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Acorn Is No Longer Working Census! Cut Off!  
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

The government has cut off all ties with ACORN and will not be using them anymore with the 2010 census. A video has popped up now showing 2 ACORN workers helping a man posing as a "pimp" start his buisness and his "prostitute" get passed taxes. Wow!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...1/census-bureau-severs-ties-acorn/


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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3065 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Excellent news.ACORN is so riddle with abuses and fraud that it was only matter of time.Good riddens!


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User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2565 times:

I knew about the workers in the Baltimore office, but apparently the pimp/prostitute routine also worked in the DC office.

I'm not a fan of sniper journalism, but for ACORN, I'll make an exception...

 bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Good move, ACORN shouldn't be involved in anything except what they do best like rigging votes.

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
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Good. Have heard too many negatives and ZERO positives about that organization.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11275 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2525 times:



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Good. Have heard too many negatives and ZERO positives about that organization.

There are positives, but you're not going to find them on foxnews. I'm sure that even though they are cut off now, conservatives will still blame them for stuff that doesn't cut their way.



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User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2522 times:
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Or Cnn, NBC, CBS, MSNBC......

Show me some positive coverage on any of these sites, rather than blaming Fox, and I would consider otherwise.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2516 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 4):
Good. Have heard too many negatives and ZERO positives about that organization.

There are positives, but you're not going to find them on foxnews. I'm sure that even though they are cut off now, conservatives will still blame them for stuff that doesn't cut their way.



Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 6):
Or Cnn, NBC, CBS, MSNBC......

Show me some positive coverage on any of these sites, rather than blaming Fox, and I would consider otherwise.

Correct, what have they done that is positive?


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2484 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Correct, what have they done that is positive?

General community advocacy stuff - check out the Wiki page for a more detailed list of their activities. Important stuff, but nothing high-profile or newsworthy; hence, the media shows only their bad side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associa...unity_Organizations_for_Reform_Now

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Good move, ACORN shouldn't be involved in anything except what they do best like rigging votes.

For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19592 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2463 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 5):

There are positives, but you're not going to find them on foxnews. I'm sure that even though they are cut off now, conservatives will still blame them for stuff that doesn't cut their way.

And the elephant in the room is: if Obama was so tightly tied to them before the election, why is this happening now?

If anything, this demonstrates that the ACORN connection that all the conservatives were braying about was a bunch of B.S.


User currently offlineHomer71 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2242 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2463 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud

Oh, okay, that's makes it much better...the pimp/prostitute incident is more acceptable now.

Thanks for the correction  Smile



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2448 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 3):
Good move, ACORN shouldn't be involved in anything except what they do best like rigging votes.

For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.

It is funny how it has happened in at least 20 states to just one organization.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

It does not matter if these were rougue employees, or not. ACORN is responsible for their activities while they are working for ACORN, just like any company or employer. ACORN encouraged this activity by promising higher pay to those who "registered" more than 20 voters per shift.

Just follow the money in this report.

http://www.rottenacorn.com/downloads/060728_badSeed.pdf

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
If anything, this demonstrates that the ACORN connection that all the conservatives were braying about was a bunch of B.S.

Sure it does.

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 10):
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud

Oh, okay, that's makes it much better...the pimp/prostitute incident is more acceptable now.

Thanks for the correction

http://www.rottenacorn.com/

ACORN has its dirty fingers into more than just illegal voter registration.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...corn_obama_and_the_mortgage_m.html


User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5400 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.

But, let's ask ourselves this question:

Why commit voter registration fraud, if not to follow-up with voter fraud? What good is registration fraud without the follow through?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
And the elephant in the room is: if Obama was so tightly tied to them before the election, why is this happening now?

No, the actual elephant in the room is when is Obama going to throw ACORN under the bus 'ala Rev. Wright?

[Edited 2009-09-12 13:18:17]


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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2425 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 12):
But, let's ask ourselves this question:

Why commit voter registration fraud, if not to follow-up with voter fraud? What good is registration fraud without the follow through?

KC's got the right answer...

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 11):
ACORN encouraged this activity by promising higher pay to those who "registered" more than 20 voters per shift.

If ACORN is guilty of anything regarding voter/voter registration issues, it is overestimating the honesty of its employees. The employees got lazy and submitted fraudulent registrations, rather than registering actual people. Though some of the registrations were obviously fake (it's a pretty good guess that Mickey Mouse and Michael Jordan aren't going to be registering to vote through ACORN), the organization is bound by law to submit all registration forms it receives.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2415 times:

It is sad how ACORN, born of good intentions, has turned badly. There is no doubt they were good when trying to end 'redlining' by banks and mortgage lenders that wouldn't make loans and mortgages to non-white urban areas. But then they started to extort banks, threating lawsuits, to fight mergers or adding branches unless they made more loans and mortgages as well as add or keep branches in lower income non-white areas even if they had to suffer losses. Some suggest that in part the current bank crises is due to the increasing amount of mortages in high risk areas they demanded and there is some truth in part to that. In more recent years, they have become a rather corrupt and 'radical' group thus any use of government agencies of them should be ended.

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8839 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2414 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
General community advocacy stuff - check out the Wiki page for a more detailed list of their activities. Important stuff, but nothing high-profile or newsworthy; hence, the media shows only their bad side.

I'm sure you could say the same thing about th mafia - they did a lot for their communities as well. So did Hamas and Hezbollah. But just like those organizations, it appears that ACORN's community work was a shield behind which they hide their real agenda.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2398 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 8):
For the umpteenth time, ACORN was never involved with voter fraud. ACORN employees committed voter registration fraud, which is criminal but does not affect vote totals unless the imaginary voters show up on Election Day - and there's no evidence of that occurring.

How would we ever know? Are you at every voting station checking? I doubt it would make a difference but just the fact they did what they did was sad. The agency is shady big time buddy. Plain and simple.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19592 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2378 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):

How would we ever know?

And so therefore, it must have happened because it would support your worldview. Yes, NIKV. We know all about it.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2362 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
And so therefore, it must have happened because it would support your worldview. Yes, NIKV. We know all about it.

No Doc Lighting we wouldn't of. I conceded it wouldn't have made much difference but you still stand up for them as long nobody got hurt. Kind of like Bill Ayers, as long as you bomb something when nobody is there it's ok right?  sarcastic 


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8873 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

It is past time for them to go, how much are we to put up with? Too much is too much. An agency gone wrong once again. What is the old saying about smoke and fire?


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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2333 times:



Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
How would we ever know? Are you at every voting station checking?

I'm not, but the poll workers who check voters in sure are.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 15):
But just like those organizations, it appears that ACORN's community work was a shield behind which they hide their real agenda.

And what, pray tell, is that agenda?



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8839 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2326 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 20):
And what, pray tell, is that agenda?

Founder Wade Rathke wants to overthrow the capitalist system.

He said so in his book, "Citizen Wealth: Winning the Campaign to Save Working Families", and acknowledges his support for the Cloward-Piven Strategy, an approach to radical social and political change articulated by Marxist university professors Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven in a 1966 Nation article, "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty." The two academics called for "a massive drive to recruit the poor onto the welfare rolls" in an effort to overwhelm the system.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2291 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 13):
Though some of the registrations were obviously fake (it's a pretty good guess that Mickey Mouse and Michael Jordan aren't going to be registering to vote through ACORN), the organization is bound by law to submit all registration forms it receives.

Don't forget the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys registered to vote in Nevada. They are not bound by any law to submit knowingly fraudelent registration cards.

What about all those cards they submitted from dead people? Were they NOT expecting the dead to show up to vote on election day?

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 19):
It is past time for them to go, how much are we to put up with? Too much is too much. An agency gone wrong once again. What is the old saying about smoke and fire?

Correct.

Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 18):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
And so therefore, it must have happened because it would support your worldview. Yes, NIKV. We know all about it.

No Doc Lighting we wouldn't of. I conceded it wouldn't have made much difference but you still stand up for them as long nobody got hurt. Kind of like Bill Ayers, as long as you bomb something when nobody is there it's ok right?

Correct. What baffles me is intellegent people who blindly support ACORN without question.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 20):
Quoting NIKV69 (Reply 16):
How would we ever know? Are you at every voting station checking?

I'm not, but the poll workers who check voters in sure are.

Oh, do you mean like the Black Panthers in Philly?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 20):
And what, pray tell, is that agenda?

Founder Wade Rathke wants to overthrow the capitalist system.

It goes much much deeper than that. All you have to do is follow the money, which doesn't say much for Rathke's book, as he made lots of money from it and ACORN.


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8961 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2278 times:



Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
"The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty."

His strategy, of course, would have ended up in abysmal poverty, unlike this guy's:




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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2275 times:



Quoting PPVRA (Reply 23):
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 21):
"The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty."

His strategy, of course, would have ended up in abysmal poverty, unlike this guy's:

That's because any liberal of socialist only spends one nanosecond thinking about a solution to any problem. They always come up with the same solution.............the government.


25 PPVRA : It's no wonder markets are well known for creativity and innovation. . .
26 Mirrodie : Wiki is not a reliable source. Can we stop blaming the media for everything? Only Fox speaks of them and I have yet to really hear about ACORN from A
27 Seb146 : So, the *founder* allegedly wants to overthrow the capitalist system. What about ACORN itself? That was the question. So, people assigned to register
28 DocLightning : Please quote where I stood up for them. Because I never did. I have no use for ACORN. Oh wait. You won't even try to quote it because when you're wro
29 Post contains links Yellowstone : That is quite simply incorrect. They are required in most states to submit all registration forms they recieve. In Ohio, for example: http://codes.oh
30 DocLightning : Still waiting for the quote where I supported ACORN, NIKV. ...still waiting.
31 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : You won't either. The liberal news media will not report on them, unless they do something wonderful...... First, ACORN only registers for the democr
32 Yellowstone : Yes, there is a trend - there are lazy, deceitful people in at least 20 US states. Wow, what a suprise. Incorrect - they register voters, regardless
33 Seb146 : Source? So, they do not hire temporary employees to stand on street corners to get signatures? So? He won a case, ACORN liked what they saw and they
34 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : In 2008 ACORN registered voters in 21 states, all but one have voter registration fraud. That seems to be a lot of "lazy and deceitful" employees/ Ho
35 EMBQA : Current headlines on CNN...........Kanye West took Taylor Swifts mic during MTV awards.... Current headlines on FoxNews..... ACORN exposed again in NY
36 Post contains links Seb146 : " target=_blank>http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...EDATE Also, from Dade County: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/5min...y/1225950.html?storylink=
37 Mt99 : I've never cared for ACORN in any way, but I undestarnd from watching today news while getting ready for work that the got caught giving advice to peo
38 Dreadnought : They were advising people how to cheat on their taxes AND provide a working environment for underage girls (described to ACORN employees as ages 13-1
39 Mt99 : So if it was tax cheating only, you would have defended them?
40 Dreadnought : Depends if it were tax avoidance (which is legal) or tax cheating (which is not). In this case it was cheating (by falsifying records), so no. But th
41 Mt99 : Of course not - silly buns. Tax avoidance is legal? hmm i guess it might be.. different from tax evasion... i wonder how UBS sold it? Lawyers! don't
42 Dreadnought : Tax avoidance is the legal utilization of the tax regime to one's own advantage, to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within
43 Post contains links Mt99 : So did UBS help "avoid" or "evade" taxes? The IRS is calling it "evasion" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aIwcvA9gW3dE Who knew U
44 KC135TopBoom : Of course not.................. So, it seems even the State Attorney thinks some of these fraudent people actually voted? Why wasn't the county voter
45 Aaron747 : Uh oh...foot in mouth. Wolf Blitzer devoted an entire 8 minute segment to the ACORN sting in New York on last night's Situation Room.
46 EMBQA : WoW...8 whole minutes.......and foot in your mouth...still nothing on the CNN web site........Last night on FoxNews Glenn Beck picked several current
47 Yellowstone : What part of "It could not have affected the voting process whatsoever" did you not understand? But when people living in poorer, predominantly black
48 Post contains links Aaron747 : 8 minutes is a long time in a ~50-minute program. As for nothing on the website, do you even check before posting? http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITI
49 EMBQA : That link was from four days ago...!! Go there right now- today- just after you read this and read the main page and add in that the US Senate has ju
50 Seb146 : Standing in line is one thing, but standing in line for EIGHT HOURS because they said there were only two machines? In a heavily Democratic area? I d
51 Post contains links Dreadnought : YES!!! U.S. Senate Votes 83-7 to Ban ACORN from Housing Grants Monday evening, the Senate approved a measure sponsored by Senator Mike Johanns (R-NE)
52 KC135TopBoom : How do they know that? ACORN themselves had to point this out to an apparently incompentent prosocutor. So what did Bush have to do with this? The st
53 Dreadnought : Got a heads-up for you guys... Watch Glenn Beck's TV show at 5 ET this afternoon, and hit the Big Government website an hour earlier at 4 ET. (http://
54 Seb146 : Not only were people left waiting, those Diebold machines were proven to be hacked easily. There were also complaints about that; the person chose Ke
55 Dreadnought : They have been depending on this argument for the past 10+ years. You know the old saying - Fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me?
56 Mt99 : Are they going to play the video on which the Police was called by ACORN employees after the actors pretended to set up the prostitution ring? Are th
57 Yellowstone : I think you misunderstand what ACORN was pointing out. ACORN officials received voter registrations that were almost certainly fraudulent, but the la
58 PSA53 : I never thought I would say this knowing about the FOX extremes,but the ACORN story and others like it that fail or delayed to be covered by mainstre
59 Seb146 : You know what I think is funny? Michael Moore makes documenteries and they are called lies and hooey and laughed off. But, when an undercover film is
60 Post contains links AGM100 : You make it sound like they just got a box of registrations in ... and wammo noticed they were fraudulent . What you fail to point out is ACORN opera
61 Seb146 : Hmmmm..... This sounds familiar. When a popular conservative commentator was telling people of their own party to switch parties and vote in the othe
62 Seb146 : Please explain something to me: When Michael Moore releases movies based on his opinion, we should all be outraged and he is stripping away the freedo
63 EMBQA : Well...... as you said, Michael Moore movies are entertainment and his opinions and left wing views. The 'film' you talk about has not one opinion by
64 Seb146 : Even though some of the things that Moore has reported on turns out to be true? Sicko about the obscene profits of the pharmacutical industry?
65 Post contains links Dreadnought : Even a master BS-artist like Moore has to start with an element of truth. Personally I think that big pharma should be banned from adcertising. But h
66 EMBQA : That is not news..... the world has known that forever. The sad part of this issue, this country right now is over time there has been so many specia
67 Dreadnought : What's the difference between 'wasteful' spending and 'stimulus' spending? If you cut out waste, don't you screw thousands or even millions of people
68 EMBQA : So you agree that we needed to spend money on wooden arrows research...??? on the behavior patterens of transvistive prostitues in So. American..? Go
69 Dreadnought : I'd cut it all off. I'm just making the point that there is no difference between wasteful spending and stimulus spending - spending for the sake of
70 Seb146 : Actually, that is why I asked my origional question. I saw his bit then, when he went to break, there was a commercial for Micahel Moore's new movie.
71 Yellowstone : That's not really the case. Your "loading" example assumes that the customer always consumes the same amount of goods every month, which is not true
72 Dreadnought : To take a small example, look at the Cash for Clunkers deal. Great deals for a while, but Edmunds is reporting a meltdown now that the program is ove
73 EMBQA : That.. plus many dealerships have yet to be paid...plus the used car market is going to dry...and many that can not afford to buy new and rely on use
74 KC135TopBoom : All correct, but what did Bush, Rove, or anyone else in the Administration, or GOP have to do with that? That is also correct. There must be evidence
75 Yellowstone : Wrong, sorry. ACORN receives a few million dollars per year from the federal government, not billions. You apparently have to be an incompetent finan
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