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Coke (Soda Or Pop If Not From The South) Tax?  
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4264 posts, RR: 52
Posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Interesting editorial about the fallacies behind Mr. Kent's (Coca Cola's CEO) argument that if we tax Coke (and other sugary drinks), we might as well be living in the Soviet Union. Discuss!

An Anti-Tax Argument That's Hard to Swallow

Texan


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1827 times:

When I was young and smoked I paid a sin tax on every pack.

When I was young I paid a sin tax on every bottle or can.

Those taxes have been giong up and have bee helping pay for some of the problems that were caused by smoking and drinking.

While it may seem a horrible to add diabetes inducing food & drink to the sin tax I actually support now - especially after watching the kids (some very young kids) walking around the local mall.

The new "average" size kid or teenager looks like they should be given a Hemoglobin A1c blood test to determine how bad their situation really is.

And I believe that there should be an additional tax on oversized servings.
And maybe a gluttony tax on "all you can eat" programs.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

In almost all states they already assess sales taxes of 4 to 9% on carbonated beverages. What is being considered here is to have a federal 'sin tax' like that on alcoholic beverages, a 'slippery slope' many people fear, that it 'fat taxes' would be extended to meat, salt, sugar, snack foods, fast food and so on.

User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Seems like most of the defenses against are just generic "no tax" I would propose a tax on all people who call it "pop".

Anyway, I'm still wondering why so many Americans demand such ridiculous portion sizes. Seriously, 2 liters at meal? That's bit ridiculous, isn't it? To top it off many even wear their badge of gluttony with pride.

[Edited 2009-09-23 05:55:06]

User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1759 times:

Everyone loves the idea of taxes as a social engineering tool, until it is your particular favorite vice that is taxed. We already have dangerous precedents in this area. Be careful when you encourage it.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
Those taxes have been giong up and have bee helping pay for some of the problems that were caused by smoking and drinking.

I don't know where you live, but where I live they go into the general fund. Those taxes are just another vein of revenue to tap.



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User currently offlineFxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7127 posts, RR: 87
Reply 5, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1742 times:

I say tax the hell out of it.  yes 

Quoting Texan (Thread starter):

Of course Kent is going to lobby everyone to drink his coke and keep the tax low.


User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (4 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 1735 times:

Social engineering through taxation. Gotta love it!

What's next? Big Macs? How about extreme sports? Skiing? How about Thanksgiving dinner? It sends thousands to the hospital every year. An excess calorie tax?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
While it may seem a horrible to add diabetes inducing food & drink to the sin tax I actually support now - especially after watching the kids (some very young kids) walking around the local mall.

A tax won't take care of that...proper parenting and personal responsibility. How about limiting the X-Box to 'x' amount per week. Get your ass outside and play with your friends...outside. But, no, it's too easy to just let the kid vegetate in front of the TV/computer/console.

Why is it that everyone is ready to allow the government to tell us what we can eat and do? It is a step away from them telling us what we can say and think.

Oh, and I do love this:

From the article: "Proposals to tax sugary drinks as a way to fight obesity and finance health care reform".

Doesn't anyone see the contradication here? The tax is designed to discourage usage (social engineering), and the government will rely on the tax to fund programs to discourage the use. What happens if, by some miracle, usage does go down and the tax tit dries up? Will the program "To Prevent Childhood Obesity" (or whatever such nonsense it will be called) be terminated? Nope, it will continue to get funded and get bloated (and obese), but now the money will come from the general funds (of course, that's where it was coming from anyway).

These taxes aren't designed to stop anything...they are designed to produce revenue. The more people that consume the product or participate in the activity, the larger the revenue.



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User currently offlinePacNWjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Um, wasn't the Sugar Tax Act of 1764 one of the motivating factors for the American Revolution?

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/related/sugaract.htm


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21085 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1711 times:



Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 3):
Seems like most of the defenses against are just generic "no tax" I would propose a tax on all people who call it "pop".

Definitely a good move.  Smile

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 3):
Anyway, I'm still wondering why so many Americans demand such ridiculous portion sizes. Seriously, 2 liters at meal? That's bit ridiculous, isn't it?

It is extremely ridiculous. Just get a 1/2 liter soda and make up the other 1 1/2 liters with water - much better for you. But despite the fact that such consumption is foolish, I still don't agree with a tax on it, because:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 4):
Everyone loves the idea of taxes as a social engineering tool, until it is your particular favorite vice that is taxed. We already have dangerous precedents in this area. Be careful when you encourage it.

 checkmark 

-Mir



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User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1697 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 6):
A tax won't take care of that...proper parenting and personal responsibility. How about limiting the X-Box to 'x' amount per week. Get your ass outside and play with your friends...outside. But, no, it's too easy to just let the kid vegetate in front of the TV/computer/console.

Yes, physical activity would help. However, that in no way implies that driving up the price of unhealthy foods would not also help. You'll need to address that issue separately.

And for those of you complaining about this being social engineering through taxation - we've been doing that for years! Tax-deductible donations, EITCs, exemptions for dependents, loopholes for corporations - all ways that the tax code encourages various social policies.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8044 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1687 times:



Quoting PacNWjet (Reply 7):
Um, wasn't the Sugar Tax Act of 1764 one of the motivating factors for the American Revolution?

Well, since we already have the Tea Party folks out (ironic as we're more a country of coffee drinkers) we might as well have the Tubby Party.

I can see it now - all folks at least 50 pounds overweight marching on Washington in their stretch clothes from Wal-Mart or K Mart. Sign in one hand and a Big Gulp or Big Shake in the other. Toss some fries in their belly bag and they are ready for a revolution.

Let's make the tax large enough for us to test all school kids for glucose and cholesterol once a year. Might actually cut health care costs over time.


User currently offlineForce13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1685 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 6):
An excess calorie tax?



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 6):
How about Thanksgiving dinner?

If these taxes existed, I'd pay it. I have no problems paying taxes on "sin" items (booze, smokes, etc) because if I want a beer then dammit I'm gonna get a beer.
 drunk 



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User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1654 times:



Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 9):
And for those of you complaining about this being social engineering through taxation - we've been doing that for years!

The fact that it has been going on for years, decades, hell, centuries, still doesn't make it right. I'm against using tax policy to discourage or encourage activity. Tax policy should be used to raise revenue so that government can pay for the enumerated functions of government.

Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 9):
However, that in no way implies that driving up the price of unhealthy foods would not also help.

You're correct, driving up the price of 'unhealthy' foods may reduce their consumption, but at what cost? When do we say "no more" to taxation of this sort?

Quoting Force13 (Reply 11):
I have no problems paying taxes on "sin" items (booze, smokes, etc)

How about a 'sin' tax on your car, if mass transit is readily available? How about one on greens' fees, since everyone knows golf courses are a drain on reources? One on film, since digital photography is much less wasteful than print. Books: wasteful, you know we have this thing called the internet and you can read just about anything published. Plastic bags? Paper bags?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
Let's make the tax large enough for us to test all school kids for glucose and cholesterol once a year. Might actually cut health care costs over time.

Actually, it wouldn't cut health costs. It would make for a healther group of people (assuming they're not to dense too follow instructions), but mass testing would probably cost more over time, because it costs money to test and interpet.



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User currently offlineForce13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1649 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 12):
How about a 'sin' tax on your car, if mass transit is readily available? How about one on greens' fees, since everyone knows golf courses are a drain on reources? One on film, since digital photography is much less wasteful than print. Books: wasteful, you know we have this thing called the internet and you can read just about anything published. Plastic bags? Paper bags?

I live in New York. Our state motto is "If it moves, tax it. If it breathes, regulate it!"  crazy 

Trust me, I live in the county with the SECOND HIGHEST property tax in the NATION. Does it suck? Oh yeah. The saving grace is living in the rust belt with a lower standard of living.



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User currently offlineFr8Mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1631 times:



Quoting Force13 (Reply 13):
Trust me, I live in the county with the SECOND HIGHEST property tax in the NATION.

Would that be Nassua or Suffolk County. I moved away 20 years ago and never looked back. When I left, I took a pay cut in salary, but got a raise in real dollars because my state and local taxes went down.

Ronald Reagan:

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."



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User currently offlineForce13 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (4 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1627 times:



Quoting Fr8Mech (Reply 14):
Would that be Nassua or Suffolk County

Whoops! I mis-spoke. Link to article here:

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/...-taxpayers-among-the-highest-taxed



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