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Only 12 Countries Walked Out On Ahmadinejad  
User currently offlineCometII From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 302 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Out of what, 200?

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...ev00-1225779132520?from=public_rss

"Delegations from Argentina, Australia, Britain, Costa Rica, Denmark, France, Germany, Hungary, Italy, New Zealand and the United States left the room as Mr Ahmadinejad began to rail against Israel, a European source said.

Israel had already called for a boycott of the speech and was not present when the Iranian leader began his address. Canada had already said it would heed the boycott call.

In his address, Mr Ahmadinejad again took aim at Israel without mentioning the country or Jews by name, referring only to the "Zionist regime".


I guess Mr. Mahmoud has yet to speak clearly on what he really believes. Maybe next time more countries will walkout on a man that has no quarrels in killing the Iranian people, threatens Jews with extermination, and kills westerners in their own countries through terrorism.

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2471 times:



Quoting CometII (Thread starter):


I guess Mr. Mahmoud has yet to speak clearly on what he really believes. Maybe next time more countries will walkout on a man that has no quarrels in killing the Iranian people, threatens Jews with extermination, and kills westerners in their own countries through terrorism.

You know, it's amazing. It's a country of intellectuals who have written some of the greatest philosophy in all of humankind. It's a country of engineers who can keep 747-200's in mint condition. It's a country of artists whose works are among the most awesome in the world. I know many Persians, both Iranians and others and they always amaze me. They are the most beautiful people, physically and mentally, that I have ever met.

Why can't they get a decent government? If they can pull so much together, why can't they pull together a revolution?


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Well I would walk out on someone too if they became "President" by fraudulent means.


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User currently offlineSpringbok747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

More proof that the UN is a big joke. And these rants by Ahmedjihad is really getting tiresome. What an idiot, along with Qadaffi, we got a real nice show today.


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Good job no one walked out. that would look a bit childish in an adult audience.

You have to listen first, then think and then respond. Walking out is not an acceptable method of showing disgust, especially in front of other nations.

Everyone is allowed to say what they want to say.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2411 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 4):

You have to listen first, then think and then respond. Walking out is not an acceptable method of showing disgust, especially in front of other nations.

Sorry I disagree since the election in Iran was a fraud and Ahamdinejad wasn't fairly elected.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2381 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 4):
Good job no one walked out.

There were a number of delegates that walked out or did not show up.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 4):
You have to listen first, then think and then respond. Walking out is not an acceptable method of showing disgust, especially in front of other nations.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Walking out is sending the message that we will not sit by and allow Ahmadinejad to propagate hatred and prejudice. The UN was created as a means of defense against genocide, not to allow a nation to deny or justify it.



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User currently offlineSebolino From France, joined May 2001, 3681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Unfortunately, walking away doesn't help much. It would perhaps be interesting that some countries answer to him. But honestly, what is the purpose of such speeches ? It will convince nobody which is not already convinced.

User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2368 times:



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 5):
Sorry I disagree since the election in Iran was a fraud and Ahamdinejad wasn't fairly elected.

Is there evidence to support this or are we relying on newspaper reports?

My concern is with correct avenues of diplomacy in an adult environment.


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2359 times:



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 5):
Sorry I disagree since the election in Iran was a fraud and Ahamdinejad wasn't fairly elected.

By that standard those delegations would have to walk out regularly. The majority of the countries in the UN have leaders who weren't elected according to the lowest democratic standards.

pelican


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2357 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):

Why can't they get a decent government? If they can pull so much together, why can't they pull together a revolution?

They did. Three times. Unfortunately, the West was no help.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 5):

Sorry I disagree since the election in Iran was a fraud and Ahamdinejad wasn't fairly elected.

Should people have walked out of every US delegation speech from 2001-2004?



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2349 times:
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There's no point in pretending that the guy doesn't exist. Whether or not he came to power legitimately, whether or not you agree with what the guy says, he is the President of Iran. I think we've already established that shunning governments doesn't actually do anything except give them ammo. Cutting people off really doesn't help.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2344 times:



Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
I think we've already established that shunning governments doesn't actually do anything except give them ammo. Cutting people off really doesn't help.

Exactly. This is what has kept that regime in power for 30 years.



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2331 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
There's no point in pretending that the guy doesn't exist.

I think President Obama addressed him, and Iran, pretty clearly. Prime Minister Harper also has said a few words about the boycott:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BZbkzcgn0o&feature=related

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 11):
Cutting people off really doesn't help.

Nobody is cutting Iran off, though the UN has an obligation to deny the legitimacy of statements made by members who deny or justify genocide.

[Edited 2009-09-25 02:02:52]


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User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1240 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

The problem with Iran is that the only democratically and non theocratic pm they have had, the west, the Brits and the Americans to be exact, made sure to get rid of through a military coup.

Instead electing to set up a regime headed by the Shah, a very corrupt regime that quickly made sure that the British and American oilcompanies gained control over most of Irans oil. Many Iranians remember this.
So Bush Jr wasn't the first going for the oil of the Middle East, many has gone before him...

I actually doubt the Iranians are to keen on further western "help".
China, Russia or another country deemed less partial by the Iranians might be able to assist and broker some form of relationship between Iran and the western world hopefully.
Why Ahmedinejad is constantly threatening and provoking I don't understand. His fixation with Israel seems almost manic and although I am sure he speaks to a very receptive audience in the Middle East I really wonder what he think he can gain from pursuing a collision course with the west.
Getting Iran bombed in the end and what use is that?
Propaganda victory in the Middle East perhaps.

Whether the present president won fair or not is impossible for us to know. But no matter who won, we should remember that the other candidate and his allies ruled Iran during the late 1990:ies and early 2000.
Its not like we are choosing between two very different candidates here. One is conservative, he apparently lost, and the other is ultra conservative, he won.

We should also remember that bush for instance called Iran under the loosing group for "axis of evil".
So despite us all screaming for the conservatives this time, it might be good to remember that we had the chance to work with them 8 years ago.
We weren't interested.

Now our disinterest probably helped Mr Ahmedinejad win his first election, not the first nor the last mistake committed in the Middle East during the yearly part of this century...



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
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Quoting TheCol (Reply 13):
Nobody is cutting Iran off


Long years of sanctions suggest otherwise.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 13):
though the UN has an obligation to deny the legitimacy of statements made by members who deny or justify genocide.

Yes, but that is not achieved through boycotts and walking out.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2291 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 4):
You have to listen first, then think and then respond. Walking out is not an acceptable method of showing disgust, especially in front of other nations.

Everyone is allowed to say what they want to say.

I fully agree.

For one I do not believe what the MSM in the US and the EU are telling about the Iranian elections.

Ghadafy and Mr A. are allowed to deliver speeches at the UN just as much as any other heads of State.

Quote Mr A. at the UN
"It is not acceptable that some who are several thousands of kilometers away from the Middle East would send their troops for military intervention and for spreading war, bloodshed, aggression, terror and intimidation in the whole region while blaming the protests of nations in the region," he said. "The bombing in Afghanistan and Palestine have never stopped."

"It is not acceptable that the United Nations and the Security Council, whose decisions must represent all nations and governments by the application of the most democratic methods in their decision making processes, be dominated by a few opinions should be the determining factors, the continuation of the present situation is impossible, and fundamental changes seem to be unavoidable," he said.

It is pretty shameful when the United States delegation walks out during the speech.
Americans should have their UN representatives fired.

And also shows you how disrespectful all these countries are that walk out without at least hearing the man!!!

If this was a work meeting and we walked out, we would be FIRED!!!



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1651 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2246 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):

You're completely right. Although I don't exactly approve of Ahmedinijad's stance on Israel, he has made some valid points that get lost in the shuffle, I suppose. The tragedy is, he makes some valid criticisms (even if they're hypocritical) but then goes on to bring the Holocaust into the whole thing, reducing his credibility.
I think that we would all do well to get off our PC high horses and listen before judging.


User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7072 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2192 times:



Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
If this was a work meeting and we walked out, we would be FIRED!!!

And you would also be fired for saying some of the things he said you may not even be allowed to finish before security threw you out, so its half of one half of the other, same difference.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2189 times:

Quoting Par13del (Reply 18):
And you would also be fired for saying some of the things he said


Like what for example?

I am going to facilitate your task by providing you with a full transcript of the Iranian President's speech. I just want exerpts from his UN speech, nothing else.

http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.c...t-the-un-general-assembly-9-23-09/

[Edited 2009-09-25 06:45:07]


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2137 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 2):
Well I would walk out on someone too if they became "President" by fraudulent means.

So you would have walked out on George Bush?



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2113 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 8):

Is there evidence to support this or are we relying on newspaper reports?

Newspaper reports are better than most other sources coming from Iran I'd say.

Quoting Pelican (Reply 9):

By that standard those delegations would have to walk out regularly. The majority of the countries in the UN have leaders who weren't elected according to the lowest democratic standards.

I know. That's why a delegation consisting only of countries where true democracy exists should be created I think.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
Should people have walked out of every US delegation speech from 2001-2004?

Do you believe they should?


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2096 times:
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Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 21):
Quoting Pelican (Reply 9):

By that standard those delegations would have to walk out regularly. The majority of the countries in the UN have leaders who weren't elected according to the lowest democratic standards.

I know. That's why a delegation consisting only of countries where true democracy exists should be created I think.

So let me get this straight - you advocate excluding those countries who by definition tend to have the most serious problems from world fora? That doesn't sound like a partiularly convincing recipe for world progress, which is basically the UN's stated reason for existence. The fact that many countries have governments who came to power through non-democratic means indicates that they require greater engagement to resolve their problems - not less.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2096 times:



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 21):
That's why a delegation consisting only of countries where true democracy exists should be created I think.

When you think about it, aren't all countries really democracies? If the people didn't like the leader or what was happening they would revolt.

These leaders do not operate in isolation. There are always other competing families ready and willing to take their place. There are traitors waiting in the army, police, civil service both inside and outside the country.

The status quo enforced must be acceptable to the majority or else these leaders would find their position untenable. There is no easy ride in this world.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (4 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2085 times:
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Quoting Babybus (Reply 23):
When you think about it, aren't all countries really democracies? If the people didn't like the leader or what was happening they would revolt.

It's not really that simple. As long as influence and power is concentrated in the correct hands then the larger population can be broadly ignored. Take care of the right sections of society to ensure effective repression, keep people scared enough with harsh and summary justice, embellished with a good measure of extra-judiciary violence, and there you have it - a population too frightened to do anything except obey.



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25 AirPacific747 : I am not saying the UN should not exist. I'm saying there should be created another delegation of countries with democracy along the UN. Try saying t
26 RussianJet : A two-tier system of international relations might seem a nice idea on the face of it, but is basically flawed. It would only increase alienation and
27 DocLightning : The United States wouldn't like that. Our electoral system is somewhat less reliable than those of a few other countries.
28 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Perhaps, but the UN as it is now as flawed as well. I don't see the point of a guy like Ahmadinejad allowed to make a speech at the UN, when he's mad
29 TravelExec : Close to the bone, but pertinent... on that basis, the 50% of Americans that believe that GWB did no actually win the 2000 election would expect fore
30 Par13del : Ah in your work place example you are being specific to this particular speech, I'll retract my portion of your example and leave well enough alone.
31 RussianJet : It is, but it's the best that we have at the moment. Like it or not, he is the President of a member state. That is the point. Everyone is allowed to
32 DocLightning : To put it mildly...
33 Mortyman : Walking out, putting ones heads in the sand, thinking that it solves problems, is childish and is of no help. Instead, the countries delegates should
34 Slider : Flawed? It’s flat-out broken. Non-functional. A den of terrorists, thieves and rogue states that get more face time, speaking time and thusly, medi
35 RussianJet : The UN is only ever going to be as good as people make it. Let's be honest - many countries have not done their best by the UN but then go out of the
36 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Well that is exactly the point with a different group of nations with democracies.    I think the idea behind the UN is good, so I think it should
37 N104UA : Everyone is allowed their say but countries that walk out are showing that they will not support this hate. Well when there were more votes for Ahamd
38 Slider : It has nothing to do with wanting it both ways. I ask you: what is the purpose of the UN? If you can answer that for me cogently, I’ll buy the firs
39 RussianJet : Like Dag Hammarskjold? Kurt Waldheim? I never thought of Sweden or Austria as totaliarian, non-western states. How about the present SG - Ban Ki Moon
40 Slider : Dag Hammarsskjold was a Swedish socialist. Waldheim a former Nazi for crissakes. Trygve Lie was a Norwegian socialist, U Thant was a Marxist from Bur
41 AirPacific747 : I agree. I think what has the biggest impact on world peace and understanding between cultures are websites like facebook and youtube. Websites like
42 GDB : The Iranian elite maintain power through terror, seeing those 'militia' at work a few months ago showed that. Recruited young, uneducated and ignorant
43 OA412 : You initially claim that none have come from Western nations then you go on and name 3 Secretaries general from 3 different Western nations. Seriousl
44 RussianJet : Seriously? Come on. You said totalitarians and not from western countries - clearly not true. Not really. Talk is essential to begin resolving proble
45 PPVRA : Walking out flies in the face of why the UN was set up to begin with. It's absolutely shameful and childish behavior of the countries that walked out
46 AirPacific747 : I disagree as stated above. What I find childish is taking advantage of an opportunity to talk at the UN to spread nothing but hatred.
47 RussianJet : Was his entire speech really 'nothing but hatred'? I don't think so somehow. The guy has, to put it mildly, some extreme views. However, he has more
48 TheCol : The same people crying foul in this this thread would be singing a different tune if it was Israel certain countries were boycotting or walking out on
49 AirPacific747 : Well if not hatred, then a lot of accusations that are just baseless and outright insane. You got that right... Yes, but the outrageous accusations h
50 PPVRA : Hatred is one of the things the UN was created to deal with, particularly those that lead to war. If we are to get to peace, we need to have dialog,
51 Phoenix9 : Instead of walking out, why not deny him the right to speak at the UN meeting? Wouldn't that send a stronger message?
52 Derico : In general principle I agree people should sit down and listen, but this is a special case. People already know what the guy was going to say. With th
53 AirPacific747 : I think Ahmadinejad is the one who needs to make the first step. If he came up with some realistic solutions, I am sure no one would leave, and peopl
54 Us330 : In my rare instance of actually watching cable news, I happened to see Fareed Zakaria (one of the few 'talking heads' who I can actually stand--he is
55 Aaron747 : It's absolutely true - I pointed this out in another thread just last week. As protests regather in Tehran, he goes back to this denial claptrap as a
56 Slider : I acquiesce the point…poor choice of adjectives on my part…many if not a majority, but not all. Good point and thank you for correcting me. Yes,
57 Post contains links Slider : Thank you Mark Steyn! Brilliant piece that nails exactly what I’ve been saying about the UN… http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...1NDBhNGY4MzJjM
58 StasisLAX : Well, a little history might help to answer that question, Doc. The British and the Russians invaded Iran in 1941 during WW2. In 1951 Mohammed Mossad
59 Post contains links Slider : Aha, another indictment and criticism of the UN, from an unlikely source…Tuesday Morning Quarterback (TMQ) on ESPN.com. Damn good point…Unesco is
60 Dreadnought : Sorry, but that is LAME. Yes, what the UK did in the early 50s was wrong, and the US was wrong to allow itself to be dragged in as a participant. Sor
61 Evomutant : I saw this walk out. And the first thing I thought of was petulant children. Compare this childish finger in ears "lalalalala, i cant hear you" attitu
62 L410Turbolet : Responding to Ahmedjihad would be like feeding a troll on an internet forum. Walking out is perfectly acceptable and legitimate way to show disagreem
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