could see me driving in.
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 4): Here in the US the emissions/fuel consumption have already taken a back seat because of once again low fuel prices.
That is so sad to hear.
Like with the again money-guzzling greedy bankers it seems many US citizens tend to forget a crisis very fast if there´s a little light at the horizon. Until they let us stumble into the trap again. I hope in Pittsburgh the G20 are really deciding to do something and strongly limit the banking sector´s excesses as much as they set up something for the next climate conference.