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Quit Bashing The Operator Of This Site, Johan  
User currently offlineHole_courtney From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 569 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 10 hours ago) and read 1078 times:

Hello all,

I've been an active user here for almost three years. Although i don't post regulary, i visit here on a more than daily basis. I notice trends that happen within the forum, and frankly, there is one that is disturbing me more than ever.

It has been going on for some time, but this Johan bashing is really immature and illinformed. I was a moderator for a very short period (officially one day), and after expiriencing the mass emails that I recieved from the moderators concerning posts on this forum, mainly, i decided to throw in the towel and give the job to someone who could properly handle it.

During that brief period, I realised something: That no matter how biased Johan is, it's a fucking hard job to do. Imagine getting 1000 complaints in a month, and having to respond to all of them. Although it may seem that Johan is an asshole, wouldn't you be an asshole if you had all these damn people on your case every minute of the day.

It is an extremely hard job to run this site. Frankly, if Johan didn't do all the work he did, you wouldn't have a place to be bitching at him on. I realise that sometimes it's not fair, but since when has all life been fair?

I think that, although we are all entitled to our own opinion, that we should be grateful to Johan for the work that he does here. It's not an easy job.

You can tell me that i'm just a sympathiser that doesn't know what he's talking about, but i can assure you that I do have a point. you don't have to agree with it. Frankly, you don't have to agree with Johan, he's a human being like the rest of us. We don't have to like him, but we can certainly respect the place that he has worked extremely hard to provide for, most of us, free of charge.

I think a little respect is due,

live forever and stay beautiful,

"[He] knew everything about literature, except how to enjoy it." - Yossarian, Catch 22
11 replies: All unread, jump to last
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (12 years 9 hours ago) and read 1018 times:


I agree with everything above (except the profanity.)


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 9 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

Respect is earned, Hole_courtney, not conferred upon. And respect is a two-way street, in my humble opinion.

User currently offline777YYC From Canada, joined May 2000, 744 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 hours ago) and read 989 times:

I agree with you, Hole_courtney. I've been here for nearly two years and the number of complainers has gone up a lot lately. Johan operates this site because he wants to. People who get upset about deletions and the such have to remember that this is Johan's site and not just some place for them to come and post junk.

User currently offlineExitRow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 hours ago) and read 960 times:

This site is, for the most part, FREE. (Even the First class is a bargain when you consider most premium web sites are no less than US$10 per month.)

All these great photos to view... FREE.

All the *valid*, interesting and informative posts in the forums... FREE.

Don't some of you realize you are looking a "gift horse in the mouth"?

I hope to God Johan shuts the forums down before ever deciding to kill the entire site or make it all premium.

The problem with the forums is people use them like chatrooms. Spewing every thought that passes through the brain with NO SELF-EDITING. Unfortunately, that leads to ridiculous name-calling and personal assaults. The non-av forum looks more like MTV.com everyday.

People that resort to personal swipes or name-calling are POOR AT DEBATING. (Not to mention over-emotive and in all likelihood, insecure.)

Sometimes I wish the forums standards were as high as the photo standards.


User currently offlineHawkeye2 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 hours ago) and read 954 times:

In all fairness, most of the forums (Tech Ops, hobby, trip reports, Miliatry, etc), EXCEPT this one, (and sometimes Civil Aviation), seem to run quite smoothly already, and have a high quality level of discussion. No improvment is needed in those forums.

I wouldn't mind if non-aviation got canned, this is airliners.net after all, not politics.net or something.

User currently offlineDragogoalie From Australia, joined Oct 2001, 1220 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 hours ago) and read 950 times:

Yeah, I think the non-av forum is the only part about a.net that needs to be fixed/elliminated. It probably takes up a lot of server space and is most of the time filled with crap. I notice so many people who post soley in the non-av forum, can't they find another place to post their ideas and opinions. Everyone is biased in one way or another. No one can truely claim they are 100% open minded. I agree many people are too biased, but what can you do... Johan is doing a wonderful job and once I get a regular job and a credit card I will definately get my first class membership to help support this site. For you who still aren't happy, you get what you pay for. If you don't like the site...leave.


Formerly known as Jap. Srsly. AUSTRALIA: 2 days!
User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3695 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 hours ago) and read 934 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I entirely agree with Alpha 1's post

And respect is a two-way street, in my humble opinion.

Respect has to be earned. Just because repect is given in one direction it doen't necessarily follow it should be returned in the other.

Just look at some of the post's on this board, Johan put a serious post up about the forum moderators and look how that degenerated after a few post's. If you didn't read it :-


or there is this one


This standard of post doesn't earn respect.

Disclaimer:- This is my own personal view after seeing some of the post's here. I have not spoken to Johan on this or any other subject so don't take this post as Johan doesn't respect anybody.

User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 2 hours ago) and read 915 times:

Alpha 1. could not have said it better myself. Yes, it takes an administrator to make the site work, but it also takes dedicated users as well.

User currently offlineEal401 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 2 hours ago) and read 915 times:

Hey, my post that you have so kindly quoted  Yeah sure was making what I felt was fair "constructive critiscm." Are you mouthing off my original post or the fact it went a little off topic?

If the former; if you don't like seeing other people's opinions, then why are you here?

If the latter; not my fault! I do not dictate to other people how they respond to people's posts.

User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3695 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (12 years 2 hours ago) and read 915 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Firstly my post should read I DISAGREE with part of Alpha 1's post.


I was not critising your post or holding you responsible for other peoples contribution to it. I was merely using it it illustrate the poor standard of reply to a serious post.

User currently offlineEal401 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 2 hours ago) and read 910 times:

OK, ta! Just wondered.

By the way, with regards to the original post. As I understand, it's BAD to bash Johan? But it's GOOD to bash those putting their own views forward? (which what the original poster is doing)

No double standard there then.

For the record, I don't blindy bash Johan for no reason, I put forward my own view on an aspect that affects me on this site. The thread I posted yesterday re: how posts criticising the forum/site are treating DID actually get a sensible answer from one of the administrators & I was happy with the reply.

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