Gen Musharaff has admitted in an Interview that he diverted US Aid for antiterror to strengthen defences against India,something the US & India have been doubting for some time now.
In an honest Interview he says he had no choice to ally with the US on the war on terror else US & INDIA would have attacked from the East.
Looks like some the comming days might see some annoyed responses.
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 1, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1219 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Thread starter): Looks like some the coming days might see some annoyed responses.
Only just noticed your post Hawk. So not much excitement on a.net or annoyance come to that so far!!!!!! 2 days of yawns????
It is rather a serious matter as illustrated by the cross questioning of the good Admiral in Congress about the number of tanks run by the Taliban ending with said Admiral pointing out that what supported the Taliban was corruption in the Afghan government. Not that much different from what Mushie is now confessing to.
Oh what a shambles. You would wonder how much could have been diverted to support the "happy chappies" who shot up the Sri Lankan cricket team and half of Mumbai. Those Pakistan nuclear weapons will be the death of us all. Not sure why the US gets so excited about Iran and nukes when such an existential threat exists in Pakistan. What does the US know that we don't know. Not much if they do not know how much Mushie was cheating them one dares to venture.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
I guess this thread got hidden.I was surprised that there was no debate on this rather startling topic.
Quoting Baroque (Reply 1): Those Pakistan nuclear weapons will be the death of us all. Not sure why the US gets so excited about Iran and nukes when such an existential threat exists in Pakistan.
Its true.if any terror organisation get Nuclear weapons it would be the pakistani ones,considering the presence in that region.
Whats surprising is that Mush has said he was not concerned what the US thinks,as he did it for his country even if he broke rules.This def will create a flutter in the US congress.and further US Aid for Antiterror ops will require accountability.
Heard Mushi denied the Interview today.But its all on tape.
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 3, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2): Heard Mushi denied the Interview today.But its all on tape.
I am off to the wild blue yonder of S America tomorrow, so I will not be able to continue this interesting chat Hawk, hope someone else does.
Of course in one sense Mushie is history, I wonder what the current Pakistan admin is doing.
Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 2): further US Aid for Antiterror ops will require accountability.
Hmmm. You must be in an optimistic mood today my friend. And of course asking for and getting are two entirely different things. The issue raises so many important matters I do find it astonishing that the matter looks like sinking without a great deal of a trace at least on a.net.
Back in a couple of weeks. Good luck with this thread!!
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1125 times:
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 5): He should tell us how much he transferred to his own accounts..
All very interesting but less so that actually knowing what Mushie was trying to do. What pressures were there on him and what were his real aims. Forget the money, long gone!! But the special interests are still there, probably running the show(s).
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10461 posts, RR: 20 Reply 7, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
Quoting Baroque (Reply 1): Only just noticed your post Hawk. So not much excitement on a.net or annoyance come to that so far!!!!!! 2 days of yawns????
Because this surprises no one.
Let's see, third world politician takes money to fight terrorism, uses it instead to bolster his own interests instead.
Yawn.
A lot of the post-911 anti-terror funds here in the US got squandered on the most ridiculous things.
A lot of local jurisdictions got new police cars etc that had not a rats-ass to do with fighting terror, unless you consider speeding a form of terrorism.
The fact that you two are raising this issue seems stranger than the fact that most everyone else ignored it.
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7635 posts, RR: 28 Reply 8, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1094 times:
Quoting Baroque (Reply 6): But the special interests are still there, probably running the show(s).
One would hope such stark realizations would wake up folks in the Obama administration to continued "partnership" with a certain Mr. Karzai, but given the options on the table I'd wager yet another round of history is about to repeat itself, a la déjà vu all over again.
If you need someone to blame / throw a rock in the air / you'll hit someone guilty
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1069 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7): The fact that you two are raising this issue seems stranger than the fact that most everyone else ignored it.
As Aaron points out, we are all in the end at the pointy end of whatever is happening in Pakistan. And at least finding what DID happen there might help stop worse happening in the future.
But I take it that the "why are we surprised" also means that you don't really seem to care what a mess is being generated by current foreign policy. Well you are on your own there matey, some of us DO care.
Let's see, third world politician takes money to fight terrorism, uses it instead to bolster his own interests instead.
Last I checked numerous politicians in the USA misused funds to bolster their own interests so you may want to consider getting off your patriotic high horse - if only for a second.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 7): The fact that you two are raising this issue seems stranger than the fact that most everyone else ignored it.
What about all of that fighting "them" over there bollocks from Dubya? Or has any kind of overseas concern now been demoted to wasting money on foreigners now that Obama is at 1600?
Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 8): One would hope such stark realizations would wake up folks in the Obama administration to continued "partnership" with a certain Mr. Karzai, but given the options on the table I'd wager yet another round of history is about to repeat itself, a la déjà vu all over again.
Not quite you forget Karzai was hand picked, Mushie was not.
Quoting A332 (Reply 9): Exactly. It's like posting "Obese People Eat McDonalds on a Regular Basis" ... something that is glaringly obvious.
Incorrect statement "supported" by a further incorrect statement. Eating McDonalds all the time may make you obese but being obese is not dependent on McDonalds in the same way that all women are human but not all humans are women.
Quoting Baroque (Reply 10): As Aaron points out, we are all in the end at the pointy end of whatever is happening in Pakistan. And at least finding what DID happen there might help stop worse happening in the future.
Quoting Baroque (Reply 10): But I take it that the "why are we surprised" also means that you don't really seem to care what a mess is being generated by current foreign policy. Well you are on your own there matey, some of us DO care.
It's alarming how quickly people forget recently learned lessons. Afghanistan anyone? Foreign land where the US once had allies they abandoned... the same place Al-Qaeda found a home and planned 9/11 from. Ringing any bells? Anyone? Bueller?
Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1035 times:
Quoting YOWza (Reply 11): What about all of that fighting "them" over there bollocks from Dubya? Or has any kind of overseas concern now been demoted to wasting money on foreigners now that Obama is at 1600?
Quoting YOWza (Reply 11): Not quite you forget Karzai was hand picked, Mushie was not.
But mostly in agony at you being right YOWza
Quoting YOWza (Reply 11): It's alarming how quickly people forget recently learned lessons. Afghanistan anyone? Foreign land where the US once had allies they abandoned... the same place Al-Qaeda found a home and planned 9/11 from. Ringing any bells? Anyone? Bueller?
If I were not just about out the door, I would put up a thread on Detachment 88 and the shooting of Moh Top in Solo yesterday. It appears if you have competent search forces, even the most well hidden terrorists can be hunted down. Whatever Mushie was doing it was not at all similar to Detachment 88 it seems. Anyone remember OBL or has he been moved off the agenda?
Hint perhaps SBY in Indonesia is a bit more honest than Karzai and leaders of Pakistan have been.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10461 posts, RR: 20 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1033 times:
Quoting Baroque (Reply 10): As Aaron points out, we are all in the end at the pointy end of whatever is happening in Pakistan.
And in Iran, NK, Somalia, etc.
Quoting Baroque (Reply 10): And at least finding what DID happen there might help stop worse happening in the future.
"Might" being the operative word.
Quoting Baroque (Reply 10): But I take it that the "why are we surprised" also means that you don't really seem to care what a mess is being generated by current foreign policy.
What foreign policy (US or otherwise) could avoid a mess being generated?
Quoting Baroque (Reply 10): Well you are on your own there matey, some of us DO care.
Your original post about no one noticing means that I am not on my own.
Hope you do not wear your self out via worry, since I value your contributions to a.net.
You have the very refined skill of "endless criticism."
My god, I read more negative, pessimistic, gloom and doom from you, that one of these days I expect you to tell us that the sky is falling!
How about using that intellect to offer some solutions?
What the hell were we suppose to do on Sept 12th? Bomb Pakistan? Ignore Pakistani sovereignty and flippantly overfly their territory on our way to Afghanistan? Or perhaps, do as Hawk suggests, and team up with India and attack from the east? ...What were we suppose to do?
The guy was corrupt. But he was a means to an end. It was quid pro quo - he gave us what we needed, and in return we gave him money and support. It's an ugly pairing, but a necessary pairing. I honestly believe that no matter what we would have done - barring us doing nothing at all - you would have found a way to criticize it.
So what were we to do? And please, if you're going to answer, give an answer that is realistic, and no pie-in the sky, fantasy world, answers.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31201 posts, RR: 58 Reply 16, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 924 times:
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15): What the hell were we suppose to do on Sept 12th? Bomb Pakistan? Ignore Pakistani sovereignty and flippantly overfly their territory on our way to Afghanistan? Or perhaps, do as Hawk suggests, and team up with India and attack from the east? ...What were we suppose to do?
I guess Considering the situation on 12th Sept.Mushy had no choice.....He had to break relations with the Taliban Govt which pak recognized & support the US,else he would have been on the wrong side.The Issue here is aid given for a purpose,being diverted for another....Would the future aid be given without assurances.
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