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Rep. Grayson: "gop Are Neanderthals"  
User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Man oh man. After months of name calling from the GOP and no answers, somebody from the dems finally fired back. Rep. Grayson (D) from florida, said the GOP were neanderthals "who think they can dictate policy to America by being stubborn." BTW, I love it. With all this talk of death panels and communist and socialists set on "destroying the constitution", I was waiting for the Dems to respond and even thought it's just a Rep. i'll take it. Here's a video of his appearance on the situation room on CNN


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q_aiQcAt6Q&feature=related

BTW, he also asked the GOP to apologize to america and I think they owe more than an apology. They have insulted America. (Please don't turn this into another arguement/childish thread. Lets at least talk politics like adults.)


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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2743 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

I think Rep. Grayson's comments that Republicans are a bunch of "knuckle-dragging neanderthals" was out of line. I think his use of the word "holocaust" was also out of line. However, I think the demands from Republicans that he apologize in front of congress were also out of line. What Grayson said on CNN does not compare to the breach of decorum displayed when Rep. Wilson yelled "you lie" at the President of the United States in a joint session of congress, interrupting the President's speech.

As to Grayson's point that the Republican health plan seems to be "don't get sick" and if you do "die quickly", I think he's uncomfortably close to the truth. Here's House Minority Whip Eric Cantor and possibly the most inept answer I've ever heard from a politician:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-yyiJpeA4w



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29790 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3260 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
(Please don't turn this into another arguement/childish thread. Lets at least talk politics like adults

I think you blew that out of the water with the almost giddy tone of your posting.

But the simple fact is that Grayson is from a very conservative district and these comments are probably political sucide for him. And I don't think he is aware of that.

I don't think we will have to worry about his loud insane rantings after next November.



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3262 times:



Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 1):
I think Rep. Grayson's comments that Republicans are a bunch of "knuckle-dragging neanderthals" was out of line

I agree that his comments are out of line, but I thought it was out of line when Joe Wilson callled the president a liar in front of 40 million Americans. I thought Sarah Palin was out of line when she proposed the rediculous idea of death panels. I also thought it was out of line when Rep. Franks called Obama, and I quote, "An enemy of humanity." With the exception of Joe Wilson, nobody said any of these people were out of line with their comments and nobody certainly asked for an apology, again, with the exception of Wilson. I think U.S. politics is a prize fight on pay-per-view, but the republicans have time and time again hit below the belt with their comments and this is one of the first public response from a democrat.



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User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

Dear Rep. Grayson,

Correction,

Republicans are neanderthals...and so are Democrats. You are all sub-human filth undeserving of any compassion. You are all liars and criminals. You know know honor, you have no honor. You are loyal only to your party and not to your country or your constituents. The only ones who follow you are blinded sheep who load up on FOX and MSNBC "commentators". May you all rot in hell you miserable pussbags. You deserve no respect, only contempt. You are beneath even the lowliest of the low.

You all owe us an apology, and should BEG for forgiveness.

Signed,
A fed up American public.

Truth hurts. Just deal with it. Your ideologies are all the very reason America has suffered.

 airplane B4e-Forever New Frontiers airplane 


User currently offlineHercTech From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3226 times:



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 4):
Truth hurts. Just deal with it. Your ideologies are all the very reason America has suffered.

 thumbsup 

you could end this thread (and many similar) with this very line. Never truer words have been spoken


User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3219 times:



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 4):

Truth hurts. Just deal with it. Your ideologies are all the very reason America has suffered.

Bravo! That's pretty close to the truth.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3163 times:

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
Man oh man. After months of name calling from the GOP and no answers, somebody from the dems finally fired back. Rep. Grayson (D) from florida, said the GOP were neanderthals "who think they can dictate policy to America by being stubborn." BTW, I love it. With all this talk of death panels and communist and socialists set on "destroying the constitution", I was waiting for the Dems to respond and even thought it's just a Rep. i'll take it.

I would not say the Dems have not given any answers. What about Pelosi's comments about people carrying swashisicers? What about Barnie Frank's comments? There are hundreds of comments from both sides, but in my opinion, the Dems have stooped to new lows.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
BTW, he also asked the GOP to apologize to america and I think they owe more than an apology. They have insulted America.

When does America get an apology from the Dems for bankrupting the country and trying to turn us int scoialism? They have insulted America.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
(Please don't turn this into another arguement/childish thread. Lets at least talk politics like adults.)

Then why start out with childish comments?

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 1):
I think his use of the word "holocaust" was also out of line.

It was. The holocaust killed more than 6M people just because of their religion. The GOP did that too?

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 1):
I think the demands from Republicans that he apologize in front of congress were also out of line.

It was.

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 1):
As to Grayson's point that the Republican health plan seems to be "don't get sick" and if you do "die quickly", I think he's uncomfortably close to the truth.

Can he back that up? NO he cannot. He and his fellow Dems have not allowed any Repub inputs (amendments) into any of the various health bills. It is far from any truth. You can always be sure of a lie if a Dem is saying something.

Quoting HercTech (Reply 5):
Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 4):
Truth hurts. Just deal with it. Your ideologies are all the very reason America has suffered.



you could end this thread (and many similar) with this very line. Never truer words have been spoken



Quoting Cpd (Reply 6):
Bravo! That's pretty close to the truth.

That is the truth.

I can't wait for Grayson to join the unemployed in November 2010.

[Edited 2009-10-02 04:40:03]

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6781 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3124 times:



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 4):
Dear Rep. Grayson,

Correction,

Republicans are neanderthals...and so are Democrats. You are all sub-human filth undeserving of any compassion. You are all liars and criminals. You know know honor, you have no honor. You are loyal only to your party and not to your country or your constituents. The only ones who follow you are blinded sheep who load up on FOX and MSNBC "commentators". May you all rot in hell you miserable pussbags. You deserve no respect, only contempt. You are beneath even the lowliest of the low.

You all owe us an apology, and should BEG for forgiveness.

Signed,
A fed up American public.

Truth hurts. Just deal with it. Your ideologies are all the very reason America has suffered.

/stands and applauds, slow clap

Shit yeah. Lock up the thread now, because no one’s gonna top that one.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3057 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
When does America get an apology from the Dems for bankrupting the country and trying to turn us int scoialism? They have insulted America.

When W came into office President Clinton had left the nation with a surplus and the debt was decreasing.

Who bankrupt the nation?
Bush was in office for 8 years and what was the most significant domestic program implemented?

People think the stimulus only happened under Obama.
The first stimulus was in the fall of 2008 under Bush. The 2nd was proposed by the Bush administration and picked up by the Obama administration.
Bailout of the banking system was under Bush.
Bailout of the car industry was proposed under Bush and inacted under Obama.

If a republican proposes it...its okay
If a democrat proposes it...its socialism.

Obama has been in for 9 months. That is less than 1/4 of a term.

Quoting Cpd (Reply 6):
The holocaust killed more than 6M people just because of their religion. The GOP did that too?

Did someone not read the quote? He did not accuse the GOP of atrocities in WWII. He was referring to the fact that 40,000 Americans die every year due to a lack of health insurance and access to affordable health care. He considered this a holocaust. The use of an "a" versus "the" makes a big difference.

That said most people GOP and DEM have said that the use of the word was wrong.

Also not all GOP are Neanderthals but certainly there seems to be too many lacking of thought and the ability to work without the core ideals set by our founding fathers. This is evident in the tactics of ...
1) Undermining the democratic system by claiming that Obama was not lawfully elected
2) Supporting the birthers even though evidence is solid that he was born in America.
3) Calling for open overthrow of the US government instead of using the system set up 233 years ago.
4) Scaring people by using terms most americans actually don't understand. "Socialism"...most people do not understand that this is NOT and economic nor political system but a sub-system for taking care of people in a country. Japan is a free market, democracy with a socialist sub-system. They are the 2nd richest nation in the world. Most Americans do not understand how other countries work nor what those people have.
5) Claiming "death panels" and other things for the simple reason of derailing the system, creating fear and undermining the truth.

The GOP doesn't like that they lost the last Presidential election. They don't like that they lost congress. So what do they do...undermine the system, insult the system, try to hoodwink the masses by spreading lies and embracing the most extreme elements of their party. This is a very dangerous road for America and the GOP. We hate extremists from other countries but embrace them in the US. Extremism either right or left is dangerous and is un-American. Our founding fathers built this nation on compromise, working together and developing ideas for the greater good of the nation.

Was Grayson wrong? As far as I can tell....no. 40,000 Americans die every year due to a lack of affordable health care. The GOP plan is more private, which means don't get sick and don't have preconditions. No GOP congress person is against cutting their own public health care. But certainly are against it for everyone else.

"A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right."
-Thomas Paine

"Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance."
- Will Durant



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User currently offlineCpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Woah!

I think someone incorrectly quoted me. I said nothing about the holocaust!

I will never comment on that topic, ever.


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3024 times:



Quoting Boeing4ever (Reply 4):
Truth hurts. Just deal with it. Your ideologies are all the very reason America has suffered.

From both sides, from both sides, truth is what we need. The distortion of facts is beyond belief in politics today. I would hope that anyone with common sense would not swallow the line of either party without extreme skepticism. Unfortunatly, that is not the case in many instances on here.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3007 times:



Quoting Cpd (Reply 10):
I think someone incorrectly quoted me. I said nothing about the holocaust!

I will never comment on that topic, ever.

I don't know why it quoted you when I selected the writer of the comment.
Sorry Cpd. I didn't me to misquote you.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
The holocaust killed more than 6M people just because of their religion. The GOP did that too?

Alan Grayson said the following
"I apologize to the dead and their families that we haven't voted sooner to end this holocaust in America,"



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User currently offlineCzbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2989 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
I can't wait for Grayson to join the unemployed in November 2010.

He said he has been in the House for only 8 months. Are there really 2 year terms in the HR?


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29790 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2986 times:



Quoting Czbbflier (Reply 13):
Are there really 2 year terms in the HR?

Yup 2 years in the House and 6 in the Senate.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
President Clinton had left the nation with a surplus

Incorrect, He was just projecting one through questionable accouning. There never was actually a surplus.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that Grayson either needs to be put on something or have the dosage cut. Not sure which yet



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2983 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
Which has nothing to do with the fact that Grayson either needs to be put on something or have the dosage cut. Not sure which yet

I look at it as one good insult, deserves another, tit for tat, all those things done so well in politics. One side started it and now it continues.



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User currently offlineDXing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2981 times:



Quoting Centrair (Reply 9):
When W came into office President Clinton had left the nation with a surplus and the debt was decreasing

That is simply untrue and no amount of book keeping will ever make it so. As long as SS taxes are shunted into the general fund with IOU's given to SS then there is no surplus and an unfunded liability continues to build.


User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Not surprisingly Grayson's electoral district has recently been placed in the "toss up" category from "lean Democrat" for 2010. Enjoy your one term in office, congressman.

I actually like watching these districts for their implosion value. They decided they didn't like Bush, so they went with the DNC's candidate of choice for their congressional seat. Turns out the DNC's guy, a Harvard-trained New York lawyer, isn't quite what they thought he would be. Shocker.



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 8842 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2970 times:



Quoting Jcs17 (Reply 17):
actually like watching these districts for their implosion value. They decided they didn't like Bush, so they went with the DNC's candidate of choice for their congressional seat. Turns out the DNC's guy, a Harvard-trained New York lawyer, isn't quite what they thought he would be. Shocker.

I fail to see how that is a shocker, they are all liars and thieves, it is the nature of the beast. does anyone think a Republican will be different? Throw them out on a regular basis, that will improve the system. It is not rocket science.



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User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2743 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2953 times:



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 1):
As to Grayson's point that the Republican health plan seems to be "don't get sick" and if you do "die quickly", I think he's uncomfortably close to the truth.

Can he back that up? NO he cannot. He and his fellow Dems have not allowed any Repub inputs (amendments) into any of the various health bills. It is far from any truth. You can always be sure of a lie if a Dem is saying something.

Did you watch Rep. Cantor's comments at his healthcare town hall meeting?

Here's the summary of Cantor's suggestion for someone that has cancer and lost their health insurance due to losing a job:

1. Apply for government programs.

2. If you don't qualify, bankrupt yourself and your family.

3. If you are still sick, beg for charity.

4. If that doesn't work, die.

I guess Rep. Grayson forgot about the charity part of Cantor's health plan, so he figured if you are going to die, you might as well do it before bankrupting your family.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2942 times:



Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
I think you blew that out of the water with the almost giddy tone of your posting.

Double  checkmark 

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 3):
I agree that his comments are out of line



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
BTW, I love it

Really? Didn't seem that you thought it was out of line. Infact, you loved it.

Quoting FuturePilot16 (Thread starter):
I think they owe more than an apology

What about all the Dems that have continued in the wreckless spending? Catch my word continue there so you know I am not just saying its you'r liberal buddies. The Dems owe a huge appology for bailing out wreckless spending and lending, miss-management (hello! free enterprise not free government bailout cash!), and a health care we can not afford. What pisses me off more than anything is that my tax dollars will help fun abortions. I am heated!



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2938 times:



Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
The Dems owe a huge appology for bailing out wreckless spending and

Well, if that's the case then the republicans owe an even bigger apology for not regulating the "wreckless spending". Don't make it seem as though this economic issue started yesterday, and they Dems certainly didn't start it. And the fact is I did like what he said because it's about time, but obviously it's out of line and childish, but I agree with his statement, no matter how much out of line it is.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2937 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 21):

Re-read my post and you will see it all started out with the word "continued". Don't leave out important things.

By the way, the Republicans really can't do anything right now because of a total Democrat controlled Senate and House. Enjoy until 2010.

QXatFAT
Don't Tread On Me



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User currently offlineFuturePilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2932 times:



Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 22):
By the way, the Republicans really can't do anything right now because of a total Democrat controlled Senate and House. Enjoy until 2010.


Again? What's in 2010? Anyway, you seem to not realize that the democrats have been pushing to be bi-partisan for the last 11 months now, and the republicans continue this stubborn childish routine of not wanting to get along with the democrats. It's kinda like how you see a mother and a child in walmart, the mother offers the child a certain candy, but the child doesn't want that one, so they throw themselves on floor and throw a temper tantrum. Then, if we do pass policies wthout their votes they'll say "Well, the Dems have all the votes and we have none, it's like a dictatorship where we have no say  cry  . They do things without asking our opinions, Nazi communist socialist fascist regime Obama administration." and so on and so forth.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (4 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2926 times:



Quoting FuturePilot16 (Reply 23):

Politics is something that should be studied in my honest opinion for ya buddy. Can you say liberally brainwashed?

Goodnight and adios with this topic

QXatFAT
Don't Tread On Me



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25 FuturePilot16 : Not in the least bit, I have a serious distaste for politics.
26 KC135TopBoom : What surplus? That "surplus" was all done with fuzzy math, smoke amd mirrors, and tricky accounting. Then, after that, you may recall a "little incid
27 DocLightning : You mean, someone from the DNC swung at a pitch in the dirt? Yeah, that's something to be proud of. I don't care what side you're on. Be polite and p
28 Comorin : Mods please note - this thread is insulting to Neanderthals.
29 DocLightning : Yeah, we don't like this one bit!
30 Comorin : Ha ha! People forget us Neanderthals can be a bit sensitive
31 KPDX : LMAO! /thread
32 JBirdAV8r : Come on, seriously. The Dems aren't getting anything done because of Republican whining? You seem to forget that there's They could railroad this thr
33 Seb146 : This is the basic difference between Dems and Republicans that the right does not understand: The Democrats want to come to a consensus within the pa
34 Yellowstone : Here's the citation - unfortunately, you'll probably have to have a subscription to access the online journal. Andrew P. Wilper, Steffie Woolhandler,
35 FuturePilot16 : Oh ok I get it. So when the rpublicans say something, they're right on the ball. But when a demcrat says it, they're not being polit or proffesional.
36 Heavymx1 : I can only imagine how differnt this thread would be if this comment came from the GOP towards the dems. Would the dems call it a racist statement if
37 Jetmatt777 : No, they want a job after November 2010 - that is why nothing is moving. They are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. They want this sociali
38 L-188 : You don't have to imagine it, just do a websearch for Joe Wilson.
39 FuturePilot16 : Man what are you talking about? First off, new polls show that a majority of americans want the public option. Second, why should the Democrats liste
40 Jetmatt777 : Because your plan involves fundamentally changing the system - and costs trillions. Our proposals cost little to nothing, and don't fundamentally cha
41 Post contains links QXatFAT : Good words Doc but I guess once you put on a suit and head to the capital, all "politeness" is left at home. Sad. Really? I think the Dems haven't pa
42 FuturePilot16 : Well why didn't the GOP change it the last 8 YEARS in office instead of spending their time creating enimies all over the world? Why didn't they prop
43 Seb146 : The more I think about it, the worse that option sounds. Think about it: that option does nothing for the millions that are working but not insured r
44 Pyrex : How would enacting tort reform to reduce the cost of healthcare only benefit the insurance companies? How exactly would eliminating state boundaries
45 Alias1024 : Why are all my credit cards issued from either Delaware or South Dakota? It's done because those states don't cap the interest rate, allowing credit
46 Zone1 : And that socialist sub-system is acting as a huge anchor on Japan's economy, which has been in recession or near recession for 20 years now. You migh
47 Pyrex : As they shouldn't. If you don't want high interest rates you have a good choice, don't take the cards. Oh, and the reality is that state "regulation"
48 Alias1024 : Do you really think the GOP is interested in increasing federal regulations and oversight for the health insurance industry? They've been fighting to
49 DocLightning : Show me a single post anywhere on A.net where I have defended Republican behavior. I think the Republican party is the most god-awful, messed-up orga
50 Mir : Yeah, because that's entirely not socialist. It's a nice idea, but I have little confidence it would happen. If the GOP had their way, they'd get the
51 Seb146 : That's right. It was the French, English, Japanese, and Australians who wanted the United States wiped off the map under Clinton. Sheesh.... I would
52 Pyrex : Please, enlighten us. How would promoting competition between insurance companies would make rates go up, exactly? Or that is just your pathological
53 Jetmatt777 : How? If you eliminate the state lines rule, you will have the option to buy from every insurance provider in the country, versus maybe a handful in y
54 National757 : Do you actually read/understand what you write? Just curious because adults don't call people they don't agree with 'neanderthals' or shout 'You Lie"
55 KC135TopBoom : Do you have a link, and why do I need to sign up and get the BS e-mails filling my inbox. The number does not exsist, if it did, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NBC
56 Post contains links Yellowstone : You'd need to sign up because research journals don't publish their material for free. Unless you have a subscription, or can head to a local univers
57 FuturePilot16 : Dude, that's a wonderful excuse. I love it. I wonder why we have the war on terrorism anyway? Oh yeah, to get the terrorists, most noteably Bin Laden
58 NorthstarBoy : Maybe we can just lay out what the GOP doesn't like about the current healthcare reform proposals: -Caps on how much the consumer has to pay out of hi
59 KC135TopBoom : You know where he is? Better tell the Obama Administration because they want to get him just as much as Bush did. How many terrorists attacks have be
60 NorthstarBoy : -the free market is the exchange of products and services for payment. -I think the cost has been made clear, i think it's also well known that two t
61 FuturePilot16 : I'm not in the military, and if I do sound naive here, I mean to. But I don't think in the last 8 years we have done enough to catch Bin Laden. But t
62 Seb146 : Uhhhh.... huh? I have nothing against competition. But, I see it this way: The insurance and pharmacutical companies have been making money hand over
63 QXatFAT : I guess my link wasn't good enough for you? You haven't commented. I guess it answered the questions. Wow...thats what I think of the Democrats. Funk
64 Pyrex : You are either a) so pathologically averse to the concept of competition (which stands against everything you believe in) to actually think that open
65 JakeOrion : To his defense, I also feel that way about the GOP. On one hand, the Democrats are ruining the country by bankrupting it; on the other hand, the GOP
66 Post contains links Yellowstone : Here's a recent one. On page 15: The poll found 65 percent in favor to 26 percent against. This is somewhat better than other polls on the issue, pro
67 Baroque : The feigned outrage at the term used seems to be a method of avoiding discussing that a substantial number of Americans die who might not under a bet
68 KC135TopBoom : No, the costs are far from clear, or how Congress and Obama plan to pay for it. The tax on the "wealthy" is one possibility, and "wealthy" has not be
69 Seb146 : So, you are telling me to trust corporations? You are telling me that this one *OPINION* I have is an outright lie? You are telling me I *MUST* belie
70 FlyDeltaJets87 : Incorrect. Please get your facts straight, as most conservatives were against the government bailouts. A Republican controlled Congress passed the bu
71 KC135TopBoom : We can and have documented the tragic deaths on the roads of the US, gun accidents, and even deaths caused by improper medical care, among the many t
72 Pyrex : Ok, give me ONE example (just one) where increased competition has made access to any good or service more expensive to the consumer and you may be e
73 QXatFAT : Thank you for that report Yellowstone but the numbers seem to actually go against the side that the "conservatives" are on. The example you gave is s
74 Post contains links Baroque : Well apparently not according to your theory. As I understand your thesis it is that whatever Wilson said would, due to his being a politician, be a
75 Pyrex : So the billions upon billions of dollars that the farming industry receives year upon year upon year is not enough?
76 Flighty : That's an odd argument. The US does not have a free market for insurance. In any event, what the US does have is FAR more expensive than single payer
77 QXatFAT : You come take a field trip here and see exactly what all of us in the Central Valley are talking about. Then you might understand. But until then, yo
78 KC135TopBoom : Have you ever bought a new car? Why did you decide on this or that model as opposed to a competitor's model? Then vote him out of office next year. N
79 Baroque : Yes, true, that adds to the mystery each day. How the Karzai fiasco was "invented" inserts a bit of eastern exotica into the puzzles. It would be nic
80 Seb146 : In-network vs out-of-network. Even though the first round was proposed by Bush. The first round has always been blamed on the Dems but proposed by Bu
81 Baroque : No, what you need to do is find even a right leaning study that shows the left leaning one is untrue. Otherwise you are like the Emperor found withou
82 WarRI1 : I agree. CNN just reported that the Congressional Budget Office has found that the cost of the Baucus Bill will be an estimated 829 billion dollars o
83 Pyrex : Are you denying that the farming industry worldwide has lived off the government's teat for decades? Why shouldn't some of the other industries get a
84 Seb146 : Corporate health care (Blue Cross and Kaizer to name two) will pay for only so much at their own affiliated, or in-network, hospitals and doctors and
85 Pyrex : I asked because I couldn't quite believe you would come up with such a ridiculous example but, alas, you did. The reason why in-network is cheaper th
86 Seb146 : Wait, wait, wait..... So, if a person living in California that is insured through Keizer goes to, let's say North Carolina and takes ill while visit
87 Pyrex : If there was a national market for health insurance then maybe Kaiser could compete in North Carolina and it would make sense for the doctor to affil
88 Baroque : If Seb is so busy shooting himself in the foot then why has your foot got so many holes in it? I dont have to worry if I fall ill in my home state of
89 QXatFAT : I didnt vote for him in 2008 and wont again. Thats why I put "adios" Actually, a farmer from our district is thinking about putting his name in and r
90 KC135TopBoom : Well, that 5% not covered still comes to some 15M-20M Americans. Also, keep in mind the CBO estimates assume Congress will only spend that tax money
91 Seb146 : I don't understand something: If there is no "national market" for health insurance, why, then is Kaiser offered in Oregon, Washington, and Californi
92 Pyrex : Yes they do. That is why you shouldn't grow water-intensive crops in the middle of the desert. Because, perhaps, they are registered as three differe
93 FlyDeltaJets87 : We already know this. You obviously missed the point. He said when Republicans do it, it's "good" and when Democrats do it, it's "socialism". However
94 Seb146 : There were Democrats against both, too. It is crap that Republican cheerleaders seem to think that since they all think alike, all Democrats must thi
95 Pyrex : They may not have 10 different corporate headquarters but they certainly have regional back-office, regional compliance staff, regional regulatory af
96 KC135TopBoom : That is correct, not all Dems were for the bailout, and not all Dems are for the health care plans. Just like there are "Liberal Republicans", there
97 Seb146 : And abolishing these rules would encourage what? If they would not make money in Delaware, why would the set up shop there if there were no interstat
98 FlyDeltaJets87 : Right after you explain to us why when ALL Democratic cheerleaders can call Republicans "Racist", "Sexist", "Homophobes", "Nazi's", etc that we shoul
99 Pyrex : You really don't have any basic understanding of economics, do you? You seem to be of the Barney Frank school of linear thought - identify one specif
100 Seb146 : First, you are talking about two different issues. The first being: Republican supporters, the outspoken ones such as talk show hosts and tea baggers
101 FlyDeltaJets87 : Well then get rid of the communists, socialists, etc on your side of the spectrum and stop comparing everyone to Nazi's (Because you can just google
102 FuturePilot16 : . Thank you for that, you saved me a worthless response
103 WarRI1 : And so and so on, the wheel keeps turning. Meanwhile the politicians who got us into this mess are still sitting in congress. The "left", the "right"
104 FuturePilot16 : Unfortunately gov't will never be fixed because despite who we elect, we'll never get what we want
105 WarRI1 : True, but they have nothing to fear from us, it seems. What they do fear is no contributions from special interests. They live for power and influenc
106 Post contains links Pyrex : Can't believe I have to give a lecture in System Dynamics in here... here's how the Barney Frank school of linear thought (the one you seem to follow
107 Baroque : You might like to tell us your definition of: A. A communist and B. A socialist. In A are you talking about totalitarian government or an argument th
108 Seb146 : Well, no. Apples and oranges and here's why: The outspoken right (that small group of talking heads who then make their minions bob their heads in ag
109 FuturePilot16 : Scary isn't it? And some guys (certain unmentioned radio hosts) still think that Bush did the right thing in fearmongoring with the muslims. It's jus
110 Post contains images Boeing4ever : Wow. And it continues. Let me state an abolute truth... All Republicans, Democrats, and their supporters are subhuman scum. It is absolutely pointless
111 KC135TopBoom : Did this happen in CT, a blue state? Were those thugs registered Democrats? BTW, after 9/11 some thugs here near DFW murdered an Arab man, thinking h
112 FuturePilot16 : It doesn't matter who did it man. The fact is, the president started hatred towards a social group which was completely uncalled for. Democrats, or r
113 KC135TopBoom : No, you are wrong, my friend. Bush does not hate, nor has advocated hate towards muslims, or any other group. Shortly after 9/11 (it may have been hi
114 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : President Bush's speech to the Joint session of Congress, 9/21/01; http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/20/gen.bush.transcript/
115 Seb146 : What would you have proposed? Have no leader at all?
116 Baroque : Some freedom, tainted elections and rather a lot of bombs - all done up as a package????
117 FlyDeltaJets87 : I like what the US Supreme Court did - "Hey Florida - uphold your own laws!" When were you expecting Bush to leave? Why let the facts get in the way
118 FuturePilot16 : The might as well be, the way they've been treated by the U.S.
119 FlyDeltaJets87 : I notice you didn't cite examples, even when asked. KC-135 did provide examples to prove contrary to your point, and he pointed out that those who ac
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