SEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4 Posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
Well..... actually not the entire site. Just the "problem child" forum known as "Non-Aviation." Shut it down for about 2 weeks. As it stands, there are too many complainers and flamers right now. I think a two-week suspension will give members time to cool off.
Plus, let's see how well members will do without the joys of Non-aviation. Will they transfer their flames and hostilities to Civil Aviation? Will they try to carry their insults to Trip Reports? ...Ahhh. Only a little time will tell.
I betcha everyone'll be nicer when the forum resumes.
(And folks don't come running after me with baseball bats because of this suggestion.... I'm sure Johan has been toying with this idea for some time now.)
National_757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1557 times:
I personally think that it doesn't matter what you do, if you shut down this forum, there wil be people bashing on the Civil Aviation Board. My solution is a simple one, just have a ZERO tolerance for ANYTHING (Anti-American, Anti-European, Anti-Airbus, Anti-Boeing), it's kind of like one strike and your out. But if someone posts a CONSTRUCTIVE argument on how for example, The United States should change its ways with NO name calling or bashing, then it should not be deleted.
But these moderators have a tuff job, and since they are all doing it for FREE, you shouldn't expect them to be miracle workers. I Like To Fly is one heck of a moderator. Even though I don't agree with him on not deleting the trash post of HKG, he is still one of the best, and one of the FEW moderators who actually explain why he does this and that.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29513 posts, RR: 59 Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1431 times:
I have to ask the question....If you don't like it why are you here?
Seriously though. I do remember when Johan put up the Non-aviation forum back in 98 or 99 (Sorry can't remember, Johan help!!!) and the purpose at that time was to keep worthless posts from cluttering up the General Aviation forum. And it has been very successful at doing that.
I fear that we may have the same problems that we used to have in the other forums if this one is elimated. Which is the same problem that a lot of people are complaining about this one. To many worthless posts.
I don't know if there is such a thing as a worthless post, I throw that in the same catagory as that old saying about there being no stupid questions.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
Rapo From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 395 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1391 times:
I'll agree with Eal401 on this one. I'll never understand why people get so worked up about an argument that they aren't involved in, however heated. If you don't like it, don't read it. People are just too easily offended & then want take away other people's freedom to enjoy this forum. Sure, I've seen plenty of flaming posts that I didn't like. Do you know what I did? I used the handy little "BACK" button & moved on to another post without a second thought. Sheeesh everybody, get over it.
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21346 posts, RR: 54 Reply 7, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1372 times:
Open forums constantly go up and down in both quality and quantity. Even moderation doesn´t help all that much here.
By far the best thing that can happen to a forum is a dedicated and civilized community that can more or less solve its own problems. Moderation may help limiting the worst excesses; But basically, it´s up to all of us, not foremost to Johan or the moderators to keep this a place worth returning to.
Johan and his team deserve our thanks; But they can´t solve our problems.
(Not that all my posts would be the perfect example; But I´ll keep on trying... )
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1346 times:
If something bothers you, don't read it. When you disagree with some person or program on TV, I suppose you demand that the whole broadcaster be shut down?
Why do you think the rest of us shouldn't be allowed to decide for ourselves what we want to argue about, and how we want to argue? Also, the non-av forum keeps a lot of the heat out of the other forums, so if you don't want heat, don't come in.
There are many, in fact most, posts that are boring or sometimes offensive to me, my solution is: don't read them.
How do people arguing or calling each other names affect you?
Your attitude is, "Not only do I disagree with what you say, I'm going to take away your right to say it."
SEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1233 times:
Don't like it? Don't use it!... Is ANYONE capable of making their own minds up? No-one forces you onto this forum!!!
EAL, I want you to go back and point out where I said that I "don't like" non-aviation. Yep, do it now. And for the record, it's over-emotional outbursts like your's that only coerce more bullying and flame-fests. You make it seem all too easy to bait you.
I have to ask the question....If you don't like it why are you here?
And I have to ask YOU a question: Where in my post did I mention that I "don't like" it? Go back over my post with EAL and re-read it carefully this time.
RogueTrader I'm not even gonna bother copying and pasting your whole thing. Just be advised that you and the rest have missed my point dearly...
Whether I "don't like" anyone's thread or post is totally & COMPLETELY besides the point. (And for the record, I NEVER read topics that don't interest me. And if I DO read a topic that turns out to be trash, I don't respond.)
You see, this is less about me and more about the Administrator's likelihood to do something drastic with this site because a lot of you simply do not know how to behave yourselves. I'd rather have Johan impose a temporary suspension of this forum than a COMPLETE SHUTDOWN, wouldn't you? He already has implied, in some previous thread, that all of these flames, silly/childish posts, and "unappreciative" threads are wearing him thin. Can't blame him if I were in his shoes.
So, don't pop an attitude with me because you feel I "don't like" this forum. I like it a lot. And if everyone else does, they'd be wise to observe Johan's rules and conduct of behavior. Do you not agree?
Apparently, a lot of people are still flaming each other and are unable to disagree without the insults. So, sorry kids, I still stand by my original above suggestion to Johan...
SEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4 Reply 14, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1206 times:
Roggie, I had no idea you're that thick. Really. None at all.
You call it a 'probelm child' forum filled with too many 'complainers' and 'flamers'... So, if we don't 'behave' ourselves, as you say it, who is hurt again? How does this affect you or anyone else?
How does it affect me or anyone else??? ...Well, for starters, Johan could easily just terminate most of this site. The way things are going, all it has to take is JUST ONE MORE FLAME THREAD for him to just say "screw it." Just ONE more flame thread on a bad day. That's is all could take.
So it could "affect" me, you, and "anyone else", if it's not here anymore because IT WOULDN'T BE HERE FOR US TO USE. You know?
(Haven't you, praytell, noticed his warning at the top of the Non-Aviation page? Do you notice that it DOESN'T appear in any of the other forums????)
So, Roggie, go ahead and flame away. Insult everyone you can in the forum. I love a good flamefest. I absolutely thrive on 'em. Seriously I do.
But if you guys keep doing a good job of pissing Johan off, I predict we'll no longer even have a forum to flame each other on.
Gosh, is all of this too hard for you to understand or somethin'?
RogueTrader From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1192 times:
Were you known as a tattle tale in school? Did you run to your parents or teachers everytime you thought something was unfair? Do you report your coworkers for minor rules violations?
I just don't believe you when you say you're just worried about the whole site being shut down. It seems to me you're just worried about things you don't like. Or, you're trying to kiss up to Johan or the moderators...you no doubt would love to be a moderator.
I think Johan is capable of running the site without your help, and I don't think any one of a sound mind would just yank the plug all of the sudden, like you say he might do.
Also, I think we'd get plenty of warning before anything drastic might happen.
I think you just want a site that's more to your standards and less offensive to your sensibilities. I furthermore think you wish you had more power on the forums and probably spend a lot of time telling Johan how it should be run.
While you might imagine that the 'flamebaits' are a hassle to annoying, I imagine that he gets many more emails from people like you whining about something they don't like. Leave him alone.
Blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5455 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (11 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
I was here BEFORE the non-av forum was introduced. I remember a lot of irrelevent things were said in the civil-av forum. Some had nothing to do with aviation at all and I remember a bunch of people pushed for this forum to be opened. I am glad this forum was introduced as it actually gives us people who don't live aviation 24/7 a place to cool off.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...