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Holden Commodore Will Be Sold As Police Car In US  
User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10683 times:

The Holden Commodore enjoyed a stint as the Pontiac G8 in North America, but with the untimely death of the Pontiac brand this summer, that model came to a sudden end. GM has denied plans to sell a rebadged Commodore as a Chevrolet Caprice or Lumina in the U.S. marketplace, GM might have a new set of customers: America's police departments - the Los Angeles police department and the Canadian Mounties seem to be the biggest potential customers for the Australian built "police interceptor".

In an Australian media interview, GM CEO Fritz Henderson confirmed recent rumors about a Commodore police cruiser for America. He said his company is making good progress toward a deal with several U.S. law enforcement agencies. Such sales agreements could involve sales of tens of thousands of Commodores per year, Henderson said.

"In an Australian media interview, GM CEO Fritz Henderson confirmed recent rumors about a Commodore police cruiser for America. He said his company is making good progress toward a deal with several U.S. law enforcement agencies. Such deals could involve tens of thousands of cars per year, Henderson said.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/drive/motor-ne...cars-for-the-us-20090917-fs3b.html

Seems that GM is trying to muscle into the public safety vehicle market, now that Ford is discontinuing the ancient Ford Crown Victoria.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10671 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
now that Ford is discontinuing the ancient Ford Crown Victoria.

The article was off. Crown Victoria production is slated to continue until ATLEAST 2011. From what i've read it looks like 2012 will be the last year of the Vic, which is a shame. On another note. In preparation for that, the MA State Police are stockpiling crown victoria's by having them shipped without fluids and put into storage. It will be interesting to see how well the Holden does and what Ford responds with as they were for years, the largest maker of police cars.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10658 times:



Quoting StasisLAX (Thread starter):
GM CEO Fritz Henderson confirmed recent rumors about a Commodore police cruiser for America.

Most importantly, what do their headlights look like?
Just so I can keep an eye out on them in the rear-view mirror.  Wink

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
Crown Victoria production is slated to continue until ATLEAST 2011.



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
the MA State Police are stockpiling crown victoria's by having them shipped without fluids and put into storage.

That's good to know.
Here in California, we had 1996 Chevrolet Caprice Classic cruisers still running up until about 3 or 4 years ago.



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User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10605 times:



http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/04/NSA-Chevrolet_Commodore_LAPD_2.jpg

Well I hope for the cops' sake that they do make the switch. The Crown Vic, while doing its job fine, is just way too dated. And I'm sure the commodore handles way better than those oil tankers driven by almost all the police departments everywhere. Much more easy on the eyes as well. I wonder if they'll be getting the HSV version.


User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10608 times:

Coincidentally, I drove the Holden Commodore on my last trip down under. Amazing car. Here's a shot of it...




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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5961 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10599 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
Much more easy on the eyes as well. I wonder if they'll be getting the HSV version.

It's just another set of headlights to train your eyes for. XD



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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10590 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

I do wonder if you realize that police officers actually LIKE the Crown Vic.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1624 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10585 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
Well I hope for the cops' sake that they do make the switch.

I sure do too...while there's nothing too "wrong" with the Crown Vic, the G8/Commodore is a gorgeous looking car. I'd love to see a police version in the US soon!



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User currently offlineElite From Hong Kong, joined Jun 2006, 2791 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10582 times:

Indeed a great looking car, but I'll be sad to see the current one go  Sad It's the one I've "grown up" with.

User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10568 times:

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

Doubt they'll have the HSV version. Production of those is usually limited in order to keep the resale values high for existing owners.

Who knows, maybe they can have one or two one-off 500hp 175mph (limited) W427's as show cars for the Police.   Think of a Corvette Z06 engine in a Commodore, with wide tyres, big brakes and MRC suspension.

I really wonder if this is a wise move. The G8 was killed off, so I think that should be the end of the story for Commodore in the USA. Anything else is messing with the customers minds and confusing the market.

[Edited 2009-09-17 19:34:15]

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10564 times:



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 6):
I do wonder if you realize that police officers actually LIKE the Crown Vic.

I wouldn't have said this if I thought otherwise...

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
The Crown Vic, while doing its job fine...

That being said, there is always room for improvement.


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10543 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 9):
I really wonder if this is a wise move. The G8 was killed off, so I think that should be the end of the story for Commodore in the USA. Anything else is messing with the customers minds and confusing the market.

There is both a 300 horsepower V-6 and a 400+ horsepower V-8 versions available (with state of the art 5-speed automatic and 6-speed transmissions that gets 25mpg highway/17 city per the EPA) in the Commodore - at least both of these motors meet US federal and California emissions standards. Thus, public safety organizations have a choice in motors to fit their internal needs. Something the Crown Victoria doesn't offer - a modern chassis with a fuel efficient V6.....



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

There are no more 5 speed auto versions anymore. That transmission, and the old, slow, thirsty and unrefined HFV6 engine have been retired.

Only 6 speed automatic, either V6 or V8, coming in 3.0L, 3.6L (SIDI V6) and 6.0L (AFM V8) versions.

The 3.0L V6 gets up to 35mpg in some situations (steady 70km/h running). Yes, it is a fine car and is very economical compared to anything except very small cars, and it is very smooth running.

However, what it can't answer is the fact that it will take jobs away from the USA, and that's not politically expedient.

[Edited 2009-09-17 20:02:08]

User currently offlineSANAV8R From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10515 times:

If they only sold the Holden Commodore to the public. I really liked the looks of the cars in Australia. For some reason they've escaped the fugly trends that are ever present here in the U.S.

Even the Toyota Camry looked better as well as another Toyota (Auria or such) model.

I know the Holden was the Pontiac G8, but typical GM they changed a few design elements (the better parts).

Oh well, guess I'll have to become a cop or get one at auction...


User currently offlineStasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10512 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 12):
However, what it can't answer is the fact that it will take jobs away from the USA, and that's not politically expedient.

Quite a number of the parts in the US version of the Pontiac G8 (nee Commodore) came from the US - the V8 engine is basically a detuned Corvette motor and the V6 is version of the motor built for the CTS and the Lacrosse, among other US built vehicles. Sales and service will need to be done here in the US.

Keep in mind that the Commodore platform is a global one, consisting of GM parts coming from around the globe. In fact, these police version of the Commodore will help to keep the Elizabeth (Australia) assembly plant in business, so it is helping to save someone's jobs.



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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3077 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10483 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):
Well I hope for the cops' sake that they do make the switch. The Crown Vic, while doing its job fine, is just way too dated.

Umm I have driven a Charger, Impalas, and CV's....I always chose the CV....The other while they look better Suck the big weenie....

Don't care what anyone says ....A smaller vehicle is not an improvement....Go ahead and get into a vehicle with a Duty belt and you will understand. Or spend 10.5 hours in a car and tell me how a cool looking vehicle is better...

My car is not there to please the public because they think it is dated or less cool.....It is a work tool....



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10475 times:

Never understood why some people want to see cops in "cooler" looking vehicles.  confused 
I much rather them stay in the current Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor.
The headlights have been the same since 1998 and I'd like to know if a cop is on my tail at night.

I also have issue with the idea of a car only available to the police and not an option for private citizens. The Grand Marquis is pretty much the civilian version of the Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor. We the people should be allowed to buy a civilian version of this car.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29786 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10466 times:



Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
Never understood why some people want to see cops in "cooler" looking vehicles.
I much rather them stay in the current Crown Victoria / Police Interceptor.

Nah Dodge.....An old Mount Prospect police car would be best.

Cop Brakes
Cop Shokes
A model before catalytic converters so it runs good on regular gas.



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10435 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
smaller vehicle is not an improvement....Go ahead and get into a vehicle with a Duty belt and you will understand. Or spend 10.5 hours in a car and tell me how a cool looking vehicle is better...

It might be smaller on the outside, but it is huge inside, and the long-wheelbase version is even bigger still. You can spend hours and hours in that car easily.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
We the people should be allowed to buy a civilian version of this car.

Oh the fun of it.   Apparently it isn't viable, there is no business case to sell it to the public. And in so many respects, it isn't a proper American car - they all say it is bland and boring, and they wouldn't buy it.

Quoting StasisLAX (Reply 14):
keep the Elizabeth (Australia) assembly plant in business,

It is just surviving at the moment as it is, despite GM NA's best efforts to kill it off through the Pontiac G8 debacle. At the moment, they are not focusing on exports, they will try to remain viable without exporting to the USA - according to the last statements I heard.

[Edited 2009-09-17 22:18:28]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6394 posts, RR: 39
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10418 times:



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
Coincidentally, I drove the Holden Commodore on my last trip down under. Amazing car. Here's a shot of it...

I personally hate Holdens. They're such rubbish cars - if one thing malfunctions, it requires a lengthy waiting period in New Zealand - 2 weeks to get parts in. The one we have recently screwed up its windscreen wipers making them go non-stop whenever the car was on. It got to the point where we had to pull the fuse out to make it stop. It had an aerial problem (the electric motor which powers the radio aerial died) which cost heaps to replace - something like $500.. The oil pump was working fine but the computer said it was malfunctioning.. And none of the car servicepeople in Auckland knew what was wrong.. It might look good but I'd rather advise against long term use of the vehicle.. Toyota is much more reliable. It's good for you Americans - they won't be able to catch the fastest crims and they'll break down eventually  Wink



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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 10413 times:



Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 3):

Looks sweet! If only our cop cars were made to look like that...here the Commodores look bland and stupid in all white. Victoria police are much better with their colour scheme though.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 12):
The 3.0L V6 gets up to 35mpg in some situations (steady 70km/h running). Yes, it is a fine car and is very economical compared to anything except very small cars, and it is very smooth running.

It is a beautiful car to drive. We had the older one (VZ) and it was a nice car. I recently drove the new one, it is even better looking and smoother than the VZ. But the fuel consumption is a bit worrying..our VZ never got up to even 30 mpg, even on long drives. Hopefully the new one is better.

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
....A smaller vehicle is not an improvement....Go ahead and get into a vehicle with a Duty belt and you will understand. Or spend 10.5 hours in a car and tell me how a cool looking vehicle is better...

As Cpd said, this car is really comfortable and feels good to drive. It is definitely an improvement over the old Crown Vic.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2591 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10403 times:
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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 15):
A smaller vehicle is not an improvement

These cars are hardly small. They are widely used as police cars in Australia, and while smaller on the outside than a Crown Victoria, it is far from "small". Think of something bigger than a Camry, bigger than an E-class Benz but smaller than S-class ... that's about a Commodore size.

As for what Ford are going to do to respond ... well, Ford Australia already produces an excellent Commodore rival for the Australian market, and is also widely used as police cars here. Shame it won't be built in left hand drive!



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10400 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 18):
Apparently it isn't viable, there is no business case to sell it to the public. And in so many respects, it isn't a proper American car - they all say it is bland and boring, and they wouldn't buy it.

Why is this business plan any different from past police cars that were cop versions of civilian models?
Are you implying that the Crown Victoria and Caprice Classics were exciting and sexy designs?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
Nah Dodge.....An old Mount Prospect police car would be best.

Cop Brakes
Cop Shokes
A model before catalytic converters so it runs good on regular gas.

Trust me, I'd be happy knowing our cops drive in 1974 Dodge squad cars.  yes 
I'd like to be able to out-run a cop in my Lincoln when necessary.  Wink



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User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10379 times:

Nobody has mentioned the Carbon E7 - supposedly the new cop on the block.
www.carbonmotors.com



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User currently offlineDAL7e7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10353 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
Nah Dodge.....An old Mount Prospect police car would be best.

Cop Brakes
Cop Shocks
A model before catalytic converters so it runs good on regular gas.

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Yeah

Oh, well I can see that.


The car looks pretty awesome, but I think it should be up to the men and women that drive them to decide.


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25 Post contains links and images DocLightning : This is for you, HMO:
26 LTBEWR : Yes, the NYPD has a few Toyota Piruses (Pirusi?)' in their fleet. I work in NYC and have seen them. Many of the cabs in NYC now are hybrids, including
27 DocLightning : I know, but it gets under HMO's skin and it's really fun to watch, so just play along, OK?
28 Cadet57 : That actually doesn't help your post...
29 Sv7887 : Wow I didn't know that. Any idea where they are keeping them? It would be like checking out airplane boneyard, albeit with pissed off cops wondering
30 Greasespot : Guess because it is so far away I will have to reserve judgment until I see one.... You can....At auction when we are done with them.......and then y
31 Cadet57 : I have no idea. An officer friend told me about the order and the plans to stockpile them, I would like to guess somewhere in Boston, or perhaps some
32 Post contains links and images FLY2HMO : I never said it was better just because it looks cool. Since you apparently missed it: IN ADDITION to being easier on the eyes. I've driven a Pontiac
33 DocLightning : Dude, they're Germans. They ALWAYS do it right.
34 FLY2HMO : I'd post a demotivational poster in regards to that, but I believe its not in my best interest
35 Ken777 : Maybe Holden can bring back the Kingswood for both public and police sales. These days it can be lighter and more fuel efficient on the public side. T
36 Superfly : By then they're all beat up. There should be a civilian variant with leather seats and other comforts that you wouldn't find in a police car.
37 Cadet57 : "Technically" You can get a new P71. You have to convince the Ford dealer to order you one, but they can do it.
38 StasisLAX : In all honesty, GM USA is just trying to uphold their agreement with Holden and the Australian government that swore GM USA would take a certain numb
39 Post contains images PHLBOS : Crown Vic through 2012? That's about 2 model years later than previously slated. Many automotive magazines have either stated that 2010 would be the
40 Ken777 : And the Holden Kingswood lasted longer - until the original Commodore was released. I actually owned a Kingswood station wagon - paid $800 for it and
41 Cadet57 : Doing a little poking around the ford fleet website. (fleet.ford.com) I found a couple things. First, for fleet sales, you can get the crown vic as a
42 Post contains images Zkpilot : Here's a picture of a New Zealand Police Commodore. Its a 2007 model I think.
43 Post contains images PHLBOS : The problem with selling it as a 'new' Caprice to the retail market (which I am in agreement w/you on even though I'm personally not that big of fan
44 Cadet57 : Well the pdf does say until at least 2011, so that does mean there is still hope for 2012 Agreed. But I would like to think that if ford is keeping i
45 Post contains links Melpax : Looks like it's a done deal now, except it looks like stripped-down versions of the long wheelbase Statesman will be used, with the Commodore also ava
46 Maverick623 : If they're behind you, it's already too late.
47 Cpd : It looks a bit funny on such narrow tyres, compared with what we get here.
48 PHLBOS : With a 78.7-inch width (1999 mm from Holden's website), the Statesman platform would be a more logical police car candidate for the U.S. market; espe
49 Post contains links Cpd : The suspects thrown in the back are in for a spacious ride - the Statesman/Caprice has masses of room in the back. And for the people in the front, h
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